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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 22, 2012, 11:32 PM
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go away when they prove they are not worthy. Corbin is sitting at 18-22 this year. Pawlowski is 21-19 and coming off getting swept by SC.
Sully is the only one we should consider in the future, when Jack is ready. However, Corbin seems to be pick of TNet which I have never understood.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 22, 2012, 11:41 PM
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No way Sullivan will leave Florida to come here.
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I don't think that's necessarily true***
Apr 23, 2012, 12:32 AM
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What does alma mater's have to do with it?***
Apr 23, 2012, 2:00 AM
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 6:40 AM
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Everybody don't love that smoldering heat in 100% humidity in Florida. Especially when your job is out side the entire Summer. An up state summer is a lot easier on a person in the summer than any where in Florida. Just Sayin!!!
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OK, I'll bite, who is his wife?***
Apr 23, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Re: OK, I'll bite, who is his wife?***
Apr 23, 2012, 2:08 PM
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Google is a wonderful thing.
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110%er [6692]
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Googled it but didn't really find anything.
Apr 24, 2012, 10:19 AM
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I find it funny that you ask a question sounding as if you know something no one else does and when someone asks you don't answer them.
Instead in the time it took for you to type the smart@ss comment you did you could have told everyone what you "know."
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 8:50 AM
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We agree on something! Sully would be crazy to leave Florida. Baseball talent everywhere you look, all dying to go to an instate school. Bright Futures scholarship money that makes recruiting even easier.
> No way Sullivan will leave Florida to come here.
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Re: After some of the rumors about the way Sully left
Apr 23, 2012, 12:01 PM
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Well tell us what the rumors are?
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Some of the things said about Clemson to Clemson recruits
Apr 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
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took a couple of players from here under some "questionable" circumstances. Some of the players that also played for Sully have made some eye raising comments about his demeanor etc.
It felt like there was some bad blood there and it seemed like Jack took some backhanded shots at Sully, but I don't know if the years have dulled that. Jack does go out of his way to talk up other coaches on his tree, but he doesn't say much about Sully.
But like I said, a lot of rumor.
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Re: Some of the things said about Clemson to Clemson recruits
Apr 23, 2012, 12:25 PM
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Don't think there was any bad blood. One of the players who chose to follow him to Florida was a catcher who would have platooned or sat the bench had he stayed here. The other was a pitcher who was injured coming out of HS. Don't hold me to this, but as I recall, Jack had to release him from his NLI, which he did. He played some at FLorida, but only a few innings. No point in getting upset just because two players chose to follow a coach to his next gig.
Understand that recruits form a relationship with the recruiting coordinator, not the head coach. Most D1 head coaches do little recruiting other than coming in as the "closer." The recruiting coordinator is THE GUY. When the recruiting coordinator leaves there is always the temptation to follow him. This was even greater when Sully left because the guys who followed him did not have to sit out a year, as they would now.
Yes, the word is that Sully could be a hard nosed ### as a pitching coach, which makes him little different than any other D1 coach.
> took a couple of players from here under some
> "questionable" circumstances. Some of the players
> that also played for Sully have made some eye raising
> comments about his demeanor etc.
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> It felt like there was some bad blood there and it
> seemed like Jack took some backhanded shots at Sully,
> but I don't know if the years have dulled that. Jack
> does go out of his way to talk up other coaches on
> his tree, but he doesn't say much about Sully.
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> But like I said, a lot of rumor.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 7:33 AM
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We still have to keep playing well, but I have been in defense of Jack this entire season and we have turned things around these last few weeks. Bats get hot and anything can happen. There is only one thing that is definitely true about baseball and it's coaches...You can't judge a team to early!! I prefer to hold judgement on our season until it's all said and done.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 8:50 AM
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We've turned things around the past 2 weeks?
Teams we have played that are good...
NC State- 1-2
UGA- 0-1
Maryland is Maryland they are not a good baseball program.
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110%er [6913]
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I bet you were this positive when we were 1-0 against UGA...
Apr 23, 2012, 10:59 AM
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a few weeks ago...of course you probably weren't.
Our record as of March 27th stands at 13 wins and 6 losses. That seems better to me than where we started the season. Correct?
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Re: I bet you were this positive when we were 1-0 against UGA...
Apr 23, 2012, 11:04 AM
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False I called it a big win and hoped it could be a turning point in our season.
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Re: I bet you were this positive when we were 1-0 against UGA...
Apr 23, 2012, 11:07 AM
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We have one series win over a decent team this year and that was Miami. Congrats to Jack for beating teams we out talent and SHOULD beat. That has never been my criticism of him. He doesnt beat great or good teams.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 12:16 PM
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Sigh there is a difference between criticism and "dogging" I have said numerous times Jack is a good coach but not a great coach. Once again you try and put words in my mouth that I have never said. I have not once dogged Jack. I have criticized him with factual and statistacl backed claims. That is NOT dogging. Just because I dont worship the ground he walks on doesnt mean I am "dogging him" or I "Hate him" two things you have accused me of doing.
I want a coach with a track record of teaching good fundamental baseball. It is NOT my job to find that person. I have never stated it was my job. I have only looked objectively at facts and statistics to state that Jack isnt getting it done at the level that Clemson Baseball SHOULD strive to be at.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 2:53 PM
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OK if you could pick a coach who would it be???
Your facts are weak because you leave out winning percentages. Name another coach in college baseball that has took every player to the CWS that has stay all 4 yrs.
How's that for facts
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 2:57 PM
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Winning % is irrelevant when inflated by wins over teams you SHOULD beat. I care more about beating great/elite teams look at that winning % the past 5 years against top 25 teams.
My facts are only "weak" because they dont meet your defender agenda. They are not weak to someone who understands the game and knows that fielding % and wins against top 25 and championships mean more than sweeping Duke and Maryland.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 3:20 PM
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What's jacks record against top 25?
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 3:22 PM
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After the UGA win it was around 40%. I haven't ran the numbers for this year since then. I will re-post after the season is over. Have a nice day though. I'm not getting into this with you again.
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Re: Funny how the cries for Leggett's replacements
Apr 23, 2012, 3:23 PM
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40%
Compare your elite coaches to that?
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Re: But he's not a great coach? Maybe HOF but not great
Apr 23, 2012, 3:03 PM
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In 2006, the Tigers captured the Atlantic Division title with a 24-6 record and then won the ACC Tournament Championship. The Tigers also won regional titles in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2010. Leggett guided Clemson to the College World Series in 2000, 2002, 2006, and 2010 as well.
Seven of the 18 years have seen the Tigers finish in the top 10 of all three major polls, and there has been at least one top-25 final ranking in 15 of the 18 seasons under Leggett.
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Legend [15216]
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I'd consider Chad Holbrook as well unless Tanner has retired
Apr 23, 2012, 7:59 AM
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by then and he took over.
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I would not buy season tickets again if we hire Holbrook***
Apr 23, 2012, 8:30 AM
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why would you want to change? 1 ACC Championship in 18 years
Apr 23, 2012, 8:45 AM
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getting closer to being a 500 program, a possible #2 seed in tournament,consistently losing to rival, 2 best players will be gone next year.
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Re: why would you want to change? 1 ACC Championship in 18 years
Apr 23, 2012, 8:47 AM
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Jack is a legend and one of the best coaches in the Nation HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HIM with facts.
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Re: why would you want to change? 1 ACC Championship in 18 years
Apr 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
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Well you finally said something that made sense
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Re: why would you want to change? 1 ACC Championship in 18 years
Apr 23, 2012, 12:17 PM
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lol sad
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what about Bobby Valentine***
Apr 23, 2012, 9:32 AM
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Re: what about Bobby Valentine***
Apr 23, 2012, 1:06 PM
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^^^^THIS
That way I wouldn't have to see him at Fenway anymore!
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Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 1:09 PM
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If you're gonna criticize Jack at least come up with some suggestions of people you would like to see replace him or people on his staff.
"I want a coach with a track record of teaching good fundamental baseball. It is NOT my job to find that person. I have never stated it was my job. I have only looked objectively at facts and statistics to state that Jack isnt getting it done at the level that Clemson Baseball SHOULD strive to be at."
What a cop out answer, it ain't your job to criticize either then I guess?
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 1:17 PM
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As a fan of Clemson Baseball it is. I am sorry that I have higher expectations than you.
Also it is not a cop out. I dont know enough about available coaches on the market to answer that question. I would love Sully but I dont think that would happen. I do however know that our current coach isnt getting it done.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 1:59 PM
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It's just like our presidential candidates right now. Everyone is willing to criticize but nobody actually has any real solutions to anything (like balancing the budget?)
But yeah keep playing Starcraft 2 and post empty messages on an anonymous online forum that neither help our team in any way whether positively or critically.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:05 PM
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so blindly following a coach that has won one Championship in 18 years is better? Also lol if you think SC2 jab is supposed to be an insult.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:11 PM
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you are putting words in my mouth, I never said I was blindly following Coach Leggett. I just am tired of people who love to criticize but don't have any solutions of their own.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:17 PM
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I criticize with factual evidence to back up my claims.
Here is my answer hire Kevin O'Sullivan. If that doesnt happen then its not my job to find the next guy in line. That would be TDP's job. I do know that doing the same #### thing over and over and over again expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:19 PM
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alright sounds good, we should start grooming Pep to be next in line then
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:22 PM
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And the same can be said about you.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:58 PM
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One.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 3:22 PM
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ONE???????????? Oh heck no you can't bring him here
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 3:26 PM
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He also has TWO in his short time as the HEAD COACH at UF.
So lets look at that....
2 in 4 years vs 1 in 18. I really dont think you want to compare those 2.
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 24, 2012, 8:10 AM
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So Jack has 1 in 18 yrs? your facts are alittle weak ther jr
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Re: Can always count on Clemtiger117 to comment
Apr 23, 2012, 2:59 PM
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Is it a fact that Sully is NOT available? Once again it is not my JOB to find a replacement. As a FAN I will continue to be critical of poor baseball.
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whoever posted saying
Apr 23, 2012, 1:16 PM
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The upstate summers are more mild than the ones in fla ....is a dumb ###....good god you can even stand to be outside in the upstaye in mid July and Aug.
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There are plenty of options out there. Sully still my #1.***
Apr 23, 2012, 1:19 PM
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Re: There are plenty of options out there. Sully still my #1.***
Apr 23, 2012, 2:56 PM
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Here's 117's partner. TI has come alive
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Re: There are plenty of options out there. Sully still my #1.***
Apr 23, 2012, 3:00 PM
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Do you do anything other than childish insults?
Is that the only thing the Jack Leggett fan club can resort to when presented with facts showing their savior in a bad light?
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Re: There are plenty of options out there. Sully still my #1.***
Apr 23, 2012, 3:00 PM
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everyone has an agenda, you included
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Re: There are plenty of options out there. Sully still my #1.***
Apr 23, 2012, 3:02 PM
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I do have an agenda but I back it up with facts not insults. Only thing I have ever called someone is "kid" in response to an insult thrown at me in the first place.
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When Jack retires in 10 or 12 years,
Apr 23, 2012, 3:05 PM
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there will be no shortage of applicants to take his pllace.
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How 'bout O 'Sullivan?***
Apr 23, 2012, 3:04 PM
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