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And Collins
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you misspelled jailed***
Oct 21, 2021, 12:02 PM
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Most interesting thing, is if they did engineer this some
Oct 21, 2021, 1:04 PM
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way, they not only engineered it to infect humans, but they also invented a way to mimic immune suppression that scientists don't even fully understand how the virus does right now. And that's the biggest thing the virus has that makes it different than the flu and every other virus.
I'm still not convinced what went through Wuhan was engineered. It COULD be they engineered something that could infect humans, and then it went around a while and mutated naturally to take on mutations people don't even understand how they work, much less could engineer. Everyone talks about the spike protein. And that's what we understand, and can engineer, and the source of our vaccines. ORF sections of the genome, we don't know how those genes work or their real function during replication. But we do know THAT is the area responsible for immune suppression during transmission among cells. That is also an area NOT covered by our vaccines, as they all center on the spike protein. So the virus will tend to mutate (and has) to increase immune suppression, which it did with the British variant, and then more with Delta. Otherwise, in the spike protein, there's no answer for the increased transmission we've seen. You don't go from an r0 of 2.5 to 6-8 from the mutations we've seen in the spike protein. It has certainly mutated far beyond what went through Wuhan.
It's a virus. We know a lot about them, a whole lot. But what we know least about, is what this virus does best, and what sets it apart, and it's why there is no herd immunity, why it impacts so many organs and systems, why it hangs around (long covid) and why it spreads and replicates so quickly. It's the very same trick influenza uses to be around forever, but on steroids. It's why flu vaccines don't end the flu. When they first came out in the 80's, they were going to end influenza. Well, they didn't, because they can't. BUT, that same trick we still don't understand with influenza, is in covid, and it's FAR beyond what influenza does.
The only way to create a vaccine that ends it is to know how to fight it, before any of the tools we know to fight it with (science and our bodies), KNOW to fight it. Make our immune system recognize the immune suppression proteins and we get an advantage. That suppression delays our response to the spike (vaccine enhanced, prior infection enhanced, whatever). Recognize only the spike (S genes), and we're fighting a losing battle. Vaccines can only work, even perfect vaccines, once our bodies know to use them. Same with your prior immunity, although there's some basis to believe T and B cell immunity may add some benefit to earlier detection. But if you never get sick, and you still "get" infected, it replicates, and you spread it, and never know, is it gone? For you, maybe. But not for the next guy.
Those days before symptoms are CRUCIAL for explaining covid-19. It is what sets it apart from the original SARS. We stopped SARS because it couldn't spread until you knew to fight it (had symptoms). That's where traditional infection control works. Original Wuhan covid spread two days before symptoms, and that was more than enough to make it unstoppable like influenza. Delta, that's now up to 5-6 days. Those days buy time for more replication, higher viral loads, and more transmission as well. This is how covid is different than anything else. And each new step in evolution means higher viral loads to clear. And without prior immunity or a vaccine, if you fight it with no immunity, it gets deadlier and deadlier, for younger and younger people who have better and better immune systems.
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Re: Most interesting thing, is if they did engineer this some
Oct 21, 2021, 1:11 PM
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All of that is fairly terrifying.
It means we're not nearly done with this thing, and it may in fact just be getting started with us.
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Re: Most interesting thing, is if they did engineer this some
Oct 21, 2021, 1:20 PM
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The pattern of deceipt is the essential problem
Oct 21, 2021, 5:13 PM
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that needs to be solved yesterday, as much as the origin of sars-cov2. Why are the folks at Ecohealth Alliance acting so deceptively about the work they are doing with WIV?
This quote in Dr. Ebright's thread was particularly striking:
"Nunberg described the experiment as 'definitely gain of function,' or experiments that may increase the transmissibility or virulence of pathogens, because it gave the virus “a new receptor, a new host range, and unpredictable properties."
then the following one:
Chan: "This is a pattern of dishonesty..It should be clear..that we cannot take the word of conflicted parties in the search for..origin of Covid..It is urgently important that the public and investigators gain full access to..EcoHealth documents relating to research..in Wuhan."
What are they hiding and why are they hiding it? We might not like the answers, but let's rip the bandaid off and figure it out.
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