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Orange Elite [5321]
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Willful retention of national defense information
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:42 AM
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Who believes that DADDY is innocent of this charge, despite the fact that he was caught in possession of such and was asked several times to return it.
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Tiger Titan [48982]
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the people who think that
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covid is fake; refer to masks as "face diapers"; vaccines are a new world order plot against white people; Jan. 6th was a peaceful tourist event; Trump really won bigly in 2020; 9/11 was an inside job; Michele Obama is trans; drag queens want to suck the blood of middle class white people's babies; the moon landing was staged....
yeah, in other words, those people, who make up about 30% of the GOP at this point and think the Dear Leader a/k/a the Orange God King is innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever.
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Oculus Spirit [43175]
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your side is good
Sep 7, 2023, 10:26 AM
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My side is bad
Right?
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: your side is good
Sep 7, 2023, 10:30 AM
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Do you believe DADDY is innocent of the charge listed in the OP?
My side is anti-Trump, so the latter is definitely accurate.
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Tiger Titan [48982]
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he's consulting Qanon and/or FNC
Sep 7, 2023, 10:46 AM
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for his answer
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Tiger Titan [48982]
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I don't have a side.
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Sep 7, 2023, 10:46 AM
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I'm a fiscal conservative supportive of limited government, especially at the national level. I don't worship Trump and don't vote for Bolsheviks.
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Clemson Conqueror [11627]
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As usual, lefties keep proving their ignorance
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As usual, the lefties don’t know what they’re talking about.
Retention of classified materials by a VP or Secretary of State is categorically illegal. Of this, there is no wiggle room, it is cut and dried. Yet, as long as those criminals are Democrats -or- establishment Republicans, then all is forgiven.
Article 2 of the Constitution provides the legal basis for an ex-president to retain classified materials which he had acquired when he was president. Presidential Records Act challenges Article 2, yet the precedent for enforcing the Presidential Records Act is to … not enforce it.
Cut and paste from The Post Millenial - August 11, 2022.
The act was enacted into law in 1978 following the Nixon residence, where he claimed that his secret Oval Office tapes and other personal records were his own personal property.
The Lyndon B. Johnson Library had delayed in releasing the final batch of his secret tapes until 2016. This came 47 years after he left office.
In 2001, then-President George W. Bush issued an executive order that changed the act from guaranteeing public access to the documents to one that blocks it, though Congress overturned parts of the order in 2014, according to Bovard.
Politico reported in 2014 that Obama administration lawyers had repeatedly invoked the Presidential Records Act to "delay the release of thousands of pages of records from President Bill Clinton’s White House."
At the end of Obama’s two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.
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Trump has solid legal ground for defending the retention of records which he obtained while president, on the grounds of Article 2 -&- state decisis (I.e., repeatedly established precedent in which ex-presidents who violated the Presidential Fecords Act) to comfortably defeat this iteration of the DoJ’s politically motivated persecution of Trump.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108816]
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It has always amazed me at the level of corruption we
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:48 AM
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seemingly don't have. I mean we post "gotcha" stories all the time about some politician being bribed with a $20k vacation, or insider trading nets them $50K in stock profits, or whatever else. But if you really think about it, 535 people control over $4 TRILLION dollars, every. single. year. And all it takes is a $20K vacation, or a free stay in some rich dude's summer cottage in Europe, or a free ride on some guy's jet or yacht, or some insider information on a stock, and all of this is SMALL CHANGE compared to the money these "corrupted" people control.
It just seems out of whack.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Where are JoeBi's unredacted emails re China, Russia, Romania, etc.?
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:48 AM
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Tiger Titan [48982]
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he clearly
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fed them to his trans lover whilst feasting on the flesh of trafficked toddlers at Hillary's pizza joint
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Muh 'spiracies... Soooooo predictable. National Archives was
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Sep 7, 2023, 10:00 AM
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the initiator of the T-Rump documents scandal and yet they're protecting JoeBi and denying Congress access to questionable emails, many of which were made under aliases. What's the REAL conspiracy?
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Tiger Titan [48982]
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Re: Muh 'spiracies... Soooooo predictable. National Archives was
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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You seem to have a big thing about pedophilia. Every time.
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Must be a subconscious thing. Waaaay too consistent.
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Clemson Conqueror [11627]
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National Archives protects Obama, guns for DJT
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Sep 12, 2023, 8:11 PM
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What a coincidence. With Trump having left office, suddenly the National Archives makes a national security crisis about Trump’s retention of classified materials (setting a precedent by making, for the first time in the history of presidents who have routinely maintained possession of classier materials after leaving office).
Obama and his current (e.g., 7 years after leaving office) possession of boxes and boxes classified materials, no new high profile requests for Obama to cough them up. Since it’s Obama, all of this is OK.
NY Post - Aug. 15, 2022. There's no sainthood for Obama, National Archives in Trump FBI raid uproar.
Key excerpts (between the xxxxx lines):
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“But the National Archives blocks access to official records at the behest of every former president and his designated officials.”
“Almost all the media coverage of this controversy has ignored or downplayed the dismal failure of the Presidential Records Act to reveal presidents’ records. A Washington Post analysis of the dispute on the 30 million pages conceded, “As with many issues of government transparency and document-sharing, it’s true that this is not great! You often have to wait years for requested documents, and this appears to be no exception.”
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Lefties dream has come true. Non-lefties and establishment ex-presidents enjoy a different standard of justice (barely any justice) while ex-presidents not part of the established political order are subject to a continual barrage of a second type of ‘justice.’
Congratulations, lefties. You’ve succeeded in corrupting our system of justice.
Here’s the link.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/14/theres-no-sainthood-for-obama-national-archives-in-trump-fbi-raid-uproar/
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Where are JoeBi's unredacted emails re China, Russia, Romania, etc.?
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Hall of Famer [8145]
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NAL, but seems like a pretty open and shut case.
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Dude had docs, was informed he needed to hand them over, knew he wasn't suppose to keep them, then went through three stooges levels of shenanigans to try and hold onto them. Is there any part of that people are denying? I have no idea what he'll argue in court, but publicly this seems to be his defense:
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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National Archives has documents requested by Congress and
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Sep 7, 2023, 10:20 AM
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refuses to turn them over. Time to charge them.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: National Archives has documents requested by Congress and
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Tiger Titan [48982]
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they suffer from Vicarious Affluenza***
Sep 7, 2023, 10:32 AM
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Ring of Honor [21675]
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Re: NAL, but seems like a pretty open and shut case.
Sep 14, 2023, 11:07 AM
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That looks like the long and short of it, yup. As a legal defense strategy it would concern me if I was a lawyer representing Trump...I dunno, it just seems sorta unlikely to play well inside a courtroom.
But hey. Whatabout Hunter Biden?
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Paw Master [17321]
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hahahahahhahahahahha
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You are a joke. What about all the information in his head? You gots one of those Men in Black memory erasers?
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: hahahahahhahahahahha
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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T-Rump was slow on returning them. JoeBi NEVER had the
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right to possess them and yet you hear NOTHING about that "investigation"...
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Clemson Conqueror [11627]
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Obama vs Trump 2 different systems of justice
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Since leaving office ~ 7.5 years ago, Obama has had his ~ 30 MM of confidential records in his personal possession. (if they weren’t confidential, then there’s no reason for Obama to not share them via electronic copies with the National Archives for custody.). I know, I know, Obama only has in his possession 30 MM of private-only documents; none pertain to his role as president. Right..
Dang, with that many personal-only documents, his personal time (when did he have time to do any work as president?), personal time must have taken up his entire time as president. 30 MM pages of personal documents … that is one heck of a schedule for setting tee times and having rendezvous with his boyfriends.
FOIA requests for these documents have been spurned by Obama for years; the courts don’t care … since the Democrats had not filed those FOIA requests.
Two tiered system of justice. This will catch up to and burn today’s leftists one day. When that day comes, you lefties will never know what hit you.
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Game Changer [2045]
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I dont. But I also know there are thousands of politicians
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And military personnel and ordinary citizens who willfully retain(ed) national defense information.
And in multiple circumstances I have seen the hard copy burn in a trash can fire, but believe me, there is always another copy of the document(s).
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: I dont. But I also know there are thousands of politicians
Sep 9, 2023, 12:38 AM
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Give us some names of those who did not return documents when asked.
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Game Changer [2045]
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So taking the documents is okay?
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Sep 9, 2023, 12:49 AM
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And why would anyone think that all documents are given back when asked for? Do you think there is only one copy of the document?
There are millions of emails sent every year that are extremely sensitive to say the least.
Do you believe we can keep track of them all?
Do you even know what was sent between your city council and county council today, this week, or this month?
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: So taking the documents is okay?
Sep 9, 2023, 12:56 AM
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Trump is being indicted for not returning documents when he was asked. He in fact intentionally hid these documents. Name some other politicians who have done this.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Like I said before
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I don’t think he unwillingly kept anything. There are many others who willingly kept things too.
BTW I don’t think he hid these documents.
If the archivists knew he had these documents then the archivists obviously had copies of the documents.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Like I said before
Sep 9, 2023, 1:16 PM
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Give us some names of others who have willfully retained documents and refused to return when asked. That's why DADDY is being charged. I'll wait.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Where did I ever say trump kept documents
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Unwillingly?
To answer your last question though, I’ll just mention Hillary Clinton.
Do you believe she was not asked to return any documents? Of course she was, and she said they were deleted.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Where did I ever say trump kept documents
Sep 12, 2023, 6:11 AM
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Link please on the Hillary claim. I'll wait.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Areyouseriouslyunawareofherlawyers
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Deleting emails that were subpoenaed by a house committee in 2016?
That would be the willful retention I am referring to.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Areyouseriouslyunawareofherlawyers
Sep 12, 2023, 2:03 PM
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Emails are government document? Please provide a link proving that Hillary intentionally retained government documents that were requested. Nice try though. Lol
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Game Changer [2045]
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Yes. Emails are government documents.
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There were at least 13 documents that we know about in her email that were classified. We will never know how many more there were.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Yes. Emails are government documents.
Sep 12, 2023, 3:12 PM
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Do you understand the definition of "willfully retained"? LOL. Trump intentionally retained and hid defense documents after being asked several times to return. Those are facts. The deleted emails were not retained, nor is there any evidence that they were anything other than personal in nature.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Wrong and wrong. Keep nipping, though. Das a gooood puppy.***
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Wrong and wrong. Keep nipping, though. Das a gooood puppy.***
Sep 12, 2023, 3:28 PM
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Maybe you can help out and provide a link proving Hillary "willfully retained" national defense information. You can't can you? LOl
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Do your own research... like a goooood puppy. Have a bone.***
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: Do your own research... like a goooood puppy. Have a bone.***
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There's a reason why you guys refuse to provide a link backing up your narrative. It sucks when people question your made up facts and challenge your made up spiracies.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Nip, nip, nip, nip... Watch out for the boot.***
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Still coming up empty?
Sep 12, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Anybody that posts a pic of 'Peter' Strzok is a pathetic pud***
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Game Changer [2045]
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To willfully retain something
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Means you keep something when another party asks for it. That’s what she (and Trump) did. She kept thousands of emails from a house committee.
They were then destroyed by her ‘lawyers’. That’s another charge in itself. Destruction of government property.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: To willfully retain something
Sep 12, 2023, 5:49 PM
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What national defense information did she willfully retain after she was asked to return. You seem to be struggling with this. Still waiting.
Please provide a link proving that she did what Trump is being indicted for.
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Game Changer [2045]
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We dont know.
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It was deleted.
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Re: We dont know.
Sep 12, 2023, 7:37 PM
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So nothing was retained?
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Game Changer [2045]
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How was she and her people able to delete it
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If they didn’t at first retain it?
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: How was she and her people able to delete it
Sep 12, 2023, 8:24 PM
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What national defense information did Clinton retain? You don't know, do you?
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Game Changer [2045]
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How can any ordinary citizen know
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what info was retained if the evidence has been destroyed?
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Re: How was she and her people able to delete it
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Dear klimpzun®,
I’m sure you’ve figured this out by now.
Birm’s purpose in life is to engage in troll-esque exchanges in which a non-leftist’s post is met with a deflectory response or false choice follow up question.
The desired outcome is to distract the non-lefty, hope that the non-lefty disappears from the board, and therefore transform TNet’s political board into a leftist echo chamber propaganda site.
Let him have the last word. Eventually he’ll go away and try to drag down another TNet train in which genuine discussion is taking place.
Best regards.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Thanks.
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I am aware but it does not bother me one bit. I enjoy birm’s jabs sometimes. I don’t take him too seriously.
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Re: Thanks.
Sep 12, 2023, 9:59 PM
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You are a good man to be so kind to special needs individuals.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: How was she and her people able to delete it
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Why are you so triggered with the manner in which I post. You find it acceptable for the POTUS to be like this. Why do you hold me to a higher standard than the person you will be voting for?
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Mostly the memes, but I wouldn't want to harm your per diem.
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Everybody needs a little side money.
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Clemson Conqueror [11627]
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Commander in Chief / retention of any & all documents
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The actual law has nothing to do with whether the news media, bureaucracy, or the general public thinks the law should be.
The president, like it or not, has the constitutional authority to possess any and all classified materials, and at his whim may declassify those documents. The president does not have to tell anyone that he had declassified those documents. He has Constitutionally authorized, unilateral privilege, of doing so.
Why is this? Because, The Constitution defines, as one of his roles, the president as Commander in Chief. The president is this country’s supreme authority on all military and national security matters. He reports to no one in this role, nor does is he required to communicate with anyone in this role. In this particular role as the supreme authority, all confidential materials are primarily to provide information to him so that he can best protect the country.
Remember, General George Washington was our first president. This set in motion the path by which The Constitution was written to provide the president with these unique powers.
Back to your question. Do I LIKE it that this presidential right to possess, and then keep classified or declassify materials at his whim is a good thing in today’s complicated times? No. I think this is terribly outdated, since in the ensuing ~ 250 years, we have had a plethora of presidents who know neither know anything about the military or about how the capability of military (I.e., at his time in office) to achieve their objectives.
Who on earth thinks that Biden, Trump, Obama, G.W. Bush (a lightweight who got into the National Guard in order to avoid dangerous military service via the draft and end up in Vietnam), or Clinton had a clue about military matters other than what their staff, cabinet, and generals & admirals tell them.
(*). But The Constitution is the foundation of our legal system, The Constitution bestows the responsibility of Commander in Chief on the president, and, with respect to ALL confidential materials, the president has unique powers to deem them as classified or declassified. He answers to NO ONE on this; that is why neither Clinton, nor G.W. Bush, nor Obama, were ever pursued by our government for possessing hoards of classified documents after leaving the presidency. Obama still has his pile of such documents; the National Archives continues to beg him for electronic copies of Obama’s documents.
Yet, the government indicts Trump for possessing confidential documents.
This is a political witch-hunt. Nothing more.
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Re: So taking the documents is okay?
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Trump is being indicted for not returning documents when he was asked. He in fact intentionally hid these documents. Name some other politicians who have done this.
Joe had them when he wasn’t allowed in the first place, but you can sweep that under the rug nobody is looking.
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Orange Elite [5321]
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Re: So taking the documents is okay?
Sep 12, 2023, 7:38 PM
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So did Pence. They both cooperated and returned them. Did Trump do this? I'll wait.
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They told him to add a lock. Then they raided with SWAT.
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Sep 12, 2023, 11:45 PM
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You're too engorged to see the difference. Bend over, puppy.
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Re: Willful retention of national defense information
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Sep 12, 2023, 7:19 AM
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lol at how Trump is your boogeyman
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Re: Willful retention of national defense information
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Sep 12, 2023, 9:04 AM
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Are you not alarmed about a POTUS candidate who called for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution? Please explain.
Asking for those conservatives who a few years ago were carrying miniature copies of the constitution around with them.
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Re: Willful retention of national defense information
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Dec 22, 2012, 8:21 AM
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lol at how Trump is your boogeyman
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