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All-In [36409]
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FSU Game in Perspective
Oct 25, 2013, 2:10 PM
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Let's get some sanity back right now. If Clemson were tomorrow to play FSU again at Clemson, a neutral site or ###### Campground Stadium, Clemson would not be a 37 Point Underdog.
Plain and simple last week 90% the momentum and random factors of a football game went FSU's way. At some point the team emotionally was beaten and did not rally. Call it leadership, call it maturity, call it whatever you will, but 19-23 year old young men that have not faced and overcome serious adversity with some consistency can and will break when they mentally and emotionally feel they are beaten. This team broke and don't think it can't happen to any of the other teams in CFB.
That being said, I don't think this team is or was overrated or is anything less than it was 2 weeks ago. What is critical is what happens 24 hours from now. If this team rallies and gets back their confidence they will be the stronger for it. If, however they face adversity at UMD and don't rise up to overcome it, then I would declare them to be the lesser for it.
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We were overrated to a small degree. where we should be
Oct 25, 2013, 2:15 PM
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InThe top ten is anybody's guess. The top three are clear and there is a distinct separation
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All-TigerNet [10430]
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Like the post overall, but not sure how you can say we weren***
Oct 25, 2013, 2:17 PM
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All-TigerNet [11478]
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Well done. +1
Oct 25, 2013, 2:17 PM
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This will be the last post I read on Tigernet before tomorrow's game. I have been waiting all day for someone to say this. Some people want answers so bad they will make things up to be able to say there is a reason.
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All-TigerNet [10430]
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Like the post overall, but not sure how you can say we weren
Oct 25, 2013, 2:17 PM
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't overrated after what happened last Saturday night. We clearly don't appear to be worthy of the number 3 ranking that we had.
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Re: Like the post overall, but not sure how you can say we weren
Oct 25, 2013, 2:53 PM
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By that measure, anybody that loses to a team ranked below them means they were overrated.
I don't believe that we were/are overrated at 3 or 9. But then again, I don't really think that rankings automatically mean that a team is the X best team in the country. Even when we were 3rd I could name about 15 teams that could beat us on any given day.
Same with Alabama, Oregon etc.
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Re: FSU Game in Perspective
Oct 25, 2013, 2:25 PM
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vastly overrated. brought another BC quality effort in a really big game. we are top 20 and maybe top 15. no one who loses like that is top 10. no one.
what really gets me isnt the loss. it is we do these dud games when the game is the biggest. Bama, OB, FSU. Not sure what causes that but it is very troubling. hard to be taken seriously when that is lurking in the background
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I agree...good teams don't have dud games. I'll never
Oct 25, 2013, 2:28 PM
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understand why we continue to have these. Not sure we had one last year, and had honestly thought we were not that team anymore. Saturday proved me wrong.
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Orange Blooded [2760]
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One theory
Oct 25, 2013, 3:24 PM
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that I have had for awhile is we are good, actually very good, when we are the "hunters", playing the under-dog role is where we seem to have succeeded. When we are the hunted, we seem to struggle, make silly errors, don't bring the intensity, don't put up the fight like we're on a mission. We lack that killer instinct when we are the hunted. Maybe that is normal.
I think some of that comes from Dabo's background and mindset. He was/is an over-achiever, someone most people discount and he uses that fire, that burning in the gut to prove he does have what it takes, to win in the under-dog role. I think Bowden was somewhat like this, perhaps for different reasons (although Dabo is vastly superior to Bowden).
I'm not convinced this is the main reason as I'm still trying to sort through it but it keeps coming back to me as a cultural issue within the program. Or perhaps it just seems that way to me.
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Talent vs Talent, based on what I saw with my own eyes,
Oct 25, 2013, 2:27 PM
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we lose to them by 14 - 17 points. They are good. Better at every single position than we are, with the exception of QB...and honestly, I'm not sure we are better at that positon...def not based on what I saw Saturday.
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Re: Talent vs Talent, based on what I saw with my own eyes,
Oct 25, 2013, 2:28 PM
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we are better at qb but it sure didnt look like it last week. TB and the O was bad and Winston played very well
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Re: Talent vs Talent, based on what I saw with my own eyes,
Oct 26, 2013, 8:32 AM
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give Tajh the weapons (and height) at WR that FSU has and he would have had a similar night to Winston. Winston is good, don't get me wrong, but his receivers made him look great.
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Orange Blooded [4874]
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only perspective i saw was a total domination of the line
Oct 25, 2013, 2:53 PM
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of scrimmage by f.s.u.
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Re: FSU Game in Perspective
Oct 25, 2013, 2:55 PM
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Problem with your synopsis is that Clemson's 19-23 year old young men had faced adversity this season in playing both a top ranked Bulldog team,and a dangerous Thursday night game at Raleigh.
It was the young 19-23 year old young men of FSU
who had not faced advertisy this season.
Add to that a seasoned battle tested senior QB,on his home soil ,was badly out performed by a rookie Freshman.So who showed more leadership and maturity?
Care to explain that one?
And Clemson wasn't a 37 point underdog.That was the final margin.They were a three,to five point underdog on their home field.
What is your perspective on that one?
I think before you start trying to explain what happened you go back and watch the entire game.
This one was lost before we got on the bus.
How about that for some perspective!
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My Perspective is Very Clear if You Read
Oct 25, 2013, 3:00 PM
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The Clemson players got knocked down and they and their coaches did not get back up. I then surmise that this team must go to UMD and pick themselves back up.
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Re: My Perspective is Very Clear if You Read
Oct 25, 2013, 3:52 PM
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Oh,I read it and it was very clear.
Clear as the iceberg directly in front of the Titanic.
But if all they do is pick themselves back up at Maryland,there is definitly a problem.
FSU laid 63 points on a Maryland team that was riding a 4 -0 game winning streak,ranked #25 and looking for a confidence booster.
Now they are depleated.
Now is when Clemson not only should,but needs to bury someone.
They need a killer instinct.
They need to play like Thugs(which I know they are not) and bury somebody.
I would almost bet you FSU would go into College Park looking for payback.
Will we?
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Morbid - DO not understand your call name
Oct 26, 2013, 9:51 AM
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Your post is as happy as sunshine and pretty pink balloons at a three year old girl's birthday day party. With thoughts like these, IMHO it is clear why you enjoy your 100% T-Net rating which allows for no real assessment of efforts on the field. You seem to agree and be fine with the players and coaches quitting last week. In the end, this denial of reality separates the pretenders from the contenders.
Very few love Clemson University more than me ('84 alum) ... but last Saturday was an epic fail compounded by quitting and now compounded by denial. Let's call it what it is - "a bad loss" to a much better team who beat us at home with a very talented rookie QB and move on.
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Re: FSU Game in Perspective
Oct 25, 2013, 3:09 PM
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It isn't about what you could do, it is about what you do. We were dominated on both sides of the ball. It was extremely painful to watch, but the signs were there when we played NC and Boston College. But we had beaten Georgia, hadn't we?
If we had lost 17-14, none of these conversations would be taking place. We say we could have. But that is more hubris than fact. The fact is, they did just about anything they wanted.
If we want to be a top ten player, the coaches need to be recruiting and developing a top ten line... on both sides of the ball. And then build a team on this foundation.
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Re: FSU Game in Perspective
Oct 25, 2013, 3:22 PM
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Anyone who watched a handful of our games, with the exception of UGA (who had an inexperienced D), can't honestly say we LOOKED like the number 3 team in the land. In every game with few exceptions, the D still had busted coverages and assignments; the Offense would just go absent for several series up to whole quarters. We won games in the end because we had superior talent.
Once we played a team of equal talent on both sides of the ball, we were exposed. We HAD to get off to a fast start vs FSU to keep the crowd involved and give our guys confidence. That was crushed in the 1st 10 minutes.
We got behind and the whole team started to press... except our corners... which still baffles me...
This week will be a test of our confidence. The coaches have lost some and gone to basics and a more vanilla plan. The players certainly have lost some and need to refocus and plain work harder than the guy on the other team.
The fans confidence only returns with a victory over the Chickens now...
We're still a good team, an upper echelon team, but still a long way from Great. It's HARD to get there, but we start the climb again. Go Tigers!
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Not to make any
Oct 26, 2013, 9:06 AM
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comparisons, but UGA lost 35-7 to coots last year, and were right on the threshold of a national championship at end of year. Granted, their conference championship gave them that chance. Were they worthy of being in top ten after that defeat?
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Good post Pawzski - depends on what Tigers do rest of way***
Oct 26, 2013, 9:54 AM
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