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Jun 24, 2025, 11:25 PM
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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/dispensable-nation-schake


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Jun 24, 2025, 11:35 PM
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Trump will be gone in a few years and the Dems reestablish foreign relations at that point.

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Jun 25, 2025, 2:11 AM
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One of the points of the article is that something like that won't be easy to rollback, once it's started.

Other countries, especially our allies, are now trying to extricate themselves from being overly dependent on the US. Getting a Democrat back in office in 2029 won't necessarily reverse that. It might slow it up, but other countries are going to make the assumption that even after Trump is gone, his toxic policies will still partially survive, and the US will still be a bully to be avoided or confronted...

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Jun 25, 2025, 7:06 AM
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Which is true, but the article I think is a little more dramatic than I think is reality. I think the US will work its way back. It would take a like Obama though. It would take a Dem with charisma. Moreover, as far as those that we're dependent on the US trying to become more independent, of course they are and should. That said, we bring so much to the table that we can bring them back to an extent. They will always realize how vulnerable they were though.

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Jun 24, 2025, 11:41 PM
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Foreign affairs is good stuff. First read it in the 90s. Maybe I’m naïve, but I’ve always seen the articles as not very political, but mostly knowledgeable and practical.

How many people in the trump administration would even understand the content in a tupical foreign affairs article? Laura Loomer?

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Jun 25, 2025, 1:01 AM
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Good article. I like how it ended. I especially like the quote where he says America under Trump will become too brutal to love but too irrelevant to fear.

The self-destruction of American power in the Trump years is likely to puzzle future historians. During the post–Cold War era, the United States achieved unprecedented dominance, and maintaining it was relatively easy and inexpensive. All of Trump’s predecessors in that period made errors, some of which significantly reduced U.S. influence, aided the country’s adversaries, and limited Washington’s ability to induce cooperation or compliance on the part of other countries. But none of those predecessors intended such outcomes. Trump, on the other hand, wants a world in which the United States, although still rich and powerful, no longer actively shapes the global order to its advantage. He would prefer to lead a country that is feared rather than loved. But his approach is unlikely to foster either emotion. If it stays on the path Trump has started down, the United States risks becoming too brutal to love but too irrelevant to fear.

In the years to come, the alliances it took decades to foster will begin to wither, and U.S. rivals will waste no time in leaping to exploit the resulting vacuum. Some of Washington’s partners may wait for a while, hoping that their American friends will come to their senses and try to reestablish something akin to the traditional U.S. leadership role. But there is no going all the way back; their faith and trust have been irreparably damaged. And they won’t wait long, even for an American return to form that would amount to less than a full restoration. Soon, they will move on—and so will the rest of the world.


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I havent read the article but that clip reads true.

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Jun 25, 2025, 6:47 AM
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There may be a course correction but never a return to what was. I would suspect that Trump’s foreign policy approach would have previously been considered unthinkable by a U.S. President. Now our long term allies can’t delude themselves. Yes, Trump isn’t America, but we see every day millions of Americans high fiving each other when Trump mocks European leaders to their faces, belittles Ukraine, cozies up to Russia, talks about his good relationship with Lukashanko or Un.

Europe knows it can’t ALWAYS trust America now, so they have to do something else. We mock them as an administration. We chat about how we loath them on private Signal chats at the highest level of government. And those people are celebrated for this rhetoric by a segment of our country.

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Jun 25, 2025, 7:08 AM
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Exactly. Those rubes don't realize what damage he creates. All the whole kissing butt to a mess of a country like Russia.

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Jun 25, 2025, 7:10 AM [ in reply to Re: For Foreign Policy Nerds ]
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Yup.

It may take some time before we find out the true impact of Trump’s bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities, but if it turns out Trump only set their program back a few months, then this absolutely leads to ……

“too brutal to love but too irrelevant to fear”.

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Jun 25, 2025, 9:11 AM
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Boo hoo. Free speech hating left wing Eurotrash are gonna have to depend on themselves, or each other, for their own defense since the vile hateful Americans no longer want to foot almost the entire bill for their nondefense spending largesse. How dare we have the audacity to call them out to their faces for imprisoning people for speech code violations, shutting down their domestic energy production so they can enrich Russia and doing so from an unearned perch of superiority while we wipe their ### like an unruly entitled six year old.

In other words, dont threaten us with a good time scumbags.

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Jun 25, 2025, 9:20 AM
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It’s really quite amazing how you can string together the most cartoonishly exaggerated descriptions of like 10 different things all in one paragraph.

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He is oblivious***

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Jun 25, 2025, 9:39 AM
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He is oblivious***


Jun 25, 2025, 9:40 AM [ in reply to Re: For Foreign Policy Nerds ]
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Well said.

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Jun 25, 2025, 11:22 AM [ in reply to Re: For Foreign Policy Nerds ]
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When you have to "buy" all of your friends, are they really friends?

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