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Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban

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Jul 22, 2017, 5:04 PM

in the same sentence.

I won't - but I will mention them in the same paragraph

At this time, Swinney, Meyer, Fisher and Saban are the only active coaches who can be put in the same sentence when we discuss national championships.


In Finebaum's defense, I remember a poster on this board comparing Dabo's record after 3 years with Saban's record in the same time period - they were about the same. Whoever the poor guy was got his knees cut out from under him by fellow Clemson fans who were dead set that Clemson had picked the wrong guy to replace Bowden and that there was no chance Dabo would ever challenge Nick's accomplishments. They were stupid then and Finebaum is stupid now.

When you compare coaching accomplishments, the time frames have to match. So here it is:

Dabo Swinney after 8 seasons + 7 games in 2008: 89 wins, 28 losses; Bowl record 6-3; 2 national championship appearances, 1 national championship win

Nick Saban after 9 full seasons: 69 wins, 38 losses, 1 tie; Bowl record 2-4, no national championship.

Saban won his first NC at LSU in his 10th season of coaching


I guess you're right, Paul. How dare you mention Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney in the same sentence? Dabo is way ahead of Nick.

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Jul 22, 2017, 6:29 PM

want you around anyhow...

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban

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Jul 22, 2017, 6:38 PM

Saban and Meyer don't need generational qbs to win titles.

There's a good bit of separation between Saban/Meyer and the next group.

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban

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Jul 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

Dabo owns Meyer

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Jul 22, 2017, 6:43 PM



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That's an interesting spin

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Jul 22, 2017, 8:03 PM

Irrelevant to my comment but interesting that you had to reach that far to water down what I said.

The point of my post was to compare the two coaches at the same stage in their careers. Dabo has 20 more wins and more wins over top ten OOC teams after coaching ten less games.

And DO NOT come back with something about how hard it is to win in the SEC. Alabama generally beats the mud out of everyone they play in that conference but they've had to scrap in both their recent games with us. The fact that lower tiered SEC teams have had inflated rankings ever since ESPN took over the college football world is completely out of our control.

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Re: That's an interesting spin


Jul 22, 2017, 8:13 PM

There's no doubt that what Dabo has done to start his career has been very impressive. Still, I believe he's gonna have to do it again and again before he truly gets considered in Saban/Urban's league. Those two aren't slowing down. Bama and OSU will likely win more titles in the near future. By the time Dabo gets to 2, Saban and Meyer may be at 6 & 4.

People talk up Watson so much and for very good reasons. It's going to be a lot harder to replace him than many believe. He is an unreal talent who refused to lose. Those guys don't come along too often. I mean Dabo compared him to Michael Jordan and some peeps here don't think Clemson will skip a beat.

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And this appears to be the point where we differ


Jul 22, 2017, 8:25 PM

Dabo won his first national title during his 8th full season as a head coach. His teams have also won 10 or more games six years in a row. It's true that we play in the ACC but so what? We have beaten many long standing CFB powerhouses along the way - both in regular season and bowl play. Our generational QB was only here for three of those seasons and missed about half of the first year bugged by injuries.

You act like you know it's over - that the last six seasons were some kind "one hit wonder" (that math don't work, do it?). No one is denying the accomplishments of Meyer and Saban over the last 10 years of their career - but I didn't hear anyone suggesting that they couldn't continue their success after the first 10. That is exactly what you're doing with Dabo and he's only coached 8 so far.

I see nothing on the horizon to make me think the next 8-10 years at Clemson are not going to be very similar to the last 5 or 6.

So tell me - what secret knowledge do you possess that makes you think we are a perennial 7-5, 8-4 team waiting to happen again?

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Re: And this appears to be the point where we differ


Jul 22, 2017, 8:49 PM

I still think Clemson averages 10+ wins a season. I just don't see competing for national championships year in and year out.

DW4 elevated Clemson's play so much. Even in his only two losses, he went nuts. Dabo's record prior to DW4 is more like what I expect now.

Maybe HJ or TLaw will end up being that good, but expecting one of them to be as good as the best player in Clemson history is a bit much.

Either way, a lot of success is in the future for Dabo/Clemson. I just don't think it'll be Saban/Meyer success.

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In conclusion,

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Jul 22, 2017, 9:09 PM

My original post was about Dabo's body of work from day one to the present compared to Saban's body of work over a similar time period. It wasn't about how national championships are won or how often a given team is in the running. When Nick Saban was at the same place in his career, he was a respected coach but I doubt anyone was predicting the success he was destined to experience in the next 14 years. Meyer is another story. His early results look a lot more like the success Dabo has had so far. There were few who thought he wouldn't continue that success into his future.

There are those who predict that Dabo will experience Saban/Meyer type of success in the years to come. All they are doing is looking at his accomplishments to date and making what is arguably a reasonable conclusion that they will continue.

Thanks for the exchange, my friend. Your arguments, though flawed in my opinion, became more reasonable as we progressed. Have a good evening.

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Jul 22, 2017, 11:31 PM

Good night Sharp!

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Re: That's an interesting spin

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Jul 23, 2017, 12:05 AM

Urban's league? Is that the league where you fake an illness, go into broadcasting for one year, are magically better, then go on to take over a program that is on cruise control when your current team starts to struggle? Is that the league we are talking about? Whether anyone likes it or not, his career is tarnished. Not to mention Dabo is 2-0 against Urban, and one of those games was an absolute embarrassment to Ohio State.

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban

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Jul 22, 2017, 8:09 PM

So Tim Tebow wasn't a generational quarterback? That's kind of news to me. Sort of seemed like it when he was at Florida...In facto when you look at the QBs that Meyer had when he won titles, all were playing at incredibly high levels. In fact, Meyer and Dabo are very similar in that both had really solid teams but didn't win it all til they had great QBs. Saban took a couple decades longer than either of them but has done it by stockpiling talent everywhere else and finding game managers.

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Jul 22, 2017, 8:14 PM

Chris leak. Cardale Jones.

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban


Jul 22, 2017, 11:47 PM

Who's your team?

I'm guessing since you are on a Clemson board it's Clemson, but I can't tell...

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban

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Jul 23, 2017, 12:11 AM

You're about to see that it is a system and not just about Watson. Not taking anything away from DW4 but I think that Dabo has set a standard and we aren't going to need generational-type players to contend for national titles. We have the Jimmies and the Joes on campus right now and will continue to get them now that the whole nation sees what we are about. The Best Is Yet To Come and you're about to witness a dynasty come to fruition.

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban

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Jul 23, 2017, 12:05 AM

What the heck is that thing!? A raptor?

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban


Jul 23, 2017, 12:04 AM

Do you really think that Coach Swinney will not win anymore titles?? He isn't even 50 is He? Go back to fgf. I'm willing to bet we win at least one in the next 4-5 years if not more.

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban


Jul 23, 2017, 7:52 AM

Saban needs a blue blood program to recruit to in order to win a title & Meyer can't beat Dabo. Sorry to bust up your argument with facts.

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Re: Finebaum's comment about not mentioning Dabo and Saban


Jul 23, 2017, 5:05 PM

Dabo....

Is 2-0 vs Urban!

Dabo....

Handed Urban his one...and ONLY shutout in his ENTIRE coaching career thus far.

Dabo....

Has a National Championship under his belt. As does Urban. They are EQUAL there.

Dabo.....

Is the ONLY COACH in College football to have beaten the last three National Champions over the last three years! No other coach can make that claim. Not "Urban". Not anyone!

So? Whether you are a worthless nut fan, or a closet Coot....

You can EFF OFF NOW!

Go Tigers!!!

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I think the argument for Dabo's future success is simple.

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Jul 23, 2017, 4:57 AM

The counterargument that it took a generational talent in Deshaun Watson to lift Dabo to the mountain top is weak and here is why:

When Dabo recruited Tajh and he started to perform -- he was the best quarterback we'd ever seen ... at least statistically. I recall on http://www.seldomusedreserve.com/ 's a ticker measuring how many miles Tajh had thrown the ball for in games. On this site, there were multiple posts about enjoying those last days of his career because he was a generational talent and who knows when another Tajh will come along.

Since then, Dabo has proven that he can recruit with anyone at all positions -- even OL (omg!). He is restocking at every level. The kids he recruits are far and away good young men. The off-field distractions occur rarely as compared to other powerhouse programs. And when they do occur, Dabo is swift and clear in his handling them -- who benches potentially their 2nd best receiver for the semifinal and championship? I can think of only one coach with the character and cajones to do such.

(And those who can't meet that expectation either have to earn their way back in (see Cain) or find other places to be (help me out ...the OL selected in the provisional draft) or display such a lack of decision making acumen that they flame out (see Kaleb Chalmers).)

Tajh WAS generational for us -- he was the best QB we'd seen in these here parts maybe ever and certainly since Charlie Whitehurst. But when your most recent generational talent is replaced 1 year later by your next (quote / unquote) 'generational' talent. Does the term really mean what you think it means?

DW4 has moved on and Dabo and the staff have some absolutely fantastic young men preparing to take his place. So - no - we don't rely on the generational-type talent around here anymore. We're bringing in this kind of talent every year instead of every 15-20. When you can do that, then you can compete for championships every year instead of waiting for lightning to strike.

So the naysayers can whine all they like and try to downplay our recent success and call it unsustainable. We know better. Coach nows better. The best is yet to come.

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Jul 23, 2017, 4:41 PM

People outside of Clemson just see DW4. They aren't seeing that we are bringing in talent in the areas that matter now. DL, OL etc.. We are about to lay the wood on defense and start to beat teams in all phases of the game. I like that we continue to get the disrespect card dealt. Thats when we play our best. We are Americas ultimate team with a chip on its shoulder. Eventually we won't be able to use it, but when that day comes we will have won multiple National Championships. Keep doubting Dabo and Clemson Sharp. Its all the fuel we need to keep beating the likes of Urban and Saban. By the way, it was Boyd that beat Urban the first time, not DW4. Oh.. but DW4 is the only reason we can compete with the two greatest coaches of all time.

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Jul 23, 2017, 5:27 PM

better than those redneck trash.

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