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How exactly does this benefit Clemson or the ACC in football
Sep 12, 2012, 7:19 PM
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Re: How exactly does this benefit Clemson or the ACC in football
Sep 12, 2012, 7:20 PM
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Exactly...Thats what I want to know as well
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Looks like a stupid move. The only way to force ND into a...
Sep 12, 2012, 7:24 PM
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conference is for every other team/conference to stop enabling them to remain independent by scheduling games with them. If they can't schedule games, they would have to join somewhere. ACC just became the latest enabler.
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LOL ,no one was going to do that.
Sep 12, 2012, 7:33 PM
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They would ALWAYS have folks lining up to play them. The money just makes sense.
They will only join the conference (and make no mistake it would seem the ACC has positioned themselves to be that conference) would be if the playoff structure required it.
But no one was gonna stop 'enabling' them.
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It doesn't at all...Simple as that...***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:21 PM
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ACC is a basketball conf. Football is just for the $$$.***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:29 PM
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Re: No doubt about it. It will be in the catbird's seat in
Sep 12, 2012, 7:48 PM
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basketball.
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Savant [460]
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The majority on here do not realize that it did not benifit
Sep 12, 2012, 7:23 PM
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us...it hurt us.
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Ha... what dream land are you living in?***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:24 PM
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110%er [6978]
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Well then, explain the benefits please.***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:25 PM
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Honestly I think the upside is all potential
Sep 12, 2012, 7:29 PM
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Or at least from a football point of view.
The potential of getting them to join in football.
But honestly the only real downside I see is the loss of 1 bowl payout a year.
Doesn't seem like a huge loss, especially if there is any renegotiating of the TV contract based on it. It also does enhance the ACC OOC schedule which may help perception.
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Re: A ton of potential. Will not hurt either.***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:49 PM
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85_Alum you actually do not know the fine print in this deal
Sep 12, 2012, 7:29 PM
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Do you? If you don't then the first time ND takes our spot with a worse record in a bowl game you may feel it then.
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None of us do.
Sep 12, 2012, 7:30 PM
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We're all just guessing based on the big facts we know.
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No, part of the deal gives them access to the ACC bowl
Sep 12, 2012, 8:01 PM
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tie ins. Non-BCS only. They keep bowl revenue, but ACC won't pay for travel expenses. Avg travel expense payout was $1.5 mil last year so as long as the Irish don't play in the Chick-fil-a bowl it will be a wash money wise since that's the only bowl with a payout much larger than travel expenses.
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oh, I was wrong then***
Sep 12, 2012, 8:03 PM
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not, too much of a concern then, We have jumped GT….
Sep 12, 2012, 8:05 PM
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a few times when they had the better record, also we jumped BC one year when they had a better record than us. So I don't think we should be high and mighty about certain teams jumping over other teams to be in a better bowl, when Clemson has done that numerous times over the past 12 years.
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Savant [460]
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We are now officially the Big East
Sep 12, 2012, 7:26 PM
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When they took basicly the same deal ND offered us years back I remember thinking what kind of idiots the big east guys were and sure is the world now Swofford offers them the same deal except worse. Notre Dame is nothing but bowl stealers in this deal.
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Just sayin' WVU & USF from the BE whupped us***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:55 PM
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Like I've posted many times
Sep 12, 2012, 7:26 PM
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ACC football gets:
1) Change in perception. Don't believe so? Look how much is already being talked about (99% positive). May only be 5 games but with our teams being better and this addition all of the sudden the ACC is looking pretty strong to outsiders. There is no value on that!
2) A bump in the TV contract
3) Enormous exposure now (People around here don't realize how much ND football is followed across this country. Now that ND is playing a bunch of ACC schools, the entire conference is gonna be more scrutinized and well known. The brand is definitely going to be more recognized. All 5 of those games will be nationally televised every year too. People around here might deny it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true!)
4) Better bowl tie ins. Our bowl lineup will soon change for the better and it will be thanks to the Irish. Afraid they might jump us? Be a better team and we'll be fine!
5) More clout at the playoff table. Revenue splitting is about to be talked about. Swofford on the committee. ACC conference position is strengthened with Notre Dame in the mix.
6) Possible drop back to 8 conference games. Would be a big plus for the "football" schools or a great potential neutral site payday game in Charlotte or Chicago.
7) A great non-conference matchup for SOS purposes at least every 3 years.
8) It kills the Big 12 expansion and its efforts to be better than the ACC. Ain't happening now. Sorry dude!
This doesn't even count what it does for other sports. This is just a great deal for the ACC.
Plus if they ever did join a football conference it's the ACC and no one else.
Notre Dame really didn't get much. They're not getting any football money from us anyway. They would've kept the Big East tie in instead of the ACC. I think they sured up the future football schedule and added a stronger alliance when it comes to negotiating the new playoff. We're not giving them but 1/15th of the basketball $ that's it. A great trade off if you ask me. If we move away from football too this really really helps the ACC. I couldn't be happier!
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All I can do is shake my head and beat my brains in
Sep 12, 2012, 7:33 PM
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at what I am seeing some of you post about this situation. Can you tell me exactly what this deal did for the Big East because its the same one they gave ND and the Big East is saying a great big thank you to us now.
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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The Big East had no such football arrangements with ND
Sep 12, 2012, 7:37 PM
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other than the bowl tie ins, which helped the Big East greatly in some of their agreements so it had nothing to do with my 8 points. I didn't even speak on anything about the other sports except in passing so I don't feel the need to speak about that.
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Re: Like I've posted many times
Sep 12, 2012, 7:38 PM
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I'm curious about your 2nd point. How does it bump up the contract when their football program is not part of the conference? Plus NBC owns the tv contract to ND and won't share any money with the ACC.
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NBC only has rights to ND hoe games if i understand their
Sep 12, 2012, 7:26 PM
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contract correctly. That means the ACC will have rights to 2-3 outta the 5 games.
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That's correct and just those 2 or 3 games has people
Sep 12, 2012, 7:28 PM
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reporting anywhere from a $1-3 mil bump each year in a new TV deal. Think what ESPN would throw at them to get all their games?
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Re: How exactly does this benefit Clemson or the ACC in football
Sep 12, 2012, 7:37 PM
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Guess IT was Notre Dame's idea on the buyout raise then..but the Acc lost today IMO! To raise buyout but add a team because of it's prestige and only get about an extra mil a school is good. then i missed something..
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Re: How exactly does this benefit Clemson or the ACC in football
Sep 12, 2012, 7:41 PM
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So...since ND is not a football member of the ACC that means they can avoid that huge buyout and actually join another conference in football?
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$50M buyout for everyone.....
Sep 12, 2012, 7:42 PM
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They have to play five (5) ACC games per year.....
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I wonder if that is part of the buyout?***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:45 PM
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Re: $50M buyout for everyone.....
Sep 12, 2012, 7:48 PM
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I understand that but in football they are not a member. I'm sure they would be some buyout for the contract of 5 games but I don't see them having to pay 50 mil to leave when they are not a member of the ACC in football. Maybe I'm missing something here.
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Yes... I think you are.....
Sep 12, 2012, 7:51 PM
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What major conference would only let a team join for football and all the other sports be with another conference? Or visa versa? It's a multi level deal, with the exception of football with a minimum of five (5) games there. If they want out for either it's $50M....
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Re: $50M buyout for everyone.....
Sep 12, 2012, 7:55 PM
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well maybe you don't see it but I've already read 4 reports from Conf comms, ESPN et al and they all say 50 mil buyout starting NOW and for everyone including ND and BTW I hate the buyout. That was done to keep FSU and CU out of any other conf. MD too probably.
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Probably so, but they said as much that if they ever did
Sep 12, 2012, 7:45 PM
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join for football it'd be the ACC. Plus they probably wouldn't want to split their sports up like that. That'd be a million to one shot if they did. Never say never though.
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Re: How exactly does this benefit Clemson or the ACC in football
Sep 12, 2012, 7:44 PM
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IT DON'T!
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ND is the only one that benefits....
Sep 12, 2012, 7:51 PM
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The NBC contract in only thru 2016 season. ND knows that their football audience has decreased yealy. HOw often will Clemson play them in the next 5 years and just how much cut will they get from the game? Plus, ND has 27 months to exit the Big East, so, the ACC could recieve little benefits from football. I think they realize that NBC contract is not going to as attractive then.
Odds are high for an ACC team to win NC in baseball and basketball. Even if they don't win it, plenty of ACC teams get into the NCAA basketball tourney,,,and everytime one wins a game, the money increases. ND will be getting a cut of that money and other ACC teams lose some of their cut.
This is a horrible move that will hurt the ACC in the longrun.
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geez
Sep 12, 2012, 7:55 PM
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The 50m exit fee is exorbitant... But it's times like this that I'm thankful our fanbase is filled with the great people I interact with at tailgates and not solely "message board guy". All one had to do was listen to analysts and fb minds today to understand this was a great move. Yesterday we were a conference in need of more exposure, better games, better tv, more national respect and better bowls. Overnight a magic wand was waved and each of those things were accomplished.
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Absolutely spot on!!!***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:58 PM
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National spotlight on our games vs ND***
Sep 12, 2012, 7:56 PM
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sighhhh
Sep 12, 2012, 8:01 PM
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Nd does take part in sub BCS bowl mix we have.
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Re: sighhhh
Sep 12, 2012, 8:05 PM
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yeah, their bowl history in last 10 yrs is just great.
2002 Gator N.C. State 6-28 L
2004 Insight Oregon State 21-38 L
2005 Fiesta Ohio State 20-34 L
2006 Sugar LSU 14-41 L
2008 Hawai'i Hawaii 49-21 W
2010 Sun Miami (Fla.) 33-17 W
2011 Champs Sports Florida State 14-18 L
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ESPN loves ND, even a mediocre ND***
Sep 12, 2012, 8:01 PM
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