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Dynasty Maker [3179]
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I am asking this question for the third time. The one thing that frustrates me
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Mar 18, 2025, 7:08 PM
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about this site is the number of clowns on it that give wise a$$ answers to an honest question. Once again, “If Notre Dame decided it wanted to leave the ACC, would they have the same consequences as all other members?”
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Re: I am asking this question for the third time. The one thing that frustrates me
Mar 18, 2025, 7:16 PM
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Not a full member so I would think not. Maybe something and let us all know. I hate they are here and dont recall. If they cant join they can hit the road
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Mar 18, 2025, 7:40 PM
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Am sure they were smart enough to not lock themselves in .. with our ACC fartbraintrust, we’d probably have to pay them should they decide to leave ..
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Re: I am asking this question for the third time. The one thing that frustrates me
Mar 18, 2025, 8:33 PM
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Pretty sure I remember that they can not join another conference other than the ACC. Don’t know about any other limitations.
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They get whatever they want.
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Mar 18, 2025, 8:34 PM
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You would see it in the contact they signed with Swoffturd if you would take the time to read it.
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It's a great question.
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Mar 18, 2025, 10:31 PM
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I doubt Jim Phillips knows the answer.
But, since FSU and Clemson got the great settlement, and since ND is not a member of the conference with respect to football, I'm going under the assumption that they can leave scott free anytime they want.
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Mar 19, 2025, 10:11 AM
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I don't know if they signed the grant of rights or whatever it is called. Honestly i wish they would join with their football program. It would be a significant improvement to have a traditional juggernaut of college football actually be in the conference. If we have to stick to the ACC until 2030 or 2032, whenever that is, the best alternative is to sign up some good football schools.
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Mar 19, 2025, 10:22 AM
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We know for a fact that they did not sign the grant of Rights comma In regards to their football games, because if they had they would not be able to have the NBC contract.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Mar 19, 2025, 10:24 AM
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No, Notre Dame would not have the same consequences as the other ACC members. The rights to Notre Dame's football games are not part of the ACC contract nor are they part of the grant of rights. Even if the settlement did not exist, Notre Dame would only have to pay off the rights for their basketball and Olympic sports, which would be nowhere near the amount necessary to pay off the rights for football games.
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Mar 19, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Mar 19, 2025, 11:45 AM
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Here is an AI response (Grok from X) which takes a lot to say a little, but I would assert it is less than what it says below for football due to scheduling cancellations and for exiting Olympic sports.
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Notre Dame’s potential departure from the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) in 2025 involves a complex set of financial and contractual considerations. While exact figures can vary depending on specific circumstances and negotiations, here’s an analysis based on available information about Notre Dame’s unique arrangement with the ACC and standard conference exit protocols.
Notre Dame is a full member of the ACC for all sports except football, where it remains an independent, and men’s ice hockey, where it competes in the Big Ten. As part of its 2012 agreement with the ACC, Notre Dame committed to playing five football games annually against ACC opponents, a deal that began in 2014 and has been extended through at least 2037. This hybrid status complicates the financial implications of leaving the ACC, as the costs would primarily apply to its non-football sports.
Exit Fees
Most collegiate conferences, including the ACC, impose an exit fee on departing members. The ACC’s exit fee is not publicly specified in a single, fixed amount in recent sources, but it is known to be substantial. For context, when Maryland left the ACC for the Big Ten in 2014, the initial exit fee was set at $52 million, though it was later settled for $31 million after legal disputes. Given inflation and the ACC’s growth since then (now at 18 members, including Notre Dame), the current exit fee could be in a similar or higher range—potentially $50 million or more. However, Notre Dame’s partial membership might allow for negotiation, as its football independence means it doesn’t fully participate in the ACC’s football revenue pool.
Grant of Rights
The ACC’s grant of rights agreement, signed by all members (including Notre Dame for its non-football sports), extends through 2036, aligning with the conference’s ESPN media deal. This agreement assigns the media rights of member schools to the ACC, meaning that if Notre Dame left, it could owe compensation for the lost value of its non-football sports media rights through 2036. Estimating this cost is challenging without specific figures, but it could amount to tens of millions of dollars over the remaining term, depending on the assessed value of Notre Dame’s basketball, baseball, and other programs. Some speculation on platforms like X suggests that the total cost, including exit fees and grant of rights, could exceed $100 million, though this remains unconfirmed by official sources.
Football Considerations
Because Notre Dame’s football program is not bound by ACC membership—except for the scheduling agreement—it would not face direct penalties related to football media rights or revenue sharing upon departure. However, leaving the ACC could disrupt its lucrative scheduling arrangement, forcing Notre Dame to renegotiate with other conferences or independents. The football program’s independence is tied to its exclusive NBC contract, which runs through 2029 and provides approximately $15 million annually (with potential increases in the latest extension). This revenue stream would remain intact, but losing the ACC’s five-game guarantee might affect scheduling stability and competitive balance, indirectly impacting costs.
Other Potential Costs
Legal Fees: If Notre Dame’s exit is contested, as Maryland’s was, legal battles could add millions to the total cost.
Transition Expenses: Moving non-football sports to another conference (e.g., the Big Ten) might involve logistical costs, though these are typically minor compared to exit fees.
Revenue Loss: Notre Dame currently benefits from ACC revenue distributions for its non-football sports. In the 2024-25 academic year, ACC schools are projected to receive around $12-13 million annually from the College Football Playoff (CFP) and other sources. Leaving mid-year in 2025 could mean forfeiting a portion of this income.
Estimated Total
While precise numbers are not publicly available as of March 19, 2025, a rough estimate based on historical precedents and Notre Dame’s partial membership suggests a minimum cost of $50-70 million for exit fees and grant of rights penalties combined. If the grant of rights valuation for non-football sports is higher or legal disputes arise, the total could climb toward or exceed $100 million. This figure excludes indirect costs like lost scheduling benefits or future revenue adjustments.
Notre Dame’s decision would likely hinge on whether joining another conference (e.g., the Big Ten) or reverting to full independence for all sports offers a financial and competitive advantage outweighing these costs. Given its strong financial position—bolstered by the NBC deal and CFP earnings (e.g., $8 million from the 2024 playoff run as an independent)—Notre Dame could absorb such a hit, but the move would require careful strategic justification.
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