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For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary.
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For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary.

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Nov 1, 2023, 9:16 PM

Before you all get your feathers ruffled, think about this.
We all have jobs that we get paid for. We are rewarded weekly, bi-weekly or monthly for the work put in prior to that pay day. Not for the work that we are going to do in the future.
Dabo was rewarded for bringing us from nothing to being in the forefront of everyone's minds. People talk about us if we are winning and they talk about us if we are losing. Either way people are talking about us because we are relevant. If we were not, absolutely none of this would be talked about

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Nov 1, 2023, 9:33 PM

As others mentioned, a lot of salary conversations are due to jealousy.

We could bring in a lot of $5mil coaches to replace Dabo, PLEASE tell me which one you want? Beamer, Napier, or Scott Frost for $4mil?

How about high paid coaches: Fisher or Huepel at $9mil?

Please list who you would want to pay $5mil to replace Dabo or who to pay $9mil+ to replace Dabo?? This should be good!

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Nov 2, 2023, 11:30 AM

I don't want to replace Dabo, but if I had to list Venables would be right at the top.

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He made about $1M for the Duke game.

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Nov 1, 2023, 9:37 PM

I could field that same team for a free dinner at Applebees.

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Re: He made about $1M for the Duke game.

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Nov 1, 2023, 11:54 PM

No, you couldn’t and this is what truly underlies most of your redundant, petulant, ignorant criticism. The underlying belief that Dabo’s always just been a “CEO” and that, given the opportunity, you would actually do better. In your mind his success is simply the result of a sequence of hires that you would also have made or improved upon. That he never really did anything special and you have it all figured out. Of course reality says that isn’t true because 130 other coaches are trying to also do this thing that you think is so simple, at least some of the them are as or more intelligent than you and yet… You are a spoiled child. I know you think you are witty and urbane with your Archer avatar denoting you as simultaneously lowbrow and sophisticated. You probably think you see humor that others aren’t quite clever enough to understand. Like the throngs of semi-literate Rick & Morty fans who think they’ve smart while pitching temper tantrums at McDonalds. But you’re just a profoundly stupid, emotional infant living in an era when one can ensconce themselves in a self-affirming vacuum avoiding all the ramifications such behavior unleashed on previous generations.

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Lana!

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Nov 2, 2023, 2:28 AM

Danger Zone.

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Re: He made about $1M for the Duke game.


Nov 2, 2023, 2:38 AM [ in reply to Re: He made about $1M for the Duke game. ]

viztiz® said:

No, you couldn’t and this is what truly underlies most of your redundant, petulant, ignorant criticism. The underlying belief that Dabo’s always just been a “CEO” and that, given the opportunity, you would actually do better. In your mind his success is simply the result of a sequence of hires that you would also have made or improved upon. That he never really did anything special and you have it all figured out. Of course reality says that isn’t true because 130 other coaches are trying to also do this thing that you think is so simple, at least some of the them are as or more intelligent than you and yet… You are a spoiled child. I know you think you are witty and urbane with your Archer avatar denoting you as simultaneously lowbrow and sophisticated. You probably think you see humor that others aren’t quite clever enough to understand. Like the throngs of semi-literate Rick & Morty fans who think they’ve smart while pitching temper tantrums at McDonalds. But you’re just a profoundly stupid, emotional infant living in an era when one can ensconce themselves in a self-affirming vacuum avoiding all the ramifications such behavior unleashed on previous generations.


I'm laughing at your superior intellect

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Nov 2, 2023, 1:35 PM

is viztiz regularly featured on https://reddit.com/r/iamverysmart? If not, he should be.

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So, you are saying that I couldn't field a team that:

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Nov 2, 2023, 7:26 AM [ in reply to Re: He made about $1M for the Duke game. ]

has zero ball security
had zero field goal kickers
had guards pulling opposite ways and running into each other

You are going to sit there and say that I could not coach up some:
busted coverages
multiple missed tackles
multiple dropped passes
terrible clock management
terrible pocket presence

You are looking me in the eye and stating that: 130 coaches in the country couldn't take a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits and NOT get steamrolled by a group of 1 and 2 stars?

Let me break it down for you, since your superior intellect has trouble with inference.
1. I never said that I was better than Dabo, my point is; that I could have fielded a team that was just as ill-prepared on that given night.
2. Also, I have no issues with Dabo's salary, I have issues with the product on the field. And it's coaching. It's not the portal, it's not that EVERYONE on our team is a bust, it's not NIL, it's not the fans...It's coaching PERIOD.

Now for a bonus: If you want to see what an "emotional infant" looks like throwing a tantrum; go watch Dabo's rant to Tyler.

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Nov 2, 2023, 11:15 AM

To attempt to defend yourself you’re lying about what you said in the post I responded to and about the content of your post in their preponderance. You then misrepresent what I asserted. Thanks for confirming my commentary in full.

And no, to be abundantly clear, you would not win a single game if suddenly thrust into the head coach position. Your continued assertion that you not only could, but would improve aspects of the team we see belies that you do, in fact, believe you’re better Dabo. It’s implicit in the criticism. So again, thanks for affirming my position.

You’ve also made repeated character attacks that have nothing to do with the results on the field. Tyler’s rant could have been a cut/paste of your lesser vitriol. Dabo’s response is more than warranted.

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Nov 2, 2023, 1:33 PM [ in reply to Re: He made about $1M for the Duke game. ]



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Yeah I do not think you understand how things work.***

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Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary.

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Nov 1, 2023, 9:40 PM

Well said. If you think about money from IPTAY that provides an education for hundreds of athletes, ticket sales, concessions, revenue from product marketing, hotel revenue, bar, restaurant, grocery store, liquor store, party shop, gas station sales, you will understand what Clemson football means to the university and the Upstate. If were not where we are as a program, how much smaller would those $$ be? Prices and salaries are set by the market and Dabo is not overpaid.

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Nov 2, 2023, 11:33 AM

"Dabo is not overpaid."

A tenth of a billion dollars to go .500 in the ACC with an elite recruiting base?

lol

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Nov 1, 2023, 10:26 PM

I'm sure the amount of money Dabo has created for Clemson University and local economy exceeds his salary many times over. He has been a bargain. In addition there were times Dabo has taken less so others on staff get more. To argue he makes too much money just is not accurate economically.

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Wasting your time...

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Nov 2, 2023, 5:53 AM

these pea brained parrots can't wrap their heads around the # 11 million.

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Nov 2, 2023, 11:35 AM [ in reply to Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary. ]

"I'm sure the amount of money Dabo has created for Clemson University and local economy exceeds his salary many times over."

Are you under the impression that nobody went to Clemson games or bought Clemson merch before Dabo?

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Nov 1, 2023, 10:27 PM

Nobody is complaining about Dabo's salary. They're complaining about his failure to perform in a manner consistent with it.

We're paying him a TENTH OF A BILLION DOLLARS and all he can manage is 4-4 in the awful ACC.

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Well said. . .


Nov 1, 2023, 10:57 PM

Concise and true.

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You were under a court ordered 2 year...


Nov 2, 2023, 6:05 AM

internet ban along with your required 'registry'! Son—you just violated the terms of your probation! I hope to God you haven't been back on those sites! The very ones that landed you in this situation to begin with(smh)...They're gonna check!

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Nov 1, 2023, 11:39 PM [ in reply to Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary. ]

Actually, this year only costs 1% of a $Billion.

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Nov 2, 2023, 7:03 AM

Math can be hard for some people, especially when dealing with larger numbers. Emphasizing it in all caps makes it more apparent.

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Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary.

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Nov 2, 2023, 12:01 AM [ in reply to Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary. ]

At the point Clemson made that commitment Dabo had already generated nearly a billion dollars for Clemson and billions in economic development for the greater Clemson area. Clemson athletic department revenue has grown over 260% since he took over. That is over 100% more than Alabama’s has grown in the same period. Dabo’s entire salary, in every year he has been coach at Clemson, is a fraction of the difference in Clemson’s athletic department revenue and the average ACC athletic department revenue. In every measurable way, other than the “derp, I’m a moron and could do that for a grand slam breakfast” method, Dabo is a value to this University.

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Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary.


Nov 2, 2023, 11:38 AM

Could you please provide the source for your statistics?

Thanks in advance.

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Nov 2, 2023, 4:36 PM

Knight Commission database can provide revenue and expenditure info for the entirety of Dabo’s tenure. You can then compare that against any conference or school you wish. For broader economic implications there are numerous newspaper articles about the growth of Clemson’s application base and selectivity. These are known to have positive long term economic effect. There have also been newspaper articles on rising property values in the greater Clemson area. The massive expenditures on new construction both internally at the university and in the surrounding areas should be self evident.

A quick look at City of Clemson budgets show that the property tax base alone has grown over a billion. That doesn’t factor increases in sales, hospitality, or local option taxes or the increased economic activity accompanying any of those.

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Nov 2, 2023, 11:39 AM [ in reply to Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary. ]

"Dabo had already generated nearly a billion dollars for Clemson and billions in economic development for the greater Clemson area."

Imagine believing this nonsense.

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Nov 2, 2023, 4:02 PM

The differential from average ACC member revenue and Clemson’s over Dabo’s tenure alone will eclipse a billion dollars before his current contract ends. That doesn’t factor in anything like capital investment outside the athletic department, the rise in applications, and the long term financial benefit of increased selectivity in admissions. Property values in Clemson have grown well above the national average over his tenure easily equaling billions before adding any of the actual billions spent on development. Imagine arguing something so easily disproven.

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YOU are not paying him anything.

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Nov 2, 2023, 2:34 AM [ in reply to Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary. ]

So shut up and worry about your own job, if you have one.

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Nov 2, 2023, 1:31 PM [ in reply to Re: For everyone complaining about Dabo's salary. ]

He was given his contact for what he has done not for what he is going to do.

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Dabo has earned his salary.


Nov 2, 2023, 11:19 AM

His record is, indisputably, that of an elite coach, who deserves elite money. If Dabo was paid the most of any CFB coach, there is no good argument that he shouldn't be.

The question is whether he should continue as our coach making that money if he's unwilling to adapt the program to keep us competitive at the most elite levels that one would expect from an elite coach.

Basically, he's earned it, but hasn't guaranteed it.

Is he unwilling to adapt? That's up for debate.
Do we have to adapt? That's also up for debate.
Can he win without adapting? Also up for debate.
Are his asst. coaches without experience worth what they're paid? Debate that.

But, you can't debate his salary, unless as a terrible proxy for greater questions about the above.

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drunk at the putt putt.


Then let's start paying coaches


Nov 2, 2023, 11:26 AM

Who's going around spraying kool-aid on everyone?

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Nov 2, 2023, 11:40 AM

I think the mistake made is thinking coaches get paid for wins. I think perhaps that the coach gets paid on how much money he demonstrates that he brings into the athletic program. Dabo's pay with 2 notional championships would not be nearly as high if he did that and revenues had not increased dramatically. If by some master skill, he had Clemson at 500, but had tripled the program revenue? Big pay would have followed.

So Dabo will be held onto very tightly until he proves that his performance is reducing program revenue.

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Pay them at the end of the season.


Nov 2, 2023, 12:54 PM

No more than a 3 year contract.

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Nov 2, 2023, 1:06 PM

They can complain all they want to but NOBODY has brought in more revenue for the University then Dabo that’s why he’s paid the way that he is.


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