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CU Guru [1513]
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Have Question re John Swofford and the ACC
May 26, 2015, 10:37 AM
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I am in the midst of a disagreement with a friend regarding whether the Commissioner of any of the Power 5 Leagues, other than Swofford, is a grad of one of the leagues member schools. I researched the SEC, Big10, Big 12, Pac 12 (and for kicks the Ivy League) and found that NO OTHER LEAGUE HAS A COMMISSIONER from a MEMBER SCHOOL except the ACC. I contend that the Commissioner SHOULD NOT be from a member school but a well qualified "outside". He says he thinks it makes no difference.
Can you give me your opinion and thoughts since I do feel that Swofford's affiliation with UNC leads to favoritism of the highest order. TIS
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Clemson Conqueror [11131]
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Most on here just want him fired tomorrow
May 26, 2015, 10:39 AM
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Hope that helps
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CU Guru [1335]
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Re: Most on here just want him fired tomorrow
May 27, 2015, 1:37 PM
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There is a Fire Swofford Facebook page but it has little traffic .,.It does however have some
hilarious photos of Swoffie and Roy ,.., didn't know
Go over and make a comment
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Re: Have Question re John Swofford and the ACC
May 26, 2015, 10:48 AM
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Unfortunately, the ACC has tapped member school staff to be commissioner. I know that a UVA AD became commissioner (Gene Corrigan?) and believe that there have been more. Corrigan did a good job, but we cannot say the same of Swofford. Also, I always felt that UNC received the benefit of the doubt from him.
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CU Guru [1513]
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Re: Have Question re John Swofford and the ACC
May 26, 2015, 11:01 AM
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Sugar: My research shows that TODAY none of the other Power 5 Conferences have a Commissioner who is a grad of any of their member schools. Perhaps they saw the light and ruled out candidates of any member school.
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Orange Blooded [2609]
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Re: Have Question re John Swofford and the ACC
May 27, 2015, 10:37 PM
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And none of the power 5 have espn pumping a bogus agenda like sec
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the voting on all the important issues is held by the
May 26, 2015, 10:51 AM
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presidents &/or ads, so the power is held at the school level. swofford has been commish for how many years?
if you have an issue, perhaps it should be with the presidents of the universities that continue to keep him as the acc's figure head and not with the person they put in the position?
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Orange Blooded [3066]
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Re: the voting on all the important issues is held by the
May 26, 2015, 1:24 PM
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ACC should break the trend of having a conf. commissioner, who was very involved with\\attended or employed by any conf. school.
All ACC commissioners (to date) were affiliated with a conference institution at some point prior to becoming the commissioner.
Swofford is the father of a poorly attended baseball tournament. Besides the 8 games played by UNC and NCSU, the Durham attendance was awful.
A good thing that State made it to the finals last Sunday. For the record, I have complained to the Clemson President about 3 years back and he couldn't rationalize why John Swofford was not felt to be a fair commissioner.
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TigerNet HOFer [124268]
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CU Medallion [19128]
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idk, they put him in power, they can remove him or perhaps
May 26, 2015, 1:44 PM
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it's not the issue with his bosses you seem to believe it is?
as i suggested, take it up with them?
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CU Medallion [19128]
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you don't know? That's gotta be a first huh?***
May 26, 2015, 2:23 PM
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TigerNet HOFer [124268]
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no, i don't. perhaps it's not public knowledge or something
May 26, 2015, 2:30 PM
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that even requires a vote? it's certainly not an area of concern since the presidents continue to reup his contract.
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CU Medallion [19128]
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you're merely assuming it's not an area of concern, Tommy
May 26, 2015, 2:43 PM
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got his contract re-upped too, didn't mean there wasn't concern
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TigerNet HOFer [124268]
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not one of mine. if it's one of yours, report back to any
May 26, 2015, 2:46 PM
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others that might be interested when you find your answer?
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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he went because Chancellop Holden Thorp asked him to
May 26, 2015, 2:13 PM
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the ACC sent a rep to the 'Cuse infractions committee meetings - did you have a problem with that?
4 yeas ago, it just happened to be Swofford because Thorp asked him to go
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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Chancellor
May 26, 2015, 2:15 PM
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don't ask me what a Chancellop is 
dang, that's bad... r and p aren't even close on the keyboard
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CU Medallion [19128]
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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read much?
May 26, 2015, 3:12 PM
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is English your first language?
those two sentences/clauses were about two different situations.
i mean, i guess you would have to have some background information... or maybe some semblance of a memory for it to be clear, so i'll give you the ambiguity
so i'll draw you a picture:
1) the 'Cuse meetings were recent... and the ACC sent a rep
2) the UNC meetings were 4 years ago... and Swofford went at Thorp's invitation
does that help?
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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I could've sworn that was worded differently
May 26, 2015, 3:25 PM
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the first time I read it.
By the way, that pompous "Is English your first language?" "Let me paint you a picture" crap is exactly why nobody likes UNC around here.
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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typical
May 26, 2015, 3:26 PM
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sure can dish it out
but heaven forbid someone poke a little fun at you?
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Ultimate Tiger [33411]
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No comparison in "tone" or level of "good-naturedness"
May 27, 2015, 6:57 AM
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between your post and Penthouse.
Can dish it out but can't take it .... LOL - you ARE the poster child for tarhole dooshiness.
Carry on, posterchild.
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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glad you are amused
May 27, 2015, 8:16 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11131]
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CU Medallion [19128]
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do you really not see the obvious conflict of interest?***
May 26, 2015, 5:16 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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draw me a picture
May 26, 2015, 6:20 PM
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'cause i just don't see it the same way you do
i bet if Kent Syvreud or Daryl Gross/Pete Sala had asked Swofford to attend, he would have been there for 'Cuse
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CU Medallion [19128]
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Baby Blue Blinders***
May 26, 2015, 11:22 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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i don't think you really understand
May 27, 2015, 8:15 AM
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what 'conflict of interest' means
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CU Medallion [19128]
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Really? Do you not think he is showing a bias towards
May 27, 2015, 10:52 AM
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unCHEAT regarding the athletic and academic scandal? Part of which took place under his watch? Do you think he hasn't always? When he isn't using the conference to advance his sons career, of course
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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the whole thing with his son is fishy, no doubt
May 27, 2015, 11:36 AM
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i'll grant you that.
but don't you think if there was real evidence of any bias toward UNC the other schools would have called him on it by now?
i just don't see any problem with his words or actions regarding the NCAA investigations
can you point me to something he's done differently with the UNC scandal(s) and the 'Cuse penalties - or any other situation?
and the whole "part of which took place under his watch" is just silly to me. guilt by association just doesn't fly.
he was AD when the paper class scheme began - and for the first 4 years of the of the Crowder/Nyang'oro.
can you produce any evidence that he knew - or even should have known - it was going on?
how many folks knew about it during the first 4 years?
the really bogus 'classes' - as opposed to 'independent study' paper-only academic credits - started in 1999, two years after Swofford moved from Chapel Hill to Greensboro
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CU Medallion [19128]
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At least you can admit the nepotism, but if you don't
May 27, 2015, 11:47 AM
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think he has helped in the cover-up, your only lying to yourself...Is that picture clear enough?
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CU Medallion [19128]
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*you're***
May 27, 2015, 11:48 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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no evidence, no guilt
May 27, 2015, 11:56 AM
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it's that simple
show me some proof. even some circumstantial evidence.
give me anything that suggests he has "helped in the cover-up"
and can you define "cover-up" as it applies here?
maybe it's the haters who are lying to themselves because they have a bias against UNC and/or Swofford?
again, we look at this much differently...
just wait until the penalties come down.. i'm sure many will think they aren't severe enough and some will think they're too harsh... all depends on perspective
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CU Medallion [19128]
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oh, we definitely look at this differently...You seem to
May 27, 2015, 12:41 PM
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think he knew nothing of the shenanigans that went on for decades, I'm a little more realistic on the subject
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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"realistic"
May 27, 2015, 1:08 PM
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yeah right..
i think you mean hopeful.
some might say delusional.
or just maybe just full of male cow feces.
and what do you base your "realistic" view on?
maybe this is a case of orange lenses, not 'baby blue blinkers?'
again.
show me some proof. some evidence.. anything....
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CU Medallion [19128]
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he went to stump for them even though he was the AD when
May 27, 2015, 1:22 PM
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they started the academic fraud, is that above board? Do you really think he knew nothing of it? Do you not think he covered for y'all? Do you think his actions pertaining to this academic scandal have been 100% without bias and above reproach? Or are you going to stick to the Barry Bonds/Lance Armstrong defense? I'm sure you didn't dismiss the early allegations as hopeful delusions as well
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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what is this 'stump' stuff?
May 27, 2015, 1:28 PM
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have you any evidence that he spoke or presented any argument at the NCAA?
he attended the meeting(s) do you know what happened inside?
is that all you got?
seriously, give me some evidence.
what else do you claim as bias? what behavior or words are so worthy of your 'reproach?'
i answered your question in this thread... when you asked did the presidents and AD's vote to send him to Indy..
but you can't answer my questions?
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CU Medallion [19128]
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So now you're trying to say he went but didn't say
May 27, 2015, 1:38 PM
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ANYTHING on their behalf?
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CU Medallion [19128]
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the fact that they went before the REAL investigation had
May 27, 2015, 1:46 PM
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wrapped up doesn't sound like a cover-up? A plea bargain at the least
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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you're reaching
May 27, 2015, 1:56 PM
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no, it doesn't sound like a cover-up
i know you want it to be... so badly...
but you need more proof.
FWIW many penalties with the NCAA are 'plea bargains'
just like with 'Cuse this year, the NCAA accepted UNC's self-imposed penalties and added more in 2011
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CU Medallion [19128]
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So you're OK with the self-imposed sanctions even though we
May 27, 2015, 2:00 PM
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NOW know the cheating was much more rampant than we were led to believe(by the school AND Swofford) YEARS ago?
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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???
May 27, 2015, 2:11 PM
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there you go making assumptions again
where did you get that i was OK with the self-imposed sanctions?
and how/where/when did Swofford lead anyone to believe anything about the scandals?
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CU Medallion [19128]
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I didn't assume, I asked you a question, are you OK with it
May 27, 2015, 2:23 PM
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NOW? The self-imposed sanctions came years before we knew the whole scope of the academic fraud(how y'all hold onto your accreditation I'll NEVER know)....If offering up a punishment before we know exactly what y'all did isn't a cover-up, what would you call it? And to think that Swofford, although present, remained silent? Well that's as silly as Tyler taking Swahili...twice...
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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your ignorance is showing
May 27, 2015, 3:28 PM
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you obviously know nothing about accreditation
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CU Medallion [19128]
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Your bias is showing
May 27, 2015, 4:23 PM
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unCHEAT
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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wow, how original
May 27, 2015, 4:26 PM
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how creative!
come up with that one all by yourself?
impressive!
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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I don't know? Really? You want me to assume he went and
May 27, 2015, 1:55 PM
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said nothing?
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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can i assume you know how these meetings are conducted?
May 27, 2015, 1:57 PM
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if so.. please enlighten me
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CU Medallion [19128]
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I don't know how an orchestra works, but I know the dude
May 27, 2015, 2:07 PM
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with the chopstick is doing the directing....If you want to continue sticking your head in the sand, it's OK with me, but to think Swofford went and didn't say a word on behalf of unCHEAT....That's as laughable as Tyler's grades
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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the NCAA conducts the meetings
May 27, 2015, 2:21 PM
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not the school, not the conference
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CU Medallion [19128]
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Link to where I said the school or conference conducted the
May 27, 2015, 2:24 PM
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meeting?
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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yes or no, should unCHEAT be charged with Lack of
May 27, 2015, 4:34 PM
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Institutional Control? Simple question, what say you?e question, curious what a unCheat apologistist would say
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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we'll know soon enough
May 28, 2015, 8:41 AM
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they should be releasing the allegations soon.
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CU Medallion [19128]
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Is that a yes or a no? I know you Tardheels have porblems
May 29, 2015, 12:33 PM
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following the rules, but it was a simple yes or no question...Are you too scared to answer?
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CU Medallion [19128]
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can you draw me a picture of Baby Blue Blinkers? never
May 27, 2015, 4:28 PM
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heard of them before
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Clemson Conqueror [11738]
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another typo... should have been 'blinders'
May 28, 2015, 8:40 AM
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that you claim to have knowledge of
do me a favor: keep thinking (and posting things that suggest) that you're smarter than the heads of the schools and their athletic departments... and that you know better than they how the conference should be run...
and i'll keep laughing at folks like you, 'cause you are amusing
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no evidence, no guilt...is that like no body, no murder?***
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Easy Answer re: John Swofford and the ACC
May 26, 2015, 11:55 AM
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The easy answer is to get a former CU AD to be Commissioner so that we skate by and everyone else's balls get busted! Isn't that politics in the great 'ol USA ( and ACC )?
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Orange Blooded [3258]
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I agree with you but: Swofford (UNC), Corrigan (UVA), and
May 26, 2015, 1:33 PM
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Weaver(WF) indicates ACC likes to keep it in house.......I do not agree to that.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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I don't care as much that he's from UNC
May 26, 2015, 1:49 PM
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it matters and his affiliation should've disqualified him, but my main issue is that he screwed the ACC over in its TV deal in order to make sure his son still had a cushy job over at Raycom. That same son also just happened to be working at Boston College when they were invited to the ACC.
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DSP is correct: Swofford will remain until the member
May 27, 2015, 6:31 AM
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schools opt otherwise.
Considering my 30+ year beliefs about the additional probation imposed upon Clemson in the 80's by the ACC, I agree that the Commissioner should have no affiliation with a member school. However, the problem is the members' attitudes in that regard.
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of course he is...
May 27, 2015, 8:42 AM
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it's a curse.
oh, and good morning HT. happy wednesday.
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