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Lot o points [155973]
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Hypothetical NIL question for anyone who might know.
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Jan 21, 2024, 8:49 AM
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Let’s say a school is at their 85 scholarship limit, but has a shot at a killer transfer (or recruit). In theory, could they bring them in as a PWO/WO and give them enough extra NIL money to cover them paying for school, making the walk on spot in effect a defacto scholarship spot? I have to imagine this has been thought of somewhere and accounted for in the rules, but I haven’t really seen it. If it were allowable, it seems like a school would basically be gaining 40 additional scholarship spots to potentially use on top players.
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110%er [9193]
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In theory yes you 100% could
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Jan 21, 2024, 8:56 AM
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But I imagine the ego of one of those top players wouldn’t entertain not being on scholarship. Would probably have to take one of your bottom tier players and supplement their scholarship that way and free up the scholarship for the big name.
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Lot o points [155973]
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Gotcha, and that makes sense. I dont see anyone
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Building out a 125 player 5 star mega team this way (because egos would also not like the depth chart issue), but it sure seems like it would be a way for a school to pick up a player or two that was too good to say no to, regardless of whether they were at 85.
Also, as you alluded, seems like a way to not have to care about the 85 player limit. You just move one star Joey Butterbean, who never panned out, from scholly to walk on and tell him the 110 society is going to pick up his CU tab, so that you don’t have to tell a stud transfer/recruit “no”. Hands aren’t tied by the limit, and you don’t have a guilty conscience about pulling a scholly, for coaches like Dabo who care about such things.
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110%er [9193]
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Not to mention in our case
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:35 AM
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We could move an in state kid, which is significantly lower tuition, and has the grades to qualify for some kind of financial aid… very plausible way to get around it and not break the bank in our NIL fund.
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Re: Not to mention in our case
Jan 21, 2024, 12:41 PM
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All of our in-state walk-ons who have earned scholarship.
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Re: Gotcha, and that makes sense. I dont see anyone
Jan 21, 2024, 12:38 PM
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Schools that are taking transfers are just cutting people.
but, yeah, seems like it would be legal to ask a kid to go off scholarship and make it financially worth his while.
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If a school's NIL org is willing to give a kid $X and he's crying about...
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Jan 21, 2024, 12:08 PM
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not having a scholarship then why not let the NIL pay for one of the scholarship players schooling and give that to the whineasz?
It just doesn't sound like rocket science to me.
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Re: If a school's NIL org is willing to give a kid $X and he's crying about...
Jan 21, 2024, 12:40 PM
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At one time there were things scholarship athletes got (access to facilities/training table) that walk-ons didn't get.
Not sure if that's still true.
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Re: In theory yes you 100% could
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Jan 21, 2024, 12:58 PM
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What about moving a lower-tier scholarship player to an NIL funded one, so that you could give the scholarship plus NIL dollars to the Sayin kid from Alabama……. I’m just sayin…..
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Re: In theory yes you 100% could
Jan 21, 2024, 4:52 PM
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100s of thousands of dollars can soothe an ego pretty good.
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Re: Hypothetical NIL question for anyone who might know.
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:35 AM
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I believe you could do this but it would eventually get outlawed. KInd of like how most of the old NCAA rule book was to premept things Bear Bryant was doing like loading up the golf team with football players
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Re: Hypothetical NIL question for anyone who might know.
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:58 AM
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The NCAA could try to outlaw it, but any such rule wouldn't be enforceable. The courts wouldn't allow it.
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Re: Hypothetical NIL question for anyone who might know.
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Another problem is, for better players, this is going to seem like a pay cut. That's because they would have to use some of their NIL money on tuition, whereas with a scholarship, they get to keep that money for themselves.
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Lot o points [155973]
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I think you could show them it's 6 on one hand half dozen on the other.
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:47 AM
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"We'd give you $100k if you were on scholarship, but we're giving you $150k since you aren't. $40k goes to Clemson and $10k for your trouble. You're coming out ahead".
In reality though, I think it would be a way to move a non-star player off scholarship and be fair by still keeping them whole, money wise, while freeing up their spot.
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Re: I think you could show them it's 6 on one hand half dozen on the other.
Jan 21, 2024, 8:24 PM
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That's not really a good sales pitch when another school can just give you X amount of $, without all the gymnastics.
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Yes, there's no reason they couldn't do that if they have the money
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Jan 21, 2024, 9:53 AM
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and the recruit is willing to accept NIL money instead of a scholarship. Every walk-on on BYU's team has an NIL deal that pays them the equivalent of a full scholarship. There are no rules preventing walk-ons from having NIL deals, and if there was such a rule it wouldn't be enforceable.
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Re: Yes, there's no reason they couldn't do that if they have the money
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Jan 21, 2024, 10:38 AM
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I apologize, I did not see your mention of BYU before I posted.
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Re: Hypothetical NIL question for anyone who might know.
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Jan 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
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Two seasons ago, all of the walkon players at BYU had their tuition paid. If the school has enough NIL money, the school can get around the 85 limit. I believe that is why you see the dawgs grabbing every four and five star player that they can. They will cut some but their NIL collective will pay the way for the others.
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Lot o points [155973]
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Yes, the Dawgs seem to have an above average number of
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Jan 21, 2024, 10:14 AM
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3+ star PWO’s that they flip from a smaller program right before signing day, and I can't imagine it's just the luster of Athens making them want to give up free tuition and housing that they were set to get at the smaller school.
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Seems like that scenario has a distinct possibility of coming about.
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Jan 21, 2024, 12:14 PM
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This is why a program NIL cap may ultimately replace a scholarship limit cap. If a program has reached a cumulative level of whatever the leagues agree on, they can either offer no more, or pass on eligibility to compete for league and CFP championships. An individual is still free to earn however much NIL the market will bear, he just may be limited in his options of schools - exactly like scholarship limits are supposed to work.
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Re: Hypothetical NIL question for anyone who might know.
Jan 21, 2024, 1:06 PM
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That is exactly what Top Baseball programs are doing to get around the 13.5 scholarship limit
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on a small scale, sure, it is already happening
Jan 21, 2024, 7:39 PM
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but you can only put 11 guys on the field, and if you have 100 blue chips, say 15 on NIL deals, they will leave if they do not get playing time, especially considering the staff will not have enough time to devote to anyone outside of the starters and back-ups, meaning they risk losing a year of development if they are not dressing or getting reps in practice.
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