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I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:06 AM
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He supports the 12 game playoff, which I don’t, up until this season 4 has been perfect. But I can see where 8 might be better some years. But it’s not gonna be every year.
That being said, he has been talking the last couple of weeks about the 12 team playoff and saying that just because you win your conference doesn’t mean you should automatically get into the playoff.
He throws in a second qualifier.
You should have to be ranked in the top 15. He illuminates the reality that a 3 or 4 loss team could pull an upset in the championship game and they’re barely ranked in the top 25 or possibly not ranked at all. They don’t deserve to be in especially over possibly the team that they beat in their conference championship if that team only has 1 or 2 losses and ranked in the top 12.
He, and quite a few other folks that I have been watching and following, or advocating for all of the playoff games to be played on campus except the championship game. Naturally that should be on a neutral field. The NFL and all other college playoffs are held in the higher seeded team’s stadium. Only the Championship games are played on a neutral field.
This is similar to people pointing out that the group of five team that gets an at large bid should at least be ranked in the top 15.
I agree with both of these things!
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:09 AM
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Season's far from over. I suspect Four may be perfect this year too by the time selection Sunday rolls around in December.
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And water is wet
Nov 5, 2022, 11:12 AM
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That doesn’t change the fact that you can have a group of five team that’s barely ranked Asda at-large bed because they are the best group of five team. They have no business in the playoff.
You could have a three or four lost team from the ACC coastal or the SEC least pull an upset in the championship game and get into the playoff. That team is probably not ranked in the top 20 if even the top 25. They have no business in the playoff.
There should be a qualifier that all automatic bids have to be ranked in the top 15.
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Re: And water is wet
Nov 5, 2022, 2:00 PM
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“ There should be a qualifier that all automatic bids have to be ranked in the top 15.”
Kind of flies in the face of the term “automatic “.
One thing I like about the notion of a 12 team playoff is the possibility of a team catching lightning in a bottle late in the season and stunning folks in the playoffs. If a blue blood can’t beat the 8-4 team that won their GO5 conference title, do they “deserve” to continue their season?
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Completely disagree
Nov 5, 2022, 11:12 AM
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All conference champions, at least the power five, should get in. Period. Polls stink! They are biased and should be irrelevant. No one talks about polls in high school football. No one talks about polls in the NFL. Because it's all about winning your conference. Why even have conference champions if it doesn't matter? I say every conference sends two teams. Their champion and their runner up. Champions have first round home game.
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Get your head out your butt dude
Nov 5, 2022, 11:14 AM
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I’m not talking about the AP poll. I’m talking about the playoff poll. That matters! It’s called seeding!
All playoffs have seeding!
If a three or four loss team from the coastal upset Clemson in the ACCCG you honestly gonna tell me they deserve to be in the playoff over Clemson?
If you say yes you’re full of ####!
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Re: Completely disagree
Nov 5, 2022, 12:50 PM
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You need to rethink your position. Your reasoning is flawed. There really should not be ANY automatic qualifiers. We see too many lousy games in the NCAA basketball tournament because of automatic qualifiers.
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:13 AM
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I'd be for a dern 64 team bracket if they wanted it.
Its just that football isnt basketball and the physical toll is real. Im sure the players and coaches dont mind (and if they do, tough cookies they wanted to get paid like pros and now they can) but I kinda do for some reason.
Having college football played into February just feels wrong. Unless of course they shorten the non-conference tune-up part of the season by three or four weeks.
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Ehhh
Nov 5, 2022, 11:13 AM
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If you're putting 12 teams in the playoff then all conference champions should be in. If people have a problem with an 8-5 team potentially making the playoff, then change the conference format - eliminate these silly divisions.
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God I hope you people didn’t graduate from Clemson.
Nov 5, 2022, 11:17 AM
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The ACC is getting rid of divisions. But you could very easily have the second place team in the conference have three or four losses. North Carolina is leading to coastal and they could easily have three losses right now.
So you think Clemson can be ranked number four and an unranked team can beat Clemson in the ACCCG and that team gets into the playoffs? Let’s say our starting quarterback is injured for the ACCCG. And that’s why we lose. But he’s back by the time the bowl games roll around. You really think that other team deserves to be in over Clemson?
If you say yes we both know you’re lying!
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1) I'm aware of what the ACC is doing
Nov 5, 2022, 11:23 AM
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2) Choosing the team with the 2nd best record in the entire conference rather than the best team from half the conference greatly reduces the chance of putting a 7-5 Pitt team in the ACCCG. Sure you might get 9-3 Wake Forest or something, but I still believe that team should be in the playoff if they win. Its a chance to make conference titles mean more rather than becoming whatever they've become now in CBB.
3) If Clemson was a playoff caliber team in your scenario, they would probably still get an at-large bid.
4) Stop being a condescending ######.
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LMAO
Nov 5, 2022, 11:26 AM
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3. That’s an assumption. The scenario I’m talking about and that Davis brings up is very very possible.
4. It’s not condescending to point out people being illogical and irrational.
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I'm being neither of those things
Nov 5, 2022, 11:28 AM
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I have a (completely valid) opinion that happens to be different from yours and you chose to lead your response with a childish insult implying I'm not intelligent enough to have graduated from Clemson.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Re: Ehhh
Nov 5, 2022, 11:17 AM
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Agree. Conference champs get in. Period.
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Oh sure. Let’s place another stipulation that they have to be ranked by a bunch of bias media or men sitting in a conference room in a hotel to determine who gets in. That works so well right now.
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It has worked well.
Nov 5, 2022, 11:20 AM
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And we’re not talking about a 14 playoff but a 12 team playoff. You really think a 12–1 Clemson team in the ACCG without a starting quarterback shouldn’t be in the playoffs because we lost two unranked team with three or four losses?
I can’t believe anyone is disagreeing with this. It’s completely irrational. It’s completely illogical.
And again we’re not talking about sports riders and the AP poll. We’re talking about the playoff poll. Which is the exact same thing as all other college football divisions having a seeded playoff.
In case you people haven’t noticed, we’re in playoff football right now! Alabama can’t lose again. Clemson can’t lose. It’s win or go home the rest of the year!
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If that's the case, why hold conf. championship games?
Nov 5, 2022, 11:17 AM
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And shouldn't Top 4 undefeated games just forfeit conf. championship game and start preparing for national championship playoffs? Or just play 2nd string in conf. championship games?
The point is conf. championship games could be mostly redundant and pointless in a 12-team playoff scenario.
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Actually
Nov 5, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Now that we have a playoff, and it’s going to be a 12 team playoff, we should eliminate the conference championship games. We should also go to an 11 game regular season. But those aren’t gonna happen because of one reason, money! But it wasn’t that long ago that there were no conference championship games and the regular season was only 11 games and the conference champion The team with the best record.
With a 12 team playoff you don’t need conference championship games and honestly should go back to 11 games for the regular season. It’s ridiculous to play two nonconference cupcakes every season. That is nothing but an extra home game for money!
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8 teams is the right number
Nov 5, 2022, 11:17 AM
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That way all P5 champions get to go, plus 3 remaining at large teams to get their shot and not whine about being left out.
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This!!***
Nov 5, 2022, 1:45 PM
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Re: Eight Is Enough ---
Nov 5, 2022, 11:20 AM
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It will still keep it's heightened excitement level. Anything after eight are teams just walking in trying to get a participation trophy.
It may be necessary to have a more consistent demotion if a team loses a game during the regular season. It became complicated because somehow they ...who ever they really are that do the weekly rankings ...thought it was a good idea to keep as many SEC programs in the conversation and rankings as much as possible. Thats where the problem has started and grown like an ongoing fungus.
Need to have a consistent... fair...and stable hard line when it comes to wins and losses during the regular season. Stop caudling the SEC teams.
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:25 AM
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I find this incorrect thinking. In all others sports when it comes to playing for a championship it is win and you are in. Only FBS college football has it been that a champion is crowned by voters(pre-bcs), voters and computers (bcs) and now a selection commitee choosing only 4 teams(current format). There are 11 confernces in FBS college football, each conference champ should have the chance to play for the national championship. 11 is not a great number for a bracket. So I say 16 teams (11 confernce champs 5 at large). And just like other sports First round, quarter and semifinals are played at the higher seeds home stadium. Championship game played on neutral field. The NCAA should have mandated this decades ago, just like they did with the Mens basketball tournament wgen they made the NIT a second rate tournament.
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I would agree with you 100% except for one fact.
Nov 5, 2022, 11:30 AM
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All of those people get in based on the regular season. They don’t then also have a conference championship game. We have a regular season champion and then a conference championship game champion. And that’s my point. Throw out the championship game and you will get a legitimate conference champion. But you could have a situation where a three or four loss team upsets Clemson because our quarterback and a couple other players could be out with injuries.
So yeah power five football was played the way you described I would agree 100%. But that’s not how it’s done because of the conference championship games.
I think we should eliminate divisions, and conference championship games, and go back to an 11 game regular season. Then have a 12 team playoff with all games played at the higher seeded schools stadium and the championship game played on a neutral field.
That’s exactly how all the others do it.
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:27 AM
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All power 5 conferences get in and I agree with Reece all games played in the college stadiums except the Natty. I do believe it is time to expand.
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 11:29 AM
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I would expand to 8 to begin with.
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In the playoff era, only one conference champ, USC in 2017,
Nov 5, 2022, 11:36 AM
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had 3 losses, and they ended the season 11-3 and ranked 12th. So, it's pretty unlikely a P5 conference champ would be ranked below 15th.
In the proposed 12 team playoff, every P5 champ isn't guaranteed a spot...it's the top six ranked conference champs. I believe just last year, two of those would have been Cincy and Coastal, and the Pac 12 champ would have been left out of a 12 team playoff. Pitt would have barely gotten in.
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Is it really likely that a 3 or 4 loss team will
Nov 5, 2022, 12:06 PM
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win a conference championship? It could happen, but I would argue that it's not probable.
I'm sure it has happened in the past, but I just don't recall any 3 or 4 loss teams winning a conference championship.
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Then that 1-2 loss team should take care of business
Nov 5, 2022, 1:43 PM
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in their conf champ game against said 3-4 loss team. Conf championship should matter as it is the deaf to first round of the playoffs.
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Re: I agree with Rece Davis
Nov 5, 2022, 1:50 PM
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I think they should have gone to 8.
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