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Letterman [191]
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Bracketology
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Feb 27, 2023, 10:26 AM
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Against teams that are considered in the field, Clemson has played 4. Pitt (W), NCState (W), Duke (W) and NCState (W). 4-0. And still UNC is ahead of us in the first 4 out.
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Win the ACC tournament and forget Lunardi and all
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Feb 27, 2023, 10:32 AM
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the bracketology/NET nonsense.
Just do it.
If Ga Tech and Va Tech can get it done in similar circumstances, why not Clemson?
The time has come. Things are setting up nicely.
Just do it!
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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It's almost like you're leaving a lot of the games out.***
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Feb 27, 2023, 10:33 AM
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TigerNet Elite [69794]
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Strength of schedule rankings: UNC = 32, Clemson = 75...
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Feb 27, 2023, 10:47 AM
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North Carolina also beat the pi$$ out of Clemson in the only head-to-head match-up.
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Commissioner [1225]
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Re: Strength of schedule rankings: UNC = 32, Clemson = 75...
Feb 27, 2023, 11:26 AM
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If the Tarheels get in, it's due to their blue blood status. They have 1 quad 1 win and in past years teams have been in the 30's in the net and the lack of quad 1 W's kept them out.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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They're currently on the outside looking in, but should...
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Feb 27, 2023, 11:38 AM
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they get in, it will be because they end the year and ACCT in similar fashion to what they did in 2022.
It earned them an 8th seed and gifted the ACC its 5th team for '22 with Notre Dame a play in participant.
The ACC is currently projected with 5 again, that's terrible, and it's happening in a once proud conference with 15 members.
Big12 9
SEC 8
B1G 8
None of those Conferences sport as many members, nor the ACC's pedigree.
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Ring of Honor [23174]
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I like you better when you're
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Feb 27, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Semi-lucid...or 'toned-down sarcastic'. This straight up legit thought is troubling to me. Please...please revert to form. Voice of Reason is not a good look. 
And a straight-up 'Happy Monday', btw!
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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Good morning, Salty. I enjoy jocular #metoo, but it seems...
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Feb 27, 2023, 11:47 AM
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fornifications of the truths are on the rise, fabrications afoot, and must not be tolerated.
Integrity in all things.
Oh, and happy Monday.
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Ring of Honor [23174]
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Re: Good morning, Salty. I enjoy jocular #metoo, but it seems...
Feb 27, 2023, 1:07 PM
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Are you talking about DC? Politics? I thought this was hoops related! 
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TigerNet Elite [69794]
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The media-led narrative...
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Feb 27, 2023, 12:13 PM
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that the ACC is a weak basketball conference is a complete load and frankly, I'm sick of hearing it.
You hear this same bull$#!7 virtually every time a national analyst is discussing the NCAAT and that is reflected in the rankings, because the pollsters are listening to this same garbage.
What you don't hear is that the ACC came out on top of the Big Ten in the annual ACC/B1G challenge, a result that included the league’s 14th-place team, Notre Dame, putting an 18-point beatdown on Tom Izzo’s Michigan State Spartans.
You also won't hear that teams like NC State and Pittsburgh are much different teams than they were several weeks ago. They have improved significantly now that their lineups, aided by the transfer portal, have established a chemistry and identity.
Something else you're not going to hear is that last year, despite a cumulative NET of No. 5 that resulted in only 5 teams placed into the field of 68 (the fewest since expanding to 15 in 2014), the ACC still ended up with 3 teams in the Elite 8 and half of the Final Four. That Elite 8 total was the same number as the Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and Big East had combined. So clearly, they got it wrong.
What you do hear is that the ACC comes in as the 7th rated conference behind the Big East and Mountain West.
The top teams in the ACC are pretty darn good, but it doesn’t look like it if your evaluation is based on the NET rankings (which no one seems to understand), in part because the games in November and December are weighted differently than the games are once conference play begins.
So is it perception or reality that the ACC is down? Are some historically great teams having bad years? Absolutely! Have some of the ACC's brand name programs failed to lived up to preseason expectations? Yes they have. Are there four elite teams in the league right now?. No. Is there a lot of parity within the league among a lot of really good teams? Without question.
You never hear that about the Big Ten or the Big XII or the SEC.
The top teams in the ACC can play with the best teams in any league and last years NCAAT more than supported that.
End of rant !!!!
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Every participant is viewed through the same lenses...
Feb 27, 2023, 12:20 PM
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RPI
NET
KP
BPI
KPI
SOR
Team O
Team D
It's not a conspiracy, it's math. They are all useful tools, NET is spoken of more often because it replaced RPI, which is still used and present on team sheets.
All "they" are doing is reporting the news based on the math tools provided.
I understand it pisses off the dumb, because they're easily confused.
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I'm reminded of an old song lyric...
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Feb 27, 2023, 12:31 PM
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"It's so nice to be insane, no one asks you to explain..."
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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This is just sports, and Dr. Lecter was a protagonist.***
Feb 27, 2023, 12:37 PM
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: The media-led narrative...
Feb 27, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Disregard the above, I believe those number might be from last season. If anyone has the records for this season I'd be interested in seeing those.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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You can access last 3 years, top left. It's a great site.***
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Feb 27, 2023, 1:19 PM
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: You can access last 3 years, top left. It's a great site.***
Feb 27, 2023, 1:22 PM
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You're right. I'm not sure how I missed that. Thank you. It looks like the ACC actually has the lowest NC winning percentage among the P5 conferences and is 7th overall. Of course, this is strictly based on the win/loss record and doesn't factor in SOS so take it for what you will.
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-conference![]() 2023 Men's College Basketball Conference NET - a ranking of conference based on the average NET Ranking of the teams in the conference.
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Ring of Honor [22746]
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Paw Master [16128]
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How about teams in the bottom 100?
Feb 27, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Just curious.
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Letterman [171]
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Re: Bracketology
Feb 27, 2023, 12:40 PM
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Clemson lost to Miami, so 4-1, which is still better than 2-6 for UNC. Unfortunately, they won head to head, which is hard to argue with.
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Against teams that don't have a Snowball's Chance in Heyall
Feb 27, 2023, 12:48 PM
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of getting into the Dance, we are 1-3. (Split with Loserville, and unfathomable losses to the Coots and Loyola-Chicago.) Those losses are dragging us to the bottom like cement overshoes.
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Orange Elite [5498]
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Re: Bracketology
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Feb 27, 2023, 1:54 PM
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Did UNC lose to Louisville and Loyola-Chicago?
No?
That's why, right there.
If Clemson had not lost those two games...
23-6, 14-4 ACC
No quad-4 losses (the BC and SCAR are now quad-3 losses)
Tied for first in ACC, with tiebreaker over Pitt
Far higher NET, et al. rankings than we currently have
Shoo-in for the NCAAT
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