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Game Day Hero [4289]
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For the 98.5%ers
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Oct 19, 2023, 9:47 AM
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Is there ever a point when it would be ok to question some of the decisions and be disappointed with the team's performance? Is it that Dabo has "earned" a longer time where nothing but sunshine is ok or is it a more global statement....i.e. a fan should NEVER question or raise concerns. Just trying to reconcile the current prohibition about saying anything negative about Dabo with the posts that say you've lived through worse. Was it ok to question Hatfied, West or Bowden?
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Ultimate Tiger [34287]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
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Oct 19, 2023, 9:58 AM
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Grow up
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Clemson Conqueror [11917]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
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Oct 19, 2023, 9:59 AM
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Well this is truly an apples to oranges comparison.
I love Coach Swinney. I think he's an outstanding person, driven to be successful. God fearing man and obviously tries to handle everything with integrity.
Believing that about our head ball coach makes me think, that he too, is unhappy with the outcomes of the past few seasons.
What I don't think any of our coaches want is to have us fans bad mouth a group of 18-22 year old kids.
They aren't professionals even though they are getting paid like they are.
So I think Dabo feels obligated to take the heat away from his players, as any good coach should.
It's perfectly ok to be disappointed in our team and to feel the disappointment that I'm sure our players and coaches feel.
The 1.5% that coach is talking about are the idiots that are calling for him to move on from the program. Dabo is still the best thing to ever happen to Clemson athletics and always will be.
The same cannot be the said for the other coaches you mentioned. Kudos to Bowden for the recommendation but that was about all he did.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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so the 1.5%ers are the ones that want him gone/move on???
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Oct 19, 2023, 10:03 AM
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guess I'm a 98.5%er then.
I think somebody needs to make a survey to find out which % group people are............it would avoid a lot of confusion/
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
Oct 19, 2023, 11:03 AM
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They are not kids sir they are adults.
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Game Changer [1992]
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that have higher compensation than most people here with
Oct 19, 2023, 11:10 AM
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without NIL Deals. and other letters to get to 25
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TigerNet Icon [153209]
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^ Exhibit A) 1.5%ers don't get it.***
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Oct 19, 2023, 10:05 AM
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
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Oct 19, 2023, 10:12 AM
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When Dabo makes $100 million in 10 years, yes there will be questions. The expectations of this program are within the likes of Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia. These 4 programs were the most dominant through early years of CFP. And I believe it will stay that way.
Dude, Alabama fans have been questioning Nick Saban the last 5 years as well. The greatest football coach who’s ever lived.
Just because fans are “questioning you” does NOT mean they aren’t “with” you.
Dabo isn’t God lol. It’s okay to question him. And obviously when the last 3 years have shown huge disappointment.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
Oct 19, 2023, 10:37 AM
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You can question decisions by the coaching staff. You can also be disappointed with the results. It was also ok to question Hatfield, West, and Bowden.
The problem is when people try to claim the problems have an easy fix. There isn't an easy fix. The truth is, it's simply harder to be an elite, national championship program at Clemson than it is schools like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St., etc.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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there isn't "AN" easy fix, but.......
Oct 19, 2023, 10:45 AM
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there are/were MANY "fixes" that can easily be accomplished at Clemson.
-QB situation........FIXED for 2023
-OC situation........FIXED for 2023
-WR talent/situation......NOT fixed, but can be/could've been over the last 2-3 years.....considering we were "WRU" 3-4 years ago.
-OLine situation......not really fixed, but it never really has been, even in our NC years. As long as QB, WR, OC are "elite" your Oline just needs to be adequate.
-Defense is good enough as is right now.......need to maintain it.
bring WRU back and all the other problems will be overlooked. What and How that's accomplished is what is constantly debated on here.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: there isn't "AN" easy fix, but.......
Oct 19, 2023, 10:56 AM
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There isn't an easy fix for that problem either.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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I believe it is....
Oct 19, 2023, 11:04 AM
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IF Dabo put his mind to it.
Dabo MADE Clemson an attractive place to play.......just 3-4 years ago we were nationally considered WRU. Our players have NIL deals just like many other players across the country..........don't remember where I saw/read it, but I believe Clemson was in the top 5 or so in NIL deals for players, so I don't buy "NIL" as an excuse for Clemson "failing" to get "top talent". We're simply talking about..probably 1-2 game breaking WRs...........and I think Clemson is more than capable of getting those via portal and HS ranks.............now, developing them???....I'm not as convinced right now.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: I believe it is....
Oct 19, 2023, 11:10 AM
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We don't have the advantages in recruiting that we did several years ago. Those things Dabo did to make Clemson attractive aren't as effective as they were years ago.
It can be fixed, it's just not as easy to fix as you think it is.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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completely agree we don't have some of the advantages.......
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Oct 19, 2023, 11:15 AM
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we once had...........the CFB world has had some unrecognizable changes over the last 3-5 years.
Portal and NIL
Dabo is smart enough and good enough (IMO) to make us ELITE in this new era of CFB........if he accepted and embraced the changes of the new world..........if he doesn't then ELITE will never be reached again while he's here.
for the record.....I DESPISE NIL and Portal, but I know we need to "adapt or die"
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: completely agree we don't have some of the advantages.......
Oct 28, 2022, 6:21 PM
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I'm not arguing that it's impossible to fix the problems. However, the problems are not due to the portal or NIL, at least primarily.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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we'll just agree to disagree on that, but in your opinion...
Oct 19, 2023, 11:33 AM
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what do consider the "primary problem"?
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: we'll just agree to disagree on that, but in your opinion...
Oct 19, 2023, 11:40 AM
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Three problems:
Most of the other schools have adapted to a more passing oriented offenses, so elite quarterbacks and receivers have more options besides Clemson than they did years ago.
Most other teams have started using some of Clemson's recruiting tactics, like social media, that previously they were not employing.
Dabo's style of coaching (dancing on the locker room, family atmosphere) is being emulated by other coaches.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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well, again.....that can go back to Dabo adapting.....
Oct 19, 2023, 11:51 AM
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it's just like business. Companies that don't evolve, change, adapt, stay "cutting edge", etc.... will suffer the consequences eventually as competitors "catch up".
I still think Dabo's RELUCTANCE to adapt/change/evolve/etc....has been a broad brush reason as to why we've struggled to remain "Elite" the last 3-4 years.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: well, again.....that can go back to Dabo adapting.....
Oct 19, 2023, 11:59 AM
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You can only adapt to the abilities that you have.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: well, again.....that can go back to Dabo adapting.....
Oct 19, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Reluctance isn't really the issue. Even if are willing to use the portal, for example, that doesn't mean you will get anyone to come, at least someone who will fix the actual problems.
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
Oct 19, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Sycophants of Dabo Swinney are those devoted followers who steadfastly refuse to question any decision he makes, showering him with unwavering praise and loyalty, no matter the outcome.
In their eyes, if your not a sycophant, you're a 1.5% er.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
Oct 19, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Trying to make the problems easy fixes instead of what they actually are is just as bad.
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
Oct 19, 2023, 10:58 AM
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This is a poor take. I would say that pretty much everyone questions certain decisions Dabo makes. No one thinks he's perfect, despite trolls and quackers trying to spin that narrative. The difference is the vast majority of us know that we're just fans and haven't the slightest notion of what it takes to run as successful a program as Dabo has established here, and that at the end of the day we're all human. It's the incessant "It's so obvious" and psychobabble that some keep relentlessly harping on that gets called out, and rightfully so.
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Ring of Honor [23792]
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Maybe you're right.
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Oct 19, 2023, 11:08 AM
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But there are few on here pounding the 98.5% thing, and wearing it like an armoured suit. They know who they are.
As for the ones saying the fixes are obvious, it's definitely not true.
The portal, for example, isn't the only issue and certainly not the reason for our drop in talent. But their has definitely been a drop, yet some refuse to acknowledge it and if someone brings it up now you're a 1.5%er.
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All-In [10784]
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
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Oct 19, 2023, 10:41 AM
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How many of you thought that the NIL would not be detrimental to Clemson Football?
I'm going to guess, 1.5%
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CU Medallion [20101]
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And how many NC's and/or major bowl wins did they have?
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Oct 19, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Dabo has earned the right to run this program exactly as he sees fit. Not one of us is at every practice, team meeting, film room, etc. Some of the 1.5%'ers won't be happy until they run Dabo off...and yet still they'll beotch and moan. Really wonder how many ever even have strapped on the shoulder pads or helmet...but hey both Tommys and Ken are available.
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Ultimate Tiger [35072]
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Re: And how many NC's and/or major bowl wins did they have?
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Oct 19, 2023, 11:02 AM
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A lot of people said Danny Ford earned that same right. It didn't matter what right everyone thought he earned in the end. We all have a boss and sometimes the fans or the paying customers end up being the biggest boss of all.
FWIW, I think Dabo is a good coach, a good ambassador for Clemson and an all-around good man/husband/father. I believe buildings, statues or whatever should be named after Dabo and erected (no pun intended). He has done things for Clemson no one will probably ever repeat. However, anyone who gets paid 11 million a year is going to be questioned, and sometimes criticized, whether it is a football coach, a CEO of a company, a musician/movie star or an investor. It just comes with the territory of being the head man/women, I guess.
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CU Medallion [20101]
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I totally agree and I should have said that I have no
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Oct 19, 2023, 11:33 AM
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problem with questioning Dabo, I'm sure he even questions himself. But there are some "fans" who think we should never ever lose a game, unrealistic. Paying Dabo $11 million is the price of keeping him at Clemson...a place that he genuinely seems to love and appreciate.
Danny was a different matter. From my recollection, he was pushing for things that would keep the playing field level. The CU administration probably cost us another NC by firing him. But like you said everyone has a boss and the buck stops at the headman.
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Re: For the 98.5%ers
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Oct 19, 2023, 11:19 AM
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I love Dabo and will never forget what he has done for Clemson.
I trust in his judgement, but at the same time I do think that the portal has to be a part of Clemson football. Otherwise, we are going to bein a one-sided arms race.
He will come around eventually. I wish he hadn’t taken such a deep stance against it, because it will be harder for him to change that position.
He will change position coaches as he sees fit. No one saw riley coming, Dabo was saying all is well UNTIL he announced the change at OC.
We’re having a down year, it happens to all programs. That’s what makes winning so special.
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Short answer: No.
Oct 19, 2023, 11:40 AM
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It's a fanboard and fans generally want sunshine and skittles. Especially fans who've had a really good time being fans for the last decade.
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