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Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:03 PM
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All of these candidates are worthy of consideration.Jack is 58 years old and washed up.
Tim Corbin Vanderbilt Head Coach
Kevin O'sullivan Florida Head Coach
Gary Henderson Kentucky Head Coach
Dan McDonnell Louisville Head Coach
Chris Pollard Appalachian State Head Coach
Chad Holbrook South Carolina Associate Head Coach
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Lol washed up? Gimme a break!***
May 24, 2012, 10:04 PM
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:05 PM
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not as washed up as some of our fans.
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Obviously you do not know what a good baseball team looks like. Jack Leggett is washed up. As a fan I am entitled to my opinion. Give proof to why you think Jack is not washed up Deroberts? Hey Deroberts how many baseball games have you watched? I go to the games and I have been watching a steady decline over the past five years.I prefer Tim Corbin
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:12 PM
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oh yeah tim had a great year. and i saw, heard or was at every game this year.
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:19 PM
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I have been saying this for years. Jack can get Clemson to the post season. His teams can not get over the hump. I have never seen a Clemson baseball team struggle to score runs like this team. Clemson got swept by Wake by a combined score of 14-3. Swept by Western Carolina. Lost to Presbyterian. I can not ever remember a Jack Leggett team being swept by Western Carolina or Wake.
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Don't forget 2-18 against UVa***
May 24, 2012, 10:20 PM
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white meat!
May 25, 2012, 7:10 AM
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Per the immortal Frank Howard
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I'd trade places with USC in a moment right in exchange for
May 25, 2012, 12:43 AM
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a loss to FMU. Next thing I know you'll be telling me Tanner doesn't coach during games.
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If Clemson had lost to Francis Marion...
May 25, 2012, 12:56 AM
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you'd be all over the team and the coaches, regardless of what had happened the year before. There's absolutely NO EXCUSE for a team that's as good and as "well coached" as South Carolina to lost to a Division 2 team. None at all.
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Jack is washed up...
May 24, 2012, 11:18 PM
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Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand. His only good seasons came when he had a great staff. If we want to win championships, then a change must be made. 2 ACC Championships in 18 years should be unacceptable at a program like ours.
Our rival to the south has a championship calibre coach. We need an upgrade.
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What did the "rival to the south"...
May 24, 2012, 11:21 PM
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win before his school spent 30 million dollars on a new stadium?
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Well, for starters
May 24, 2012, 11:28 PM
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Tanner has won two conference titles well before Jack got his second here. Oh yeah, and those players from those National Championship teams were signed well before that 30 million dollar stadium was built.
On another note, UVA has won just as many ACC titles in three years that Jack has won altogether.
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No they weren't...
May 24, 2012, 11:45 PM
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that stadium opened in time for the 2008 season, and that was a year behind schedule. Tanner could take recruits to the site and say "See, this is being built and will be ready for you". All Jack Leggett has to show recruits is pictures and a dream. According to his interview with David Hood the other day, I think Dr. Phillips has finally realized that the new facilities at Doug Kingsmore are vitally important and he can't wait 2 or 3 more years to get started. Construction needs to be under way when the players come back in August.
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Just keep your head in the sand practice guy.***
May 25, 2012, 12:45 AM
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My head isn't in the sand...
May 25, 2012, 1:00 AM
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I realize the shortcomings of Clemson's facilities, unlike many of you. I also know that Carolina Stadium opened in 2008, which was a year behind the original schedule. That means construction started in 2005 or 06, which allowed Tanner to take recruits by the construction site and show them where they'd be playing. All Jack Leggett has to show recruits is architect's pictures. If you don't think facilities matter then you're an idiot. And if you think Clemson's player facilities are up-to-date with other schools in the region, then you're equally ignorant.
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Re: My head isn't in the sand...
May 25, 2012, 7:51 AM
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what was your excuse for Jacks lack of winning any championships when our facilities weren't "bad" as you now say that are. (Which I disagree with). They might not be top notch but they are still top 25.
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Re: What did the "rival to the south"...
May 25, 2012, 8:47 AM
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He accomplished more than Jack or Bill ever did in Omaha by making it to the championship game (and beating Jack to do it). You guys need to bring back Randy Mazey.
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It's a good thing he is washed up. It's nice when people...
May 24, 2012, 11:36 PM
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take showers. You don't have to smell their funk.
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Re: Jack is washed up...
May 25, 2012, 8:42 AM
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"calibre" ? What was your major?
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Why don't you give us proof to a decline?
May 24, 2012, 10:27 PM
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I'm not seeing it and kgpittm pointed out the facts a couple weeks back:
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=12162302#12162302
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I have mostly stayed out of the baseball discussion... [45]
Posted: Apr 29, 2012 2:10 PM
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I have mostly stayed out of the baseball discussion that I occasionally read on here for much the same reason I don't read or post on Tigernet as much as I used to... because most of the posts are short-sighted (retrospectively and/or prospectively) and full of whining. It's not a fun world to live it when you live and die by the outcome of a one-run 13 inning game. I love Clemson and Clemson baseball in particular. I'm disappointed in this season to some extent, but not as much as 2008 and I'm not ready to commit program suicide by firing/forcing out another legend like we did in Men's Soccer, Men's Tennis, and Men's Track.
I'm posting now mainly because I'm tired of seeing the comments that this program has been in decline since Jack took over. That is simply untrue and has ZERO basis in facts. Also that idea that our peak was when Wilheim left the program is untrue - unless your sole measurement for what determines a peak is ACC championships and you don't want to consider the change in competitiveness of the league over that time. Unlike some people that want to throw out random statements based on what happened in the last two baseball games of a 60+ game season, I'm prepared with some facts to back up the falsehood of the "constant decline" statement.
Here are Clemson's top 5 and bottom five years under Jack based on final ranking and tourney progression:
Top 5 (in rough order): 2002, 1996, 2010, 2006, 2000
Bottom 5: 2008, 2003, 1997, 2004. 2012 will likely be similar to 2003 or 1997.
How do you see decline in that? The best and worse years are all over the place. The best years are definitely not concentrated in the early years (in fact only one of his best 5 seasons are "Wilheim's players" and that one was his THIRD year after Wilheim, so more of his own players). The worst 5 are not concentrated in the latter years - in fact all of them were 1-2 years after one of the top 5 seasons (consistent with a turnover in experience).
Average rank in Leggett's first 6 seasons (one excluded for NR) is 11th. Average rank in Leggett's middle 6 seasons (one excluded for NR) is 12th. Average rank in Leggett's most recent 6 seasons (one excluded for NR) is 11th. That's Collegiate Baseball. If you prefer Baseball America, it's 11th, 14th, and 13th. Seems consistent to me, not a constant decline.
Average progress in playoffs in first 6 seasons is equivalent of Super Regional. Average progress in playoffs in most recent 6 seasons is Super Regional. Again, fairly consistent and not a constant decline.
I hate the fact that in our 7 great (top 10) seasons out of 18 under Leggett we haven't managed to win a championship, but we have THREE final four-equivalents (1996, 2002, and 2010 - another stat not showing decline). I hate the fact that Tanner and Company has been able to have the perfect storm two years in a row to win it. However, I also don't like when people's whining includes things that aren't true like that our program is in decline. It gives a false impression to recruits and fans in general.
This team is YOUNG and a cycle off of our great 2010 team. If the pattern that has held true for the past 18 years CONSISTENTLY holds true again, then 2013 will be a good year and 2014 will be an outstanding year. I expect that. If we're unranked in one or both of those then come back and tell me that we are in decline - but at this point all the evidence says we are the model of consistency.
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No surprise I hear crickets all of the sudden from you while
May 24, 2012, 10:48 PM
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you continue to post replies in other threads. Bring some proof or go away!
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Re: No surprise I hear crickets all of the sudden from you while
May 24, 2012, 10:54 PM
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Likewise bring some proof to keep Jack Leggett or go away. I am a Clemson fan through the good and the bad times. At the same time this is the worst Clemson baseball team I have seen in some time. Clemson does not deserve to play anymore.
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Game Changer [1910]
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what he just posted proved the "decline theory" wrong
May 24, 2012, 10:57 PM
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what more do you want? how do you prove a coach should stay? You cant promise somebody something that you dont know will happen like championships
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Re: what he just posted proved the "decline theory" wrong
May 24, 2012, 11:15 PM
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2012 Overall 32-25
Conf.
16-14
Home
21-14
Away
9-9
Neutral
2-2
2011 CLEMSON BASEBALL RESULTS (43-20)
Date Opponent Location Outcome/Time
02/18/11 vs. Eastern Michigan Clemson, SC 14-3, W
02/19/11 vs. Eastern Michigan Clemson, SC 7-6, L
02/20/11 vs. Eastern Michigan Clemson, SC 5-1, W
02/25/11 vs. Cincinnati Clemson, SC 15-4, W
02/26/11 vs. Charleston Southern Clemson, SC 19-1, W
02/27/11 vs. Michigan State Greenville, SC 8-0, W
03/02/11 vs. Wofford Clemson, SC 5-1, W
03/04/11 at South Carolina Columbia, SC 6-3, L
03/06/11 vs. South Carolina Clemson, SC 10-5, W
03/08/11 vs. South Carolina Greenville, SC 5-4, L
03/11/11 vs. Virginia Clemson, SC 5-0, L
03/12/11 vs. Virginia Clemson, SC 8-7, L
03/13/11 vs. Virginia Clemson, SC 7-6, L
03/16/11 at Presbyterian College Greenville, SC 4-3, L
03/18/11 vs. Duke Clemson, SC 9-6, W
03/19/11 vs. Duke Clemson, SC 16-7, W
03/20/11 vs. Duke Clemson, SC 9-3, W
03/22/11 vs. Elon Clemson, SC 7-2, W
03/23/11 vs. Elon Clemson, SC 9-2, W
03/25/11 at North Carolina State Raleigh, NC 6-0, L
03/26/11 at North Carolina State Raleigh, NC 5-3, L
03/27/11 at North Carolina State Raleigh, NC 7-3, W
03/29/11 vs. Georgia Clemson, SC 11-5, W
04/01/11 at North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 13-3, L
04/02/11 at North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 9-5, L
04/03/11 at North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 5-4, L
04/05/11 vs. Coastal Carolina Clemson, SC 5-4, W
04/06/11 vs. Western Carolina Clemson, SC 12-3, W
04/08/11 vs. Maryland Clemson, SC 12-3, W
04/09/11 vs. Maryland Clemson, SC 7-0, W
04/10/11 vs. Maryland Clemson, SC 7-6, L
04/12/11 vs. Presbyterian College Clemson, SC 7-2, W
04/15/11 at Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 9-2, W
04/16/11 at Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 7-5, W
04/16/11 at Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 9-2, W
04/20/11 at Georgia Athens, GA 5-2, W
04/22/11 vs. Wake Forest Clemson, SC 2-0, W
04/23/11 vs. Wake Forest Clemson, SC 9-3, L
04/24/11 vs. Wake Forest Clemson, SC 10-4, W
04/26/11 vs. Furman Clemson, SC 5-0, W
04/27/11 at Western Carolina Cullowhee, NC 6-4, W
04/29/11 vs. Georgia Tech Clemson, SC 4-2, W
04/30/11 vs. Georgia Tech Clemson, SC 5-1, L
05/01/11 vs. Georgia Tech Clemson, SC 3-1, W
05/07/11 vs. Gardner-Webb Clemson, SC 13-1, W
05/07/11 vs. Gardner-Webb Clemson, SC 12-0, W
05/08/11 at Gardner-Webb Boiling Springs, NC 5-1, W
05/10/11 vs. Furman Greenville, SC 5-1, W
05/11/11 vs. East Tennessee State Clemson, SC 8-3, W
05/14/11 at Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 7-2, W
05/14/11 at Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 8-3, W
05/15/11 at Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 3-2, L
05/17/11 vs. Davidson Clemson, SC 19-0, W
05/19/11 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL 8-6, L
05/20/11 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL 7-4, W
05/21/11 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL 8-5, W
05/25/11 Georgia Tech* Durham, NC 9-0, W
05/26/11 Florida State* Durham, NC 6-3, L
05/28/11 N.C. State* Durham, NC 6-3, W
06/03/11 Sacred Heart** Clemson, SC 11-1, W
06/04/11 Coastal Carolina** Clemson, SC 12-7, W
06/05/11 Connecticut Clemson, SC 7-6, L
06/06/11 Connecticut Clemson, SC 14-1, L
SWEPT BY CONNECTICUT
* Denotes ACC Tournament
** Denotes Regional
2010 CLEMSON BASEBALL RESULTS (45-25)
Date Opponent Location Outcome/Time
02/19/10 vs. Miami (Oh) Clemson, SC 11-0, W | P
02/20/10 vs. Michigan State Greenville, SC 10-2, W
02/21/10 vs. Furman Clemson, SC 8-5, W | P
02/26/10 vs. Wright State Clemson, SC 4-3, W
02/27/10 vs. Wright State Clemson, SC 8-6, W
02/28/10 vs. Wright State Clemson, SC 12-6, W
03/03/10 vs. Dayton Clemson, SC 6-5, W
03/05/10 vs. South Carolina Clemson, SC 4-3, W | P
03/06/10 vs. South Carolina Greenville, SC 7-5, L | P
03/07/10 at South Carolina Columbia, SC 19-6, W
03/10/10 vs. Gardner-Webb Clemson, SC 13-2, W
03/13/10 vs. North Carolina State Clemson, SC 12-7, W
03/13/10 vs. North Carolina State Clemson, SC 12-6, W
03/14/10 vs. North Carolina State Clemson, SC 7-6, W
03/16/10 at Charlotte Charlotte, NC 11-10, L
03/17/10 vs. Georgia Southern Clemson, SC 22-6, W
03/19/10 vs. Virginia Tech Clemson, SC 3-0, W
03/20/10 vs. Virginia Tech Clemson, SC 5-2, W
03/20/10 vs. Virginia Tech Clemson, SC 13-8, W
03/23/10 vs. Elon Clemson, SC 15-10, L
03/24/10 vs. Elon Clemson, SC 4-3, L
03/26/10 at Virginia Charlottesville, VA 4-3, L
03/27/10 at Virginia Charlottesville, VA 8-5, W
03/27/10 at Virginia Charlottesville, VA 3-1, L
03/31/10 vs. Coastal Carolina Clemson, SC 4-3, L
04/02/10 vs. Boston College Clemson, SC 15-2, W
04/03/10 vs. Boston College Clemson, SC 11-5, L
04/04/10 vs. Boston College Clemson, SC 14-9, W | P
04/06/10 at Georgia Athens, GA 15-5, W
04/07/10 vs. Georgia Clemson, SC 14-6, W
04/09/10 at Duke Durham, NC 10-9, L
04/10/10 at Duke Durham, NC 11-5, W
04/11/10 at Duke Durham, NC 7-2, L
04/14/10 vs. Western Carolina Clemson, SC 7-5, L
04/16/10 at Georgia Tech Atlanta, GA 8-6, L
04/17/10 at Georgia Tech Atlanta, GA 4-3, L
04/18/10 at Georgia Tech Atlanta, GA 11-3, L
04/21/10 vs. USC Upstate Clemson, SC 22-4, W
04/23/10 vs. North Carolina Clemson, SC 5-3, L
04/24/10 vs. North Carolina Clemson, SC 10-6, W
04/25/10 vs. North Carolina Clemson, SC 4-3, L
05/01/10 vs. Florida Gulf Coast Clemson, SC 4-2, L
05/02/10 vs. Florida Gulf Coast Clemson, SC 9-3, W
05/02/10 vs. Florida Gulf Coast Clemson, SC 7-6, W
05/03/10 vs. Florida Gulf Coast Clemson, SC 14-2, W
05/07/10 at Maryland College Park, MD 18-6, W
05/08/10 at Maryland College Park, MD 12-8, W
05/09/10 at Maryland College Park, MD 7-5, W
05/11/10 vs. Furman Greenville, SC 12-1, W
05/14/10 at Wake Forest Winston-Salem, NC 9-5, L
05/15/10 at Wake Forest Winston-Salem, NC 17-5, W
05/16/10 at Wake Forest Winston-Salem, NC 11-2, L
05/18/10 vs. Presbyterian Clemson, SC 8-2, W
05/20/10 vs. Florida State Clemson, SC 9-8, W | P
05/21/10 vs. Florida State Clemson, SC 8-4, W | P
05/22/10 vs. Florida State Clemson, SC 8-3, W | P
05/26/10 N.C. State* Greensboro, NC 13-8, L
5/28/10 Virginia Tech* Greensboro, NC 9-8, L
05/29/10 Georgia Tech* Greensboro, NC 9-3, W
06/04/10 Southern Miss** Auburn, AL 10-1, W
06/05/10 Auburn** Auburn, AL 5-2, W
06/06/10 Auburn** Auburn, AL 11-10, L
06/07/10 Auburn** Auburn, AL 13-7, W
06/12/10 Alabama% Clemson, SC 5-4, L | P
06/13/10 Alabama% Clemson, SC 19-5, W | P
06/14/10 Alabama% Clemson, SC 8-6, W | P
06/20/10 Arizona State$ Omaha, NE 6-3, W | P
06/22/10 Oklahoma$ Omaha, NE 6-4, W | P
06/25/10 South Carolina$ Omaha, NE 5-1, L
06/26/10 South Carolina$ Omaha, NE 4-3, L
SWEPT BY THE GAMECOCKS IN OMAHA
* Denotes ACC Tournament
** Denotes Regional
% Denotes Super Regional
$ Denotes College World Series
2009 CU BASEBALL RESULTS (44-22)
Date Opponent Location Outcome/Time
02/20/09 vs. Charlotte Clemson, SC 8-3, W | P
02/21/09 vs. Charlotte Clemson, SC 4-0, W
02/22/09 vs. Charlotte Clemson, SC 6-5, W
02/25/09 vs. Wofford Clemson, SC 8-2, W
02/28/09 vs. South Carolina Clemson, SC 3-1, L | P
03/03/09 Furman Clemson, SC 4-2, L
03/04/09 vs. UNC Asheville Clemson, SC 17-2, W
03/06/09 at North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 5-4, W
03/07/09 at North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 5-2, L
03/08/09 at North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 9-8, L
03/10/09 vs. Michigan State Clemson, SC 15-2, W
03/11/09 vs. Michigan State Greenville, SC 6-1, W
03/13/09 vs. Wake Forest Clemson, SC 4-1, W
03/14/09 vs. Wake Forest Clemson, SC 6-1, W
03/15/09 vs. Wake Forest Clemson, SC 7-3, W
03/17/09 vs. Presbyterian Clemson, SC 8-0, W
03/18/09 vs. USC Upstate Clemson, SC 14-0, W
03/20/09 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL 5-2, L
03/21/09 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL 8-7, W
03/22/09 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL 7-4, L
03/24/09 vs. Elon Clemson, SC 5-3, W
03/25/09 vs. Elon Clemson, SC 8-7, W
03/27/09 at Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 13-1, L
03/28/09 at Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 7-6, W
03/29/09 at Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 5-3, W
03/31/09 at Georgia Athens, GA 6-5, L
04/01/09 vs. Georgia Clemson, SC 4-2, L
04/03/09 vs. Duke Clemson, SC 7-3, W | P
04/04/09 vs. Duke Clemson, SC 10-7, L | P
04/05/09 vs. Duke Clemson, SC 10-1, W
04/07/09 at South Carolina Clemson, SC 7-6, L
04/08/09 vs. South Carolina Clemson, SC 7-5, W | P
04/10/09 vs. Miami Clemson, SC 12-8, L
04/11/09 vs. Miami Clemson, SC 9-1, W | P
04/12/09 vs. Miami Clemson, SC 9-6, W
04/14/09 at Western Carolina Cullowhee, NC 10-1, W
04/15/09 vs. Western Carolina Clemson, SC 13-2, W
04/17/09 at Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 5-2, L
04/18/09 at Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 7-3, L
04/19/09 at Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 8-1, W
04/21/09 vs. Coastal Carolina Clemson, SC 5-3, W
04/22/09 at South Carolina Columbia, SC 12-2, W
04/24/09 vs. Georgia Tech Clemson, SC 5-4, L
04/25/09 vs. Georgia Tech Clemson, SC 8-5, W
04/26/09 vs. Georgia Tech Clemson, SC 6-3, W
05/02/09 vs. Maryland Clemson, SC 11-2, W
05/03/09 vs. Maryland Clemson, SC 7-4, W
05/04/09 vs. Maryland Clemson, SC 8-6, L
05/08/09 vs. UNC-Wilmington Clemson, SC 13-2, W
05/09/09 vs. UNC-Wilmington Clemson, SC 11-3, W
05/10/09 vs. UNC-Wilmington Clemson, SC 4-3, L
05/11/09 vs. Furman Greenville, SC 8-5, W
05/12/09 vs. College of Charleston Clemson, SC 5-2, W
05/14/09 at North Carolina State Raleigh, NC 13-8, W
05/15/09 at North Carolina State Raleigh, NC 11-5, W
05/16/09 at North Carolina State Raleigh, NC 5-4, W
05/20/09 Virginia* Durham, NC 6-5, L
05/21/09 Duke* Durham, NC 10-4, L
05/22/09 North Carolina* Durham, NC 4-3, W
05/29/09 Tennessee Tech** Clemson, S.C. 5-4, W | P
06/01/09 Oklahoma State** Clemson, S.C. 3-2, L
06/05/09 Tennessee Tech** Clemson, S.C. 10-0, W | P
06/06/09 Oklahoma State** Clemson, S.C. 15-1, W | P
06/07/09 Oklahoma State** Clemson, S.C. 6-5, W | P
06/06/09 Arizona State% Tempe, AZ 7-4, L
06/07/09 Arizona State% Tempe, AZ 8-2, L
SWEPT BY ARIZONA STATE IN SUPER REGIONALS
* Denotes ACC Tournament
** Denotes Regional
% Denotes Super Regional
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Orange Elite [5132]
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What does that have to do with anything?
May 25, 2012, 3:43 AM
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My post proves that wrong.
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Game Changer [1910]
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i see 2 40+ win seasons and then one down season
May 25, 2012, 8:33 AM
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did you want Dabo fired after 2010 6-7 season? good thing he wasnt, because we won 10 and the ACC the next season
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Game Changer [1646]
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Re: Why don't you give us proof to a decline?
May 25, 2012, 12:49 AM
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3 of top 5 in a 5 year window. 1 of top 5 in 5 years since. The 2 worst in the last 4 years. Seems like a decline to me. JL should have built of the momentum of the Baker,MJ, Greene years. Instead his assistant coaches got hired away and we faded.
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Die-Hard [8977]
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He tried...
May 25, 2012, 1:08 AM
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but was decimated by the draft in 2002 and had a recruiting coordinator that was more interested in boosting his own reputation than he was in actually recruiting players. You see, Sully has the ridiculous idea that losing incoming freshmen to the draft is somehow a GOOD THING. Or, at least he did when he was at Clemson. I notice that once he got to Florida, he made REAL sure that Karston Whitson got to campus, even though he was a first-round draft pick. I wonder why no first-rounders (or even some 14th and 15th rounders) made it to Clemson while he was the recruiting coordinator.
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: He tried...
May 25, 2012, 7:59 AM
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lol
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All-Conference [417]
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Re: you prefer a coach that has a losing record***
May 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Overall
31-25
Conf.
16-14
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CU Guru [1519]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:07 PM
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Jack could take you out.
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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Leggett isn't going anywhere so give it up troll***
May 24, 2012, 10:15 PM
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All-Conference [417]
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Re: Leggett isn't going anywhere so give it up troll***
May 24, 2012, 10:21 PM
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We will see. Alot of you will be eating crow. If Jack isn't going anywhere then Clemson isn't going anywhere.
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Dynasty Maker [3389]
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Well go ahead and put me in w/the crow eaters. Also, let me
May 24, 2012, 10:32 PM
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know when and why I will be eating it. This should be good!
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National Champion [7219]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 10:25 PM
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Have we asked any of these guys if they would like to leave their present coaching job?
Have any of them said they would come on board as soon as their season ended?
Has Jack even hinted at leaving?
If you were one of the above,would you leave your present gig just because Clemson came calling?
I would think that of right now the answer to these questions is a big NO.
So since this is your list you get to pick which one you would hire if they all said yes to coaching Clemson.
Remember ,you can only pick one!
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Game Changer [1646]
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Maybe ny of them except Sully. He is set.***
May 25, 2012, 12:51 AM
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Die-Hard [8977]
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There isn't an opening...
May 24, 2012, 11:06 PM
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and there won't be any time soon, so drop it.
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Rooter [220]
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Give me Brian O'Connor from UVA
May 24, 2012, 11:20 PM
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He has single handedly made Jack Leggett his b!tch, as UVA has won 18 of the last 20 games in the series. Not bad for a program that was close to being shut down before he arrived.
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Die-Hard [8977]
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Yeah...
May 24, 2012, 11:25 PM
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and they've spent millions on their facility. Much more than Clemson has spent.
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Rooter [220]
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Lame excuse...
May 24, 2012, 11:30 PM
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I've been to their ballpark. Nice, but not anywhere near DKS. We've had the facilities to be successful, just not the coaching.
I'd take O'Connor in a heartbeat over Leggett.
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Die-Hard [8977]
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Wrong...
May 24, 2012, 11:42 PM
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their player facilities are WAY ahead of Clemson's. As are the ones in Chapel Hill. Doug Kingsmore looks good, and it's great for the fans and the media, but the player facilities are not even close to many of Clemson's rivals.
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: Lame excuse...
May 25, 2012, 7:54 AM
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Just let him keep his head in the sand. He speaks about facilities as if we are on par with Greenville Tech.
The Jack Leggett fan club is excellent at making excuses.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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Candidate to replace Jack Leggett = Jack Leggett….
May 24, 2012, 11:33 PM
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he ain't going nowhere get over it.
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Varsity [104]
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I think you are correct...
May 25, 2012, 12:47 AM
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The absolute worst case, and I don't think it will happen, is that we lose two more and get left out of the tournament. But even then, Jack will not be fired.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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yeah Tim Corbin the guy with a losing record at Vandy***
May 24, 2012, 11:34 PM
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Re: yeah Tim Corbin the guy with a losing record at Vandy***
May 24, 2012, 11:37 PM
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I seriously do not understand the love affair with that guy. Considering how people here cannot let go of 2002, no way they would let go of a coach with the National #1 seed losing the regional to e Big Ten team while possessing the #1, #2, and #9 overall picks (in 07, 08 drafts) plus Mike Minor now of the Braves.
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Die-Hard [8977]
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Wasn't he the hitting coach...
May 24, 2012, 11:49 PM
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when Clemson "choked" in the College World Series in 2002? It's amazing that none of the Sully or Corbin fans wants to admit that they were part of that staff too. And he's from the Midwest, he has no ties to Clemson aside from being an assistant. I also seriously doubt he'd come back if Clemson fired Jack Leggett. His team DID just send Florida home, however.
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All-Conference [417]
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Re: yeah Tim Corbin the guy with a losing record at Vandy***
May 24, 2012, 11:40 PM
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Tim Corbin has a winning record. Know your facts before you open your pie hole. Overall
31-25 Conf.16-14 SEC is much tougher conference than ACC. If he can do this at Vandy just think what he can do at Clemson
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Die-Hard [8977]
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You're wrong again...
May 24, 2012, 11:56 PM
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According to Warren Nolan (I just checked) the ACC has the #1 conference RPI at .5757. The SEC is second at .5723. If you don't believe me, here's the link.
http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2012/conferencerpi
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Game Changer [1646]
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Don't care about RPI, SEC is the tougher conference.***
May 25, 2012, 12:55 AM
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Die-Hard [8977]
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Do you LIKE looking stupid?...
May 25, 2012, 1:03 AM
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Because that's exactly what you're doing. I don't care about your opinion, the STATISTICS prove that the ACC is the best conference in college baseball. Give me some PROOF, not an opinion, PROOF from an unbiased source, that the SEC is the better conference.
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: Do you LIKE looking stupid?...
May 25, 2012, 7:56 AM
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You are the king of ignoring statistics so allow him to do the same.
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All-American [576]
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Re: Do you LIKE looking stupid?...
May 25, 2012, 8:02 AM
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There is a difference between being the best in the regular season and being the best in the post season.
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Orange Elite [5493]
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Enthusiast [115]
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Apparently you do
May 25, 2012, 9:46 AM
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How is that for a statistic? What happens on the field shows otherwise? There is a little place called Omaha. The SEC has won 9 of the last 22 titles including the last 3 while the ACC has 1 in 1955. Did you notice 3 of the final 4 were from the SEC last year?
So you show us your statistics, we will show you our trophy case.
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Orange Elite [5132]
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Varsity [104]
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Orange Blooded [2303]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Corbin is No. 1
Pawlowski is No. 2.
We haven't had the same talent since Corbin left.
o'Sullivan will not leave Florida, and to be honest, he wasn't a great pitching coach for us. Not sure why everyone has selective memory about him.
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Paw Warrior [4940]
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why would Sully leave Florida?***
May 24, 2012, 11:53 PM
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Rookie [17]
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Re: Lame excuse...
May 25, 2012, 2:06 AM
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I have to disagree with you about our baseball facilities. It is very nice to you, but if you have seen the locker rooms and places for the players @ DKs, it is very un-impressive. You have probably walked by it several times at the games, and never noticed it. Compared to the West Zone it is a DUMP! I don't how Jack has done what he has with as little as he has had to work with. We are light years behind everyone else in facilities, not just USuC and UVA, even UNC has better BASEBALL facilities than we do. So give the coach a break and donate to the baseball team. They need it (obviously)
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 25, 2012, 7:59 AM
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Sully isnt leaving UF.
Jack will stay here until he is ready to leave due to their being no accountability in our AD. We will continue to field good but not great/elite baseball teams. We will continue to play poor fundamentally sound baseball in the field and basepaths. We will continue to make stupid decisions at the plate. We will continue to NOT win Championships due to the lack of fundamentals. Last but not least people will continue to trash the young men in the field blaming them instead of the guy who is supposed to be coaching them.
One Championships in 17 years.... That is acceptable for some.
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Orange Elite [5493]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 25, 2012, 8:11 AM
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Who has trashed the players? I've not seen one post about the players!!! Maybe I missed something
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 25, 2012, 8:16 AM
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That is the go to statement of the Jack Leggett fan club....
"He is not the one making the bad plays!"
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CU Medallion [18213]
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Candidates to replace Clemson_Tigers
May 25, 2012, 9:47 AM
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Any moron will do.
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CU Guru [1519]
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Re: Candidates to replace Clemson_Tigers
May 25, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Augie Garrido?
Leggett has guided Clemson to 6 College World Series appearances since 1994. Leggett has averaged an impressive 45 wins a season and only 1 of his teams has failed to make a NCAA Regional. He has been named a 3 time ACC Coach of the Year with Clemson and even won 5 Southern Conference Championships while at Western Carolina.
Top 10 Active Coaches by number of Victories through 2011
1. Augie Garrido, Texas....................................................... 43 1,817 825 9 .687
2. G ene Stephenson, Wichita St. ................................... 34 1,763 622 3 .739
3. Mike Martin, Florida St. ................................................ 32 1,673 577 4 .743
4. Mark Marquess, Stanford............................................. 35 1,422 741 7 .657
5. Jim Morris, Miami (FL) .................................................. 30 1,318 565 4 .700
6. Jim Gilligan, Lamar......................................................... 35 1,205 770 7 .610
7. Jack Leggett, Clemson ................................................. 32 1,189 666 1 .641
8. Pete Dunn, Stetson......................................................... 32 1,167 738 3 .612
9. Mike Fox, North Carolina ............................................ 28 1,128 387 5 .744
10. Ray Tanner, South Carolina......................................... 24 1,084 469 3 .698
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All-American [576]
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Re: Candidates to replace Clemson_Tigers
May 25, 2012, 3:18 PM
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The one stat that is left out is the number of National Championships Leggett has. The answer is 0. That is the most important stat of all of them.
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Recruit [89]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 25, 2012, 10:48 AM
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No offense but what makes you think Corbin and Osullivan would leave their post for Clemson. Also Holbrooks is basically a coach in waiting in Cola.
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All-Conference [417]
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Calling all Jack Leggett apologists
May 25, 2012, 2:18 PM
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The Jack Leggett fan club members need to watch the game on FSN at 3pm. Watch the way Jack calls the game. The pitcher he starts. When he pulls the pitcher. How many batters will he allow the starter to walk before he pulls them out? Jack Leggett will find a way to blow the FSU game.
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Addict [413]
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Re: Candidates to replace Jack Leggett
May 25, 2012, 2:23 PM
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granted...I don't know anything really about baseball coaching status/carousel but why would FLA or Kentucky coaches come here right now? They are both about to be national seeds
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