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Paw Master [17535]
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Navel Gazing 101
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Oct 23, 2025, 8:46 AM
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I guess these folks forget Winsome Sears is likewise a woman and Bernie is supporting a dude in the Maine Senate primary against a woman to run against Susan Collins, a woman.
Can't elect a woman? I predict a woman will be elected Governor of VA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0HZ_4I1A4U
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Ultimate Tiger [37223]
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Re: Navel Gazing 101
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Oct 23, 2025, 9:15 AM
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Dems still really don't get why they lost to a clown.
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Paw Master [17535]
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Re: Navel Gazing 101
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Oct 23, 2025, 9:56 AM
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That's so true.In some ways, the Dems are at times more misogynistic and racist than the Pubs.
White progressives seemingly don't see female conservatives as women or black conservatives as truly black.
Both the Pubs and Dems are so tribal. There was a huge uproar and rightly so over the Young Republicans who made racist, Nazi supporting and violence promoting texts.
Now the Dem candidate for VA AG who mused via text about killing a fellow Pub VA legislator and desiring to see that person's kids killed, still has yet to have Abigail Spanberger, the Dem candidate for Governor, pull her support.
Bernie is backing a guy who had a Nazi tattoo placed on his chest while a Marine, critiqued blacks for allegedly being poor tippers and the really good one, labeled all white Americans in rural areas as racist and stupid.
This comes from a white guy living in Sullivan Maine population 1219.His Dem opponent is the current Maine Governor who is a woman. Susan Collins the current Senator is a woman.
Hillary while very intelligent and with experience as a shadow adviser to Bill, Secretary of State, and a Senator from NY was not particularly likable and ran a poor campaign, omitting efforts to lock down WI and MI. If she had spent more time in those battleground states, she likely would have won.
Harris has never been a great candidate. She lost not because she is black or is a woman. She ran a very lame campaign.
The Dems need to get away from identity politics and get back on the issues and run a centrist woman or man as President in 2028.
America is willing to elect women and blacks who are both good candidates and run smart campaigns.
Wallowing in identity politics is what is not a winning strategy.
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Starter [268]
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Re: Navel Gazing 101
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Oct 23, 2025, 12:56 PM
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In modern voting it seems unlikely that you can win if you are a "centrist". Regardless of the party. And for the most part, you cant win a major office in practically any state if you are not affiliated with 1 of the 2 parties.
If you are a candidate that runs semi-center in a primary you are tarred and feathered, and you cant get the 50% needed. To garner any strength to win a primary, you have to cater to the special interest groups which drive the extreme ends of the parties. Religious, Minorities, LGBTQ, Young, Old, Poor, Middle Class, Retirees, whatever.
Sad part is, everyone believes that most of the Elections are decided in November when in reality its decided during the primary season. Folks do not participate like they should on election day, and they certainly do not participate like they should during the primaries.
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110%er [3796]
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I don't blame Harris all that much for her loss...
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Oct 24, 2025, 8:23 AM
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You can blame her loss on 3 things: 1) Biden; 2) Inflation; 3) MAGA's media wing
Biden should've announced in late 2022 that he was not running for a second term. The inflation was a supply-shock from the pandemic that was worldwide, and not anyone's fault, but it was blamed (falsely) on Biden, and hammered on by MAGA's mouthpieces in the right-wing media.
Kamala actually ran a centrist campaign, but was drowned out by the propaganda wing of MAGA. She ran on tax cuts for first-time home buyers, tax cuts for children, expanding the earned income tax credit, tax credits for health care, middle-class tax cuts, small business tax cuts, tax credits for investments in green technology.
She ran on strengthening our alliances with NATO and in Asia. She ran on rules-based & mostly free trade (some tariffs, but very targeted and more effective than anything Trump is doing). She ran on a strong military, confronting Russia. She's pro-Israel, and she wanted to end the war in Gaza. She believes in Democracy, and nations having free & fair elections, including in our nation.
She also supported what was previously a bipartisan effort to address immigration at our border.
She had one chance at a debate with Trump, and destroyed him. Even fox polls said she won the debate.
Alot of what Kamala talked about used to be common Republican talking points. But the average voter never heard much of it. I think she was toast for the reasons I listed above, and it's sad. If we had elected, we would be in a better place than we are now with Trump.
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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What a perfectly worded post
Oct 24, 2025, 10:31 AM
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you're spot on this analysis.
In hindsight, it doesn't seem like any Democrat was going to be able to out perform the economy.
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Re: I don't blame Harris all that much for her loss...
Oct 24, 2025, 1:58 PM
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MAGA’s media wing is tiny. The only reason that ‘MAGA media’ is effective is because it is sooooo easy to dissect and destroy the absurd narratives and propaganda that the Democrat-run Main Stream Media put out.
There is a lesson here.
A lie told a million times is still a lie.
It only takes a small voice of truth to reach the ears of those who had been exposed to ~ endless lies to figure out that most ‘news’ sources had lied to them.
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1st Rounder [631]
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Re: I don't blame Harris all that much for her loss...
Oct 24, 2025, 4:19 PM
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You mean the "small voice of truth" emanating from "tiny" FOX News that shrieked about 'her emails' incessantly until their idiot audience was foaming at the mouth and chanting "lock her up." That "small voice of truth?"
Message was edited by: fitch®
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110%er [3796]
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(eyes roll) Yeah right.
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Oct 24, 2025, 5:06 PM
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The right-wing has been dominant on social media and cable news and still on talk radio, and especially on social media. The right-wing has a very loud - and lying - mouth doing its bidding...particularly on social media. And the right is also taking over local media as well.
There was a time when the left owned the media. That day ended many years ago.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52193]
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With this trainwreck administration, it should be fish in a barrel...
Oct 23, 2025, 10:01 AM
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But never underestimate the Dems ability to fumble in the fourth quarter while taking a knee. They need to find the candidates who resonate the most with voters--regardless of gender--and play for the win against the MAGA movement instead of worrying about gender and race.
There will be a time for that. The time now is to win at all costs.
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Ultimate Tiger [37223]
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Re: With this trainwreck administration, it should be fish in a barrel...
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Oct 23, 2025, 11:39 AM
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"There will be a time for that. The time now is to win at all costs"
Why should there ever be a time where gender and race should drive the candidates you choose?
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Clemson Sports Icon [52193]
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I'm not arguing that there is...
Oct 23, 2025, 12:03 PM
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But there is also something to be said for having diversity in governing to ensure all walks of life are represented. That being said, it's not something to jam down the public's throat. A person shouldn't be elected simply because she's a woman.
If the Dems want to play those games one day, whatever. But now is absolutely not the time to take that route. They MUST put forth centrist anti-Trumps. That's it. Regardless of their physical make-up.
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Orange Blooded [2319]
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Re: I'm not arguing that there is...
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Oct 23, 2025, 1:17 PM
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I'd like to believe that however, both parties have dug themselves a pretty deep hole.
Suppose you have a candidate (pick a side) that is centrist. This person could very well be what the country needs. But, the candidate is gay. The Dems couldn't turn their back on that. And the Pubs would never let it happen.
Both sides have a grocery list of things that you must support and/or believe or you will not get elected. The Dems (IMO) have always been all over the place with issue after issue with one voting block after another all coming to the conclusion that government is the answer. Any movement towards the center and you're threatened with being "primaried out".
The Pubs version of this is that anyone moving towards the center is now a RINO. You're not even a republican if you even act like you agree with something from the left.
Now that we've all "sided up", there is no center.
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Re: I'm not arguing that there is...
Oct 23, 2025, 8:50 PM
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If diversity is really a core value of the Democrats, then why the extremist attacks by Democrats against VA Republican gubernatorial candidate Winsome Sears (black) and intense support for VA Democrat gubernatorial candidate Abigail Spanberger (white)?
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110%er [3796]
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Hillary's loss in 2016 was so unnecessary....
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Oct 24, 2025, 8:43 AM
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Looking back at that time, if we had run Biden in 2016, he would've easily defeated Trump. But the death of his son in 2015, combined with the Dem establishment pushing Biden aside for Hillary....in retrospect, that's what did us in.
The polls in 2016 didn't measure the secret-trump voter very well. I think Hillary was overconfident, and even though she campaigned hard, it wasn't hard enough in the blue wall states.
If Trump had lost in 2016, I think he would have stepped away from political aspirations and focused on his media/tv/branding work. He ran originally as a publicity stunt. He didn't expect to win.
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Valley Legend [12425]
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Yessir. Biden's son's tragic death aside - I believe Hillary was still already
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Oct 24, 2025, 9:53 AM
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the "chosen one" by the DNC.
She should have won easily but ran a terrible campaign. Who overlooks swing states?
Her "deplorables" comment - if you leave a redneck alone, he'll leave you alone. But she woke them up with that one.
Trump's main allure (at the time) was that he wasn't a politician, and Hillary entered the debates way too "coached" - and looked like the consummate politician (which wasn't a good thing).
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1st Rounder [631]
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Re: Yessir. Biden's son's tragic death aside - I believe Hillary was still already
Oct 24, 2025, 3:25 PM
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True. Obama, who never cared for Biden, screwed the pooch on that one by pushing Biden aside for Hillary.
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Valley Legend [12425]
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I couldn't follow the logic. Were they talking about Dems not voting for women?
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Oct 23, 2025, 10:21 AM
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As you said - a woman is going to win VA. They are concerned that a Dem woman is not going to win.
I will say that watching that piece reminded me how Dems managed to lose to Trump...twice.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: I couldn't follow the logic. Were they talking about Dems not voting for women?
Oct 23, 2025, 10:26 AM
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Tiger Spirit [9989]
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Re: Navel Gazing 101
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Oct 23, 2025, 1:11 PM
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The Democrats bowing to the progressives has cost them more votes than gained. So many moderate Democrats are now Republicans. The transgender issue pretty much handed Trump the victory.
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Re: Navel Gazing 101
Oct 23, 2025, 8:46 PM
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Both Republicans and Democrats rely heavily on low information voters as one part of their respective bases. Social issues are the key to motivating low information voters to actually vote for them.
Republicans have an easier time messaging their low information constituency than Democrats. Low info Republicans are more demographically monolithic; ‘monolithic’ in this case is not based on gender or race. Monolithic constituency of Republican Party are people who are pro-2nd Amendment (the extent of their understanding of 2A is private gun ownership); traditional understanding of the genders (men are men / women are women) and the historical social norms associated with historical understandings of gender (I.e., men should not use women’s bathrooms or play on girls’ sports teams); ‘right to life’ believers; and superficial characteristics that Republicans have captured and for which people who ‘look like’ and ‘talk like’ them (not necessarily with ‘talk like’ meaning having an accent like them).
Democrats have a harder task as far as courting their low information constituency and then getting those low info people to actually vote Democrat. Democrats must cobble together numerous low information constituency targets in such a way that messaging that appeals to one group needs to be concealed to other low-info target(s). For example, courting Latinos by reminding them that Democrats helped them … back before they became legalized citizens … to get established in USA must square their ongoing pro-immigration stance with the fact that ‘new’ immigrants (especially ‘off-the-grid’ new illegal aliens) accept pay scales that undercut the pay that ‘old’ immigrants are now getting.
Another example (this will be my last, although there are many more) is with race-baiting-if-blacks by reminding them that ‘whites were the bigots who want to eliminate welfare benefits that are owed to blacks because of systemic racism has kept you poor’ tactics. This is all well and good, but when the Democrats messaging to LGBTQ low-info constituency about ‘gender fluidity’ stuff, that outrages many blacks who have figured out that the ‘systemic racism’ messaging is not as obvious to them as ‘gender fluidity’ is an absurdity to them. Thus, a Democrat message that is attractive to LGBTQ ends up ‘leaking over’ to blacks, which begins the process of de legitimizing Democrats to their black constituency.
Again, this entire post is in reference to the ‘low information’ constituencies of both parties.
Because of the complication of messaging to their low information constituencies, the safest messaging is to attack attack attack their political opponent (currently Trump but the shift over to Vance has already begun). The craziest attacks are somewhat effective because the Democrats still control the information outlets that are used by low information voters. Because of the steady rise of non-traditional current event outlets (over which the Democrats lack control, although many of them are pro-Democrat), the Demicrats have tried (and will again) tried to censor them as ‘dangerous misinformation’ sources.
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Re: Navel Gazing 101
Oct 24, 2025, 5:06 PM
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Bro in Maine had a Nazi tattoo that he covered up. Can’t make it up.
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