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Tiger Titan [48843]
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Amazing how we're starting to see (and will continue to)
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The "former" Trump loyalists who have made statements like, "I can't stand Trump now" and "I wish he would just go away" and "I wouldn't vote for him again" now losing their minds over this impending indictment.
"Hyper political DA! They're going after a guy while he's running for office! (LOL, that's the dumbest argument they have) Subverted democracy!"
Their blind adoration of this man never went away. They only pretended it did. Pretty sad when someone puts love for one man over any ounce of integrity.
Trump really could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they'd defend it.
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Well, it is ridiculous and petty….
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Mar 20, 2023, 8:15 AM
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In the big scheme of NYC things, don’t you agree?
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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So they shouldn't prosecute this crime?***
Mar 20, 2023, 8:27 AM
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Clemson Sports Icon [52889]
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I heard this am the Statute of Limitations for this is 7 yrs
Mar 20, 2023, 8:31 AM
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and it happened 17 years ago.
Yes it is politically motivated.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: I heard this am the Statute of Limitations for this is 7 yrs
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Mar 20, 2023, 8:34 AM
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Ummmm.....
This was just one of many for "individual 1"
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Clemson Sports Icon [52889]
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A check to his attorney could have been for anything.
Mar 20, 2023, 9:02 AM
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That check in and of itself does not make him guilty
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: A check to his attorney could have been for anything.
Mar 20, 2023, 9:26 AM
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I posted the check to show you the date(not 17 years), but you can read about it here (and why it was 12 payments of $35,000) if you wish, pay attention to who "individual 1" is:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Michael-Cohen-Charging-Documents.pdf
And you are correct, per the rule of law in the US of A, you are only guilty when a jury of your "peers" determines you are guilty. So, it's very possible that this may never happen.
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Oculus Spirit [43168]
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I'm going to guess that there will be no conviction***
Mar 20, 2023, 12:08 PM
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Oculus Spirit [43340]
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I'd say 50/50 between plea bargain and
Mar 20, 2023, 1:34 PM
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the historical track record of nobody actually ever wanting to hold high profile figures accountable.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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Clemson Sports Icon [52889]
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On the news
Mar 20, 2023, 8:59 AM
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Is it correct? IDK.
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Ultimate Tiger [35076]
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Clemson Sports Icon [52889]
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I just reported what was said on national tv this am.
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Mar 20, 2023, 9:00 AM
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I'm not an attorney nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: I just reported what was said on national tv this am.
Mar 20, 2023, 9:18 AM
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Let me guess, Fox News?
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: The "affair" happened 17 years ago, but this payoff
Mar 20, 2023, 9:45 AM
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The affair is not the "crime"(only in a spouses eye, LOL) and the payments were made once per month in the year of 2017, so less than 7 years ago. I think it would behoove everyone to wait and see what the charging documents say .... IF they are ever filed, which I still doubt a little bit.
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Clemson Conqueror [11371]
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Yessir - I was just trying to point out where the "17" may
Mar 20, 2023, 9:50 AM
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have come from that someone mentioned...
I didn't know the payoffs happened in 2017 though.
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Clemson Conqueror [11371]
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You know - the news I saw stated specifically that $130K was
Mar 20, 2023, 9:53 AM
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paid out just before the 2016 election - it's that payment that is being scrutinized. But that's still not 7 years ago...
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: You know - the news I saw stated specifically that $130K was
Mar 20, 2023, 10:01 AM
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This will show you how broken the internet had made us, but you can see an image of almost all of the checks there. Reading the charging document for MC lays everything out as to how it got from point A to point B. Oh, and he plead guilty, likely for alternate reasons, so no jury ever convicted him of that alleged crime. DJT will NEVER plead guilty.
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TigerNet HOFer [134316]
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LOL at Dem integrity….***
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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Whataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaboooooooouuuuuttt
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Mar 20, 2023, 8:28 AM
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"Der herp, if a Dem broke the law, that means Trump gets to break all the laws der herp!"
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Paw Master [17298]
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If he broke the law
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Mar 20, 2023, 8:44 AM
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then fine him like they did Obama AND hillary and write about it on page 17 on the newspaper. This is a joke, Dems are a joke, you are a joke, our country is now a joke. Thx.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Paw Master [17298]
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I agree, but send Hillary and Obama to jail first or admit
Mar 20, 2023, 10:12 AM
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to being a fkn hypocrite. One or the other.
Even more ridiculous is that the "keeping stories from the public" acts for Dems are conducted by the FBI.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: I agree, but send Hillary and Obama to jail first or admit
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I don't have to agree to that because I don't know enough about those cases to state that. I'm am positive that Sessions and Barr looked into any charges as hard as they could and if they had something they could make stick, then I'm positive that they would have been charged. And like I said above, Trump is not guilty until a jury finds him guilty and that is IF they indict him. I personally think this is the weakest case they have on Trump, hell, we all heard the phone call to the SOS of GA and that was CLEARLY election interference and I think the other easiest case to prove is obstruction in the classified documents case. However, I'll just wait and see what happens and see if a jury of his "peers" finds him guilty. Trust me, I ain't holding my breath as rich folk in this country get away with crimes everyday.
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Obviously it's not gonna make any difference for me
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Mar 20, 2023, 8:23 AM
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in terms of whether I vote for him, but if he is accused of a crime, I wouldn't call that a game-changer. People are accused of things all the time. I will wait for the result of any trial to make any kind of judgment.
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Sorely disappointed at the choice of charges to levy
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Mar 20, 2023, 8:30 AM
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A payoff to some woman for an affair is something Trump had done MANY times before. So he did it again with a couple more women just before running for President. And that's then a campaign finance violation? He has paid off multiple women before her. And probably some since.
Of all the things they could have gotten him with, to try and use this is a stretch. But like they say, Al Capone finally was nabbed on tax evasion charges, and not the hundreds of other charges they could have levied.
Anyway, we will see where this goes. DW4 better hope he never runs for office. He's paid off his share of women in the past too.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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It ain't the pay off. It's the source of the money
Mar 20, 2023, 8:35 AM
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And I would think all Americans would take issue with a politician using campaign funds to pay off #### stars.
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It's always the cover up. Just ask Nixon.***
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Orange Phenom [14755]
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Well... I certainly hope you are just as upset over the
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Mar 20, 2023, 9:51 AM
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$17 million of US tax dollars that past Congressmen have used to pay off the victims of their bad behaviors. Seems to me this is even worse than using campaign donations to pay off some ho to keep her mouth shut about a consensual encounter.
One could easily make the argument that these Congressional payoffs (and subsequent NDAs forced on the victims) were a form of "hush" money to keep individual House member's political careers from being derailed by their despicable behaviors. If they can prosecute what Trump supposedly did with Stormy Daniels then using US tax dollars to pay hush money for sitting US Congressmen should definitely be in the same prosecutorial line of site.
If Trump is charged with a crime then I'm fine with it so long as the evidence supports the charges. However, anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty can clearly see that for years there has been a double standard when it comes to Trump's purported bad behavior and criminal activity versus others in the political caste. Trump is not above the law but he ain't below it either and until others in the political caste are treated the same by prosecutors for similar behaviors then it all smacks of chickenshid politically motivated prosecutions.
As a refresher:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-harassment/index.html
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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Why does it always have to be a what about?
Mar 20, 2023, 10:05 AM
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You do know it's possible to hold politicians accountable for their behavior without demanding someone be "just as upset" over something completely unrelated?
Of course I don't like the cases you mentioned, but they weren't cases of breaking the law with campaign money.
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Orange Phenom [14755]
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Because it points out the hypocrisy of the system...
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I'm not using a 'what about' to excuse or allow Trump off the hook for a potential crime. People that commit crimes should be charged regardless of their rank in our society. If the prosecutors have the evidence on Trump for a crime then by all means charge him - I think I was very clear about that. But the only way to point out the hypocrisy of our current two tier justice system is to provide examples of it.
In the example I used - the Congressmen weren't using campaign money given by willing sycophant donors to cover up their bad behavior - it was much worse as they were using everyone's tax dollars. What was the motivation for this hush money? Was it to protect their elect-ability? As such why aren't prosecutors viewing these payments as illegal use of tax dollars as de facto campaign contributions?
There are plenty of other examples - especially in how the justice system has treated the handling of classified information by the political elites and those of us in the military. There are also plenty of examples of how the DOJ has treated one guy who is caught up in a process crime differently than others for the exact same thing - the only difference being the perps party affiliation.
Once again - if Trump committed a crime - time for him to pay the piper. But I do find the moral outrage and sanctimonious pearl clutching by the uni-party sycophants regarding Trump's behaviors to be the epitome of hypocrisy. All of us should want consistency in the judicial system - whether it pertains to Trump, the political caste or the rest of us peons. The judicial system shouldn't be a political caste, team red or team blue kind of thing and for far too long it has been.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108683]
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In the universe of things they could pin on Trump
Mar 20, 2023, 10:24 AM
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This is at the bottom of the totem pole. Sorry. Tax evasion, paying off unions, inspectors, shady stock deals, misreporting taxes, and they choose this. Why? Lord knows they don't want to drag a guy down for simply paying off a woman he had an affair with. There are many thousands of rich guys who do that, and it's legal. Nope, it's the campaign money connection that sets THAT charge apart from many, MANY others that would bring about far more collateral damage.
It's the same thing with Jeffrey Epstein. They could have hammered him with a lot more charges than the one they picked. This is unfortunately common with wealthy/connected people.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108683]
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My theory is it's much like Al Capone
Mar 20, 2023, 10:20 AM
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They could probably get Trump for tax evasion, but that would also bring down 80% of billionaires who use the same loophole. Can't toss the baby out with the bath water. Could maybe charge him for paying off some NYC building inspector or something, but then again, that guy will rat out 5,000 crooked rich guys in NYC. Misreporting assets on tax returns, but everyone does that. Even paying off a #### star probably wouldn't work, EXCEPT if they can trace it to campaign funds, there's an in there that doesn't cause 50,000 women to come out and sink a bunch of billionaires.
But really, in the universe of things they could pin on Trump, they go with the path of least resistance, and also one of the least egregious as well.
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I bet DW4 never used campaign money to do it.
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I still haven't figured out how asking for sex became worth a payment.
If that were true every guy I know owes a bunch of women a bunch of money.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Like I've said all along, DW4 never tried to buy anything
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those women didn't claim to be selling.
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Ultimate Tiger [35076]
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You mean it's not normal to fly across the country...
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to give a simple massage?
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Of course this is all political
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it is political that he was paying hush money, if he weren't in politics, wouldn't have had to pay
it is political that he's been out of office for awhile now, but now is when he is possibly indicted? timing coincidence?
if he used campaign $, yes he should be charged. Can't tell me that someone didn't hold onto this indictment until timing just right
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TigerNet Icon [152845]
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Why does now make more sense than, say, this summer? Or next
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March, when we'll actually know if he's the nominee, and it's election year? I don't think this was coordinated at some higher level or that the DNC is pulling strings on this. This is probably just how the DA's office processed things and when they got to the point of being ready to actually indict.
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Orange Phenom [14371]
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Strong points
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Me thinks that doing it now will cause chaos in the 'Pub party, kill all momentum of any candidate going forward because of a big bruhaha, also maybe incite actions that turn off moderates to the Pubs in general as well
but i dunno
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Bold move gloating on this so soon. Every past instance
Mar 20, 2023, 9:16 AM
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has resulted in nothing happening to Trump. This one will result in the same. Even if they do make the idiotic mistake of arresting him, he won't be found guilty. Guaranteed.
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Oh, you think it's a gloat
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I'm just pointing out how there's still a substantial group here who will defend this man all the way to the gates of hell, and that's sad for any grown man to be in that boat.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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There’s another explanation.
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There are plenty of us who have been tired of the man for some time and find this move to be politically motivated. The two viewpoints aren’t mutually exclusive.
I find it particularly grating because, as someone who really would like to see Desantis get the nom, it’s going to give Trump even more traction than he would have had otherwise, making it even harder to get rid of him.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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There's only one correct answer to this
Mar 20, 2023, 10:05 AM
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If he broke the law, he should be punished. Politics or not.
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Well, duh, yes.
Mar 20, 2023, 10:14 AM
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And that opinion negates nothing I said.
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Except if you are Hillary Clinton
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knowingly sending and receiving classified emails on a DIY email server also hacked into by CCP and Russia.
And lying about it.
All no problem. No reasonable prosecutor would prosecute such a thing.
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Re: There’s another explanation.
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You've had numerous opportunities to get rid of him. But when fellow conservatives actually grow the balls to stand up and say "enough", they get persecuted by you guys and thrown out. The GOP is a complete joke right now. The OP is 100% correct.
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Re: Amazing how we're starting to see (and will continue to)
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You still don’t get it
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Re: You still don’t get it
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LCheney is not a Democrat. Try again.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52889]
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Last time I checked (which was this afternoon) LC is NOT the
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DA looking to bring charges.
Try again.
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On 2nd thought, please don't try again.***
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I don't really get the mindset of...
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Why people would be MORE likely to vote for him, after this news. It seems to me the people who were already going to vote for him are just gonna be madder. Will this really convert change people's minds who weren't going to vote for him? Why?
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Varsity [104]
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Re: I don't really get the mindset of...
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His base (which includes most of the Republicans in this
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thread and yourself) were going to come out for him anyways. They worship him, as evident in the responses here. He literally tried to circumvent Democracy to stay in power, and he still will be your nominee. He should be irrelevant and an outcast from politics, but thanks to y’all, here we are.
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What an oblivious post
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He’s relevant because your confederacy of Democrat dunces can’t leave the topic alone.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: What an oblivious post
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More horsechit, he's relevant because he has 55-70% of the R vote .... PERIOD(see below) .... even after the events of 11/20 to 1/21.
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You’re getting warmer.
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Mar 20, 2023, 4:59 PM
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It is less than 50%in most cases. Now check the same polls against Dec/Jan, his support was less then in almost every instance.
This increase is based on nothing Trump or the Republican Party has done.
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If that were the case he wouldn’t be the front runner
Mar 20, 2023, 5:05 PM
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for the Republican Party.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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He isn’t.
Mar 20, 2023, 5:07 PM
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It varies by pollster (as we noted above) but most have him close to dead even with Desantis. Only Rasmussen (that I’ve seen anyway) has him far ahead.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: He isn’t.
Mar 20, 2023, 5:32 PM
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Jeez, hit the "see more polls" button, he is CLEARLY the frontrunner! It's from Desantis +2 to Trump +60+%, he is the front runner ... PERIOD. Y'alls problem, not anything that anybody else has done.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Uhhhh, I did, and my statement stands.
Mar 20, 2023, 5:34 PM
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You also continue to ignore the trending of these numbers which is the main point.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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This was Reply to you, Alum, sorry.***
Mar 20, 2023, 5:37 PM
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: Uhhhh, I did, and my statement stands.
Mar 20, 2023, 5:42 PM
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Again, hit the "see more polls" button, you are not making ANY sense (against your usual grounded self). Lets go back to your original point which was "He’s relevant because your confederacy of Democrat dunces can’t leave the topic alone" and this is blatantly IGNORING that a huge chunk of the R party still greatly supports him. DUH!!!! And I'm not part of the "confederacy of Democrat dunces".
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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I hit “see more” about 15 times and went back to December
Mar 20, 2023, 6:38 PM
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2022. You must be looking at individual state results to see the massive numbers you’re quoting. Those are completely irrelevant compared to the national ones, so I’m looking at those. I also filtered out any source with less than a B rating.
It’s a statistical tie, and his numbers were far worse 3 months ago than they are today. These legal proceedings are all that’s happened for the most part. Desantis has done nothing to cost himself support in the base and Trump has done nothing to increase his number, which has happened. If you think that completely random growth is organic and has nothing to do with this activity (I.e the left practically making the man a martyr for the portion of the base who thinks that way), I don’t know what to tell you.
Even funnier is that you’re acting like I’m blaming the Dems for these numbers as if I think they are unintentionally causing it, when I am actually blaming them for it and giving them some tremendously begrudging credit for playing a strategy intentionally to increase Trump’s support because they WANT him to get the nomination.
Those who say they don’t ever want to hear about Trump again or see him relevant (like Cata) and in the next breath seal-clap about these potential arrestss/indictments, are playing beginner level checkers while the rest of the (D) strategy machine is playing chess.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: I hit “see more” about 15 times and went back to December
Mar 20, 2023, 7:00 PM
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Jeez, I might have to retract my "your usual grounded self" line. You are stretching here big time, so I'll try another way. Here are Trump's "favorability ratings" over time since April 21:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
They HAVE NOT CHANGED .... PERIOD and were generally the same after J6th also (39%) and this says a great deal about the base ...... PERIOD. Like Cata said, he could actually shoot someone on 5th Ave. and they will not budge one bit ... period. And LOL to "the rest of the (D) strategy machine is playing chess". They could generally F up a wet dream, ever heard of the election losing term "defund the police". Lol at this level delusion. Your original statement is WAAAAAY off base .... period. Quit digging the hole deeper for yourself, this Fup is on the R party, which is now hugely divided thanks to TRUMP.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Why are you arguing with me about favorability ratings
Mar 20, 2023, 7:15 PM
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When I’ve been discussing actual primary polling and you also initially linked to primary polling? You know they’re completely different, right? I don’t give a rat’sass about “favorability”. Trump’s favorability ratings are far better than primary polling results and have been for a while. It’s absolutely possible (and I know several in this camp) who say “I guess Trump was ok and I sure liked his policies, but I’m ready for new blood and he’s a detriment to our election chances”. That’s a person with a positive favorability and negative poll result for Trump.
I seem ungrounded to you because you entered a debate about apples and started trying to discuss the finer points of pears.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: Why are you arguing with me about favorability ratings
Mar 20, 2023, 7:32 PM
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JFC, I have now lost all the respect I previously had for you. Congrats! I entered the debate on your statement of "He’s relevant because your confederacy of Democrat dunces can’t leave the topic alone", which as I called it right below that post ... is HORSECHIT! The Fav. ratings reflect that his base will not leave him come hell or high water as they proved after the BS election stuff from 11/20 - 1/21 and that base is big enough to win the primary ... period. Trump will crush Ron D. in a primary debate just like he did Cruz, Rubio and the other clowns. And he can't win a general with only that base of support PERIOD. These facts have not one thing to do with the Dems and again, your original statement is BS.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Ok, so you argue using tangential data points vs ones
Mar 20, 2023, 7:58 PM
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With direct correlation, ignore recent trends over time in lieu of 2-3 year old data, and require the power of mind reading to make your point.
Yes, I can see how you’d feel confident in your stance and unshakeable in your opinion. Cheers.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: Ok, so you argue using tangential data points vs ones
Mar 20, 2023, 8:08 PM
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I stand by BOTH sets of data, which don't require mind reading at all, just a set of eyes and a brain to process the data. I'll take that you don't defend the original statement as confirmation that I was if fact correct. But yeah, cheers!
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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That interpretation is certainly your perogative,
Mar 20, 2023, 8:30 PM
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Option two would be that I might as well go talk to my mailbox if I’m desiring one’s ability to stay on topic in a conversation. Maybe next time we can debate motorcycle safety and you can drop commercial airline stats on me.
Cheers!!!
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: LOL, that's WEAK as hell man and
Mar 20, 2023, 8:35 PM
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beneath a man of your intelligence. LOL. Good night!
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: His base (which includes most of the Republicans in this
Mar 20, 2023, 4:15 PM
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Yep, T3, OBED, etc. blaming everyone they can except for the ones that created the monster ....... THEMSELVES. What's the old saying, try to ride the Tiger and you will eventually end up as tiger chit. Oh and I don't even think they even realize how screwed they really are, because even if by some miracle that Ron D. can win the R nomination, then Trump will run as an independent just because he can or spite or narcissism or REVENGE. There goes 20-50% of the R vote and then hopefully they will finally realize that the party needs to dump the loser and get back to NORMAL. And if they can get back to the normal small gov., fiscally conservative roots, then I'll consider rejoining that movement.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Please tell me
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Mar 20, 2023, 4:19 PM
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How did I create “the monster”? You have my curiosity piqued.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Yer high.
Mar 20, 2023, 1:12 PM
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I'm not saying their reasons are correct or rational, but this will push some people over the fence back towards Trump.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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The irrational Trump voters never left
Mar 20, 2023, 3:00 PM
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Ain't no one looking to vote for DeSantis suddenly going to change their mind and vote Trump over this.
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Re: Yer high.
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Mar 20, 2023, 3:01 PM
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Can someone explain to me why people are saying this would give trump a landslide victory or even guarantee nomination, because I just don’t get it
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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Can’t tell you about landslide victory theory
Mar 20, 2023, 3:03 PM
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Because I don’t buy it either. I think he loses in the general election to most D candidates, which is why I think the left is doing everything they can to keep his name front and center. They absolutely want him to get the nomination.
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Can’t tell you about landslide victory theory
Mar 20, 2023, 4:20 PM
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I really don't think Trump would win a state in the general.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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You don't understand how...
Mar 20, 2023, 3:09 PM
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The majority of American voters who can't stand Trump would suddenly shift the other way over his arrest? C'mon, man!
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Orange Phenom [14755]
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Amazing how we're starting to see (and will continue to)
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Mar 20, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Some people can hold more than one thought in their minds. You can hate Trump's guts, and at the same time understand that an arrest is excessive and politically motivated.
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 12:52 PM
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Looking at the excuses and the outrage, these are the rants of people who think the man should get away with a crime.
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Nah.
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Mar 20, 2023, 1:11 PM
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But you do understand that this is politically motivated, right?
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Orange Elite [5309]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 1:27 PM
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What would/should be the appropriate course of action here IF there is indeed enough evidence for a conviction?
Asking for those who voted for "law and order" and "drain the swamp".
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Orange Elite [5309]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 2:08 PM
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Due process should be skipped and penalties should just be handed out?
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 2:17 PM
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Seems people should be treated equally under the law.
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Orange Elite [5309]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 3:13 PM
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I'm confused. Are you for "law and order" or are you against it? Are you for "tough on crime", or do you prefer "soft on crime". I'm pretty sure DADDY campaigned on cleaning up DC and draining the swamp. I want to get you on the record, do we hold politicians accountable, or is it OK to look the other way on corruption and/or illegal activity?
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 4:30 PM
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I don't think in slogans, but I believe all people should be treated equally under the law.
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Orange Elite [5309]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 6:28 PM
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I always knew that you guys really didn't buy into the "drain the swamp" crap or the 'Law and Order" nonsense. You really wanted things to "continue on as normal." You guys never disappoint. 😆
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 7:31 PM
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'you guys' - I see the phantoms still live in your head
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Varsity [104]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 7:10 PM
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Tiger Titan [48843]
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Tossin' around them apples and oranges
Mar 20, 2023, 3:08 PM
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Obama was fined over how they handled and disclosed donor information. Trump is accused of misusing campaign funds to pay off a #### star. Different scenarios.
It's fairly baffling that anyone would want a politician to NOT be prosecuted here.
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TigerNet Immortal [176659]
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I still think you’re missing the point.
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Mar 20, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Throw Trump in the brig if you want, I don’t care, and most on this thread seem to be saying the same. You’re so quick to “whatabout!!!” any post though that references anyone else that you don’t get why it matters.
Imbalanced application of standards and laws is exactly why people scream conspiracy when it’s not merited and rally around someone who doesn’t deserve their support.
AOC’s boyfriend/fiancé/whatever has had a windfall few years from campaign funds being funneled his way, and it will never get a second look. Do I say that as a distraction to excuse Trump? Heck no, because it doesn’t, but if she (and others in power, on BOTH sides received as much scrutiny as Trump did and were called to accountability, people would start to feel a helluva lot better about their government.
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: I still think you’re missing the point.
Mar 21, 2023, 9:57 AM
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Maybe if Trump had released his taxes he wouldn't have to face what you claim is different level of scrutiny? Or if he put his holdings in a blind trust after he was elected? His avoidance - and resistance - to the customary behavior of candidates and Presidents (and they do these things for very good reasons) invite people to look for what he is hiding.
His financial shenanigans are well known, for years - from the multiple bankruptcies to the failure to reimburse contractors when he's short. It invited scrutiny that, I acknowledge, he likely would have avoided had he not run for POTUS. (Heck, I think he only ran to bring in more money - I don't think he ever expected to get elected in 2016.) His legal troubles would be more run-of-the-mill "pay a fine and go on living the high life" stuff. But he has oddly put himself in position of doubling down on the behavior to bring in more money. He's obviously brought these problems upon himself.
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Nah.
Mar 20, 2023, 1:32 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [33247]
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Re: Nah.
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Legend [6896]
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Re: Amazing how we're starting to see (and will continue to)
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TLDR entire thread but just want to make sure everyone knows there is nothing illegal or immoral about what you are calling 'hush money.'
It's done 10,000x/day in the USA - you settle with someone for some amount of money and they agree to sign an NDA. Both parties agree that the terms of the agreement are fair and both parties sign it as a contract. Typically the person is paid some amount in relation to what would spent by the payer to go to court.
Happens ALL THE TIME people and in many cases, like ones I have been personally involved in with my company, the person being paid is a POS and using the legal system for nothing more than personal gain.
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Hall of Famer [8144]
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Quit posting on P&R if you're not going to read the news.
Mar 20, 2023, 3:15 PM
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Nobody is getting charged with a crime just because they paid hush money to their sex worker to hide the affair.
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Legend [6896]
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It's just P now, but that's okay
Mar 20, 2023, 4:47 PM
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I know what you mean.
Some posters implied they may not know how common a payment with an NDA is (aka settlement), so I was trying to be helpful in pointing out personal experience. And I said I did not read the thread not that I was oblivious to the story.
How many NDAs have you signed or negotiated with another party? Any relevant takeaways from those experiences that might be in play here?
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Hall of Famer [8144]
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Mar 20, 2023, 5:03 PM
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And again, although more salacious, the fact that the payments were to cover up an affair with a #### star isn't really the issue. This is all about shady accounting...covering up the cover up.
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