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Rock Defender [53]
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Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 4:21 PM
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If you believe our race problems are actually socioeconomic in nature, why put up resistance when it comes to policy to narrow wealth inequality?
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 4:24 PM
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Really? To prove wealthy whites aren’t racist, give black people your money.
Socialism isn’t the answer. Reduced socialized programs is a better solution vs more.
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Rock Defender [53]
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That isn’t even close to what I said.
Jun 4, 2020, 4:37 PM
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It’s not about race remember? It’s socioeconomic
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All-TigerNet [13359]
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My bad
Jun 4, 2020, 5:47 PM
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Really? To prove wealthy whites aren’t for socioeconomic divides, give socioeconomically challenged people your money.
Socialism isn’t the answer. Reduced socialized programs is a better solution vs more.
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Re: That isn’t even close to what I said.
Jun 4, 2020, 6:17 PM
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There's no such thing as race. Race is a social construct, just like gender, which is just, like, totally intersectional.
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All-TigerNet [11626]
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What policy are you about?
Jun 4, 2020, 4:51 PM
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And what mechanisms would be used to narrow wealth inequality?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Eliminating regressive tax structures would be a great place
Jun 4, 2020, 4:57 PM
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to start.
Increasing the federal minimum wage one time and then tying it to the inflation index
Incremental things. Does the GOP currently have any policy proposals that would actually affect wealth inequality? Again honest question
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Rock Defender [53]
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We’ve had lots of “incremental things”
Jun 4, 2020, 5:07 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Isn’t that kind of just symbolic though?
Jun 4, 2020, 6:14 PM
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Oculus Spirit [78823]
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narrow wealth inequality
Jun 4, 2020, 4:58 PM
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From the University of California, Berkeley
1. Increase the minimum wage.
2. Expand the Earned Income Tax.
3. Build assets for working families
4. Invest in education.
5. Make the tax code more progressive.
6. End residential segregation.
to read more:
https://belonging.berkeley.edu/six-policies-reduce-economic-inequality
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: narrow wealth inequality
Jun 4, 2020, 5:23 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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So it’s not a race issue, it’s a socioeconomic issue.
Jun 4, 2020, 5:28 PM
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But all of the solutions pitched by the left are socialist and would never work anyway.
I’m waiting on a proposal from the right. Eleanor seems to think eliminating social safety net programs would be helpful. What should we do? Or are these issues just unsolvable?
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Rock Defender [53]
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I’m not pretending it’s an easy solution or that there is
Jun 4, 2020, 5:41 PM
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110%er [9646]
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Some see wealth inequality as a factor of effort inequality
Jun 4, 2020, 5:25 PM
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I'm white. My parents had a nasty divorce (so no child support) - so my Mom raised 4 kids on a secretary's salary. We were poor - tiny apartment, I remember often being hungry.
Anyway - I worked and took loans to get through college - paid them off when I was 28.
I'm not rich, but I've done well. I don't see anything I did that a black person couldn't do. Maybe I couldn't have gotten the jobs I got if I were black - I don't know. I know there are challenges to be faced - maybe facing racism is insurmountable for some - again, I don't know.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Did you just claim it’s lack of effort inequality but
Jun 4, 2020, 5:29 PM
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conceded you may not have gotten the jobs you have if you weren’t white? Looking for clarification.
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Oculus Spirit [78823]
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yeah, how do you know?
Jun 4, 2020, 5:35 PM
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it is impossible to tell whether he would have been offered the same jobs if he was another color or race or had visible tramp stamps
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I conceded that I have no way of knowing. Looking back,
Jun 4, 2020, 5:48 PM
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there were black people my age working at the places that I did.
Was it tougher for blacks to get loans? I don't know. This was a time when Affirmative Action was in full force, so I doubt it.
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 5:58 PM
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Because I don’t think you’re a mindless hack- I’d honestly like to know what you think...
Do you think we have a bigger race problem or or these problems socioeconomic in nature?
If the later, how did this happen, is it “fixable” without unlawfully taking from others, and how?
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Rock Defender [53]
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I’d say any amount of racial inequality is unacceptable in
Jun 4, 2020, 6:28 PM
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my book. Full stop.
I have many friends of color who have shared their experiences with me of feeling or being targeted by law enforcement for the color of their skin.
I’ve personally never been stopped or questioned by police for “matching a description”. That’s not something they can say.
I have no reason not to believe them as they shared their experiences with me.
The idea that someone needs to work harder to overcome racism is not something I’m fine with letting be the status quo.
Income inequality is another issue that has created unrest in this country. The pandemic has put that on full display.
Over the past 50 years the gap has grown. It’s still growing today.
We’ve created systems that allowed those at the top to take more. It seems our society is comfortable letting corporations be takers but not individuals.
The EITC is a great example of incentivizing work and improving the economy. For the first couple years of my working life I qualified for it. It helped me invest in my future.
The recent stimulus to the poor and working poor kept the economy from completely cratering. More will likely be needed in the coming months.
As we saw in the US in the post war era, a healthy lower-middle class with solid paying jobs can create a great society. It should be noted that in this period, legacies were able to be built by some but not all Americans.
Cutting property taxes while raising sales tax was a tremendous win for conservatives in South Carolina not long ago. As we saw when the recession came, that was not wise policy. It placed more tax burden on the lower class while alleviating it on the upper classes.
We’re at the cusp of an era where low skilled workers will hardly be valued at all. Automation is marching constantly forward. Sure technical jobs arise from that, but not all are cut out for such work. Coal isn’t coming back for example, and the miners probably won’t become programmers.
So to answer your point about “taking”. We’ve been “giving” to those at the top while “taking” from the rest for years. It’s fully constitutional and within our power as Americans to shift back in the other direction.
Property taxes can become more progressive, same as income taxes. Speculative trading can be taxed at a higher rate. Capital gains as well. Estate taxes shouldn’t be eliminated.
We can also incentivize companies to pay their workers closer to the rate of their executives while penalizing those that rely on social programs to make up for poverty wages and lack of or inadequate benefits.
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Re: I’d say any amount of racial inequality is unacceptable in
Jun 4, 2020, 7:15 PM
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Appreciate the response.
I think you and I are not that far off in what we would like to see happen, but probably differ in the why and the potential solutions.
I have zero tolerance for racism... in any direction. To touch on an earlier post, I don’t know how much harder it would be to get where I am in life if I were black. I can’t know. I can tell you I probably would have thought many events in my life were due to racism if I were black. I don’t say that flippantly. I’m being honest about how I would have reacted to situations I have been in, jobs I didn’t get, etc. This world is hard. It’s not easy for the vast majority of us, but there are exceptions.
I do not think the systems are skewed to the rich. There are absolutely examples of Uber rich not taking any income in certain years and beating the system (Buffett). But the tax responsibilities fall mainly on the top 10% of income earners. I think that’s ok for the most part.
I also agree with reduced property taxes to encourage ownership. And also the increase in sales tax to maximize the tourism dollars.
Thanks again for the thoughtful reply
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Re: I’d say any amount of racial inequality is unacceptable in
Jun 4, 2020, 7:24 PM
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We’ve been “giving” to those at the top while “taking” from the rest for years.
What is the meaning of the ""s? Because I'm curious what you mean by we've been "giving"? Are you talking about corporate profits, where you get something in return for the money you "give," or is it something else? Are you "giving" for things you don't have to give? Could you just refuse to give (i.e. you don't need to have an iPhone, or an Xbox, or cable or...)? Because the poster you replied to refers to unlawful taking. And I assume any taking (by taxes or otherwise) is not voluntary but forced.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I don’t like using giving and taking as the terms in these
Jun 4, 2020, 8:52 PM
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discussions when it’s really about taxes and subsidizing. Something we’ve done for those who don’t need it while neglecting those that do. I also am referring to what I believe is immoral hoarding of wealth.
We all agree that the folks who bought up all the TP during Covid are A-holes. Well wiped a-holes but a-holes nonetheless.
Wealth hoarding isn’t much different. It also makes democracy less democratic.
The mental image I liken them to is well.... Mr. Creosote
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Re: I don’t like using giving and taking as the terms in these
Jun 4, 2020, 8:58 PM
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Subsidizing vs wealth hoarding.... those are interesting terms there.
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Re: I don’t like using giving and taking as the terms in these
Jun 4, 2020, 9:45 PM
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dont forget "living wage"
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 7:26 PM
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wealth inequality , not finding that in the constitution
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 7:27 PM
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its just word salad to sign up useful idiots
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM
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folks immigrate here and make tons of cash trimming toenails , but the residents just whine about wealth inequality
boohoo
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 9:54 PM
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Holy ####. This is one of the most cordial threads about politics in many moons.
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Luckily for me I know you are intelligent, so I didn’t
Jun 4, 2020, 9:59 PM
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Fall for what was by design a loaded question.
I’ll flip it around and ask it in a similarly loaded fashion from a conservative standpoint...,
If you believe our race problems are actually socioeconomic in nature, why continue offering failed program after failed program that do nothing to better individuals nor communities, and everything to perpetuate a generational cycle of dependence, virtually guaranteeing said recipients a life at the poverty level?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Now that’s a loaded question. We’re trying to keep it civil
Jun 4, 2020, 10:03 PM
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in this thread my brother despite the best efforts of whoever the f ClemsonRangers is.
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Re: Now that’s a loaded question. We’re trying to keep it civil
Jun 4, 2020, 10:06 PM
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your playbook is old and has never been successful, see venezuela as a real time example
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Re: Honest question
Jun 4, 2020, 10:00 PM
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Family, Community and Education
That is the sequence and the problem. They all are hand in hand.
We are trying so hard to start a Charter School in Detroit. The City Council and School Board are out gunning us at every turn. This is private money, my kids won’t even go there, it’s purely a 10 year commitment by several families to support. There is so much vitriol against us and then we approach the YMCA and they won’t help due to the optics. Such BS.
5 of us guys offered to go downtown with our grills and cook burgers and dogs for protestors and homeless and they told me I had to have a permit and the permit it 2200 and I have to have an inspection and “appropriate equipment”.
I mean we are just trying to have a huge grill out and we aren’t charging. It’s all free. We have $4k in beef waiting to feed people.
So frustrating. I hate government
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Like the new logo Grady.***
Jun 4, 2020, 10:02 PM
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There’s always going to be wealth inequality. That’s a function
Jun 4, 2020, 10:17 PM
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of capitalism. There’s always going to be those that do anything to succeed, and theres always going to be those that are content with their current lower economic status. The prospect of wealth gives people motivation and incentive to achieve higher than they would have otherwise. That spurs innovation and invention and forward progress as a whole. There are systemic issues, sure, and those of color are behind from the start, but a lot of the issues are also about the lack of some people’s personal responsibility or drive to achieve higher.
That’s very cold hearted, I know, but it’s the product of a free capitalistic society. I’d rather fix roadblocks to higher achievement for those of color than try to stamp out wealth inequality.
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Re: There’s always going to be wealth inequality. That’s a function
Jun 4, 2020, 10:22 PM
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wealth will accumulate under either system, human nature
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Rock Defender [53]
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Thanks for posting this list. It looks like the US is coming
Jun 4, 2020, 10:56 PM
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in a little behind some Scandinavian countries. What do you think we could do to be more like them?
Despite this calculation the median wage in the US for 2015 is about 29,930 USD (~ 2494 USD/month).
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Rock Defender [53]
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Norway is the only Scandinavian country
Jun 4, 2020, 11:00 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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There was some tongue in my cheek there. You seem
Jun 4, 2020, 11:09 PM
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desperate for someone to engage you on this thread.
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Rock Defender [53]
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No it wasn't
Jun 4, 2020, 11:14 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Thanks for posting this list. It looks like the US is coming
Jun 4, 2020, 11:14 PM
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tell your useful idiots that you have a glorious plan to pay them less than 10K per year hahahahahaha
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