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Orange Phenom [14752]
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GAO's Annual Report to Congress - our future's so dark we better wear NVGs...
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:28 PM
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Yesterday, in amongst the apoplectic outrage by segments of Congress over the Federal Bureaucracy being given a much needed spending rectal exam - the GAO released it's annual "The Nation's Fiscal Health" report. As it has been for the past decade - it's that gentle tap on the shoulder to Congress by the GAO that says - "Hey guys - ummm... you might want to look at this Federal debt thing because it is unsustainable and WE ARE ABOUT TO RIDE IT OVER A F**KING CLIFF!!!
Some key highlights: - Debt held by the public is currently $28.2 trillion, Intergovernmental debt is $7.2 trillion for a total of $35.4 trillion. - In 2024 we reached a public debt that was 98% of GDP. - Publicly held debt is projected to grow more than twice as fast as the economy, reaching 200% of the size of the economy by 2047. - Government spending on net interest in FY 2024 exceeded federal spending on Medicare and national defense, and is projected to keep growing. - Social Security and Medicare are supported by trust funds that will be depleted in 8 and 11 years, respectively, (i.e. 2033 and 2036) according to projections. - If we continue along the same trajectory as today, by 2053 we will have a 240% debt to GDP ratio. To reduce that nightmare 2053 projection to our current 100% debt to GDP ratio would require some pain starting today. GAO calculates we need an annual revenue increase of 27.9% (if no change in spending) OR annual spending reduction of 21.3% (if no change in revenue) over the next 30 years. Of course that is an all or nothing approach to the two budget dials and maybe we could do a little less on each by tweaking both dials at the same time...

Never fear there is a lot more dark news in the 26 page report but they did offer the following:
- A Strategy Is Needed to Change the Unsustainable Fiscal Path
- A sustainable fiscal policy would lead to debt held by the public growing at the same—or slower—rate than the economy.
GAO’s work has identified several components of an effective fiscal strategy: 1. Incorporate well-designed fiscal rules and targets to help manage debt, for example by controlling factors such as spending and revenue to meet a debt-to-GDP target. 2. Assess the drivers of the primary deficit, such as mandatory and discretionary spending and revenue. 3. Address financing gaps for Social Security and Medicare. Both programs are supported by trust funds that will be depleted in 8 and 11 years, respectively, according to projections. 4. Pursue opportunities to improve fiscal responsibility through efficiencies; better program management to reduce fraud, waste, and abuse, as well as improper payments; better addressing a yawning tax gap; and reducing costly tax expenditures. 5. Consider replacing the current debt limit.
Hey - what you know - the White House is trying to implement #4 above but.... WE CAN'T DO THIS - ELON MUSK AND DOGE IS EVIL!!!!
For the GAO Summary go here: https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-25-107714
To download the report: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-25-107714.pdf
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Ring of Honor [23660]
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Are you suggesting we just trash the Constitution because of this report?
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:35 PM
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If so, there is no USA, no America. It is something else.
Maybe, just maybe, the problem is different.
Since 1980, the U.S. economy has exploded from $2.86 trillion to $27 trillion, but most of that money has gone straight to the top 1%. Their incomes have skyrocketed by 275%, while middle-class wages have barely moved, growing by only 49%.
Meanwhile, the lowest earners have seen a 41% increase—barely keeping up with inflation. In 1970, the middle class controlled 62% of the country's wealth—now just 43%, while the richest households are getting a bigger slice than ever.
The economy is making way more money, but regular people aren't seeing much of it. Wonder why? 🤔 But don't worry, Elon will fix it.
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Paw Master [17115]
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This is what the founders intended?***
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:39 PM
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Re: This is what the founders intended?***
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:00 PM
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our system only works for honest people
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Exactly how is the Constitution being trashed??
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:22 PM
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Just because Democrats the typical leftist echo chambers are screaming it at the top of their lungs does not make it true. Instead - you are being gaslit by those voices.
The formation and mission of DOGE is completely legal. Even the Judge who ruled on the DOGE Treasury database access recognized as such by granting "2" Treasury Dept DOGE members access with the qualifier that such access was "read only"... "as needed for the performance of his duties". Had those DOGE duties been illegal - the Judge would have ruled as such.
Just so we are clear.... DOGE isn't actually cutting/cancelling/de-funding anything. Everything that has been cut has been done by the President or an Agency head. None of the cuts have been Statutory cuts as that would require Congress.
DOGE was established by an Executive Order IAW section 3161 of title 5, United States Code. DOGE has been given instruction, authority, and clearance by the President to do exactly what they are doing. Furthermore every Agency was instructed with the following:
"In consultation with USDS (United States DOGE Service), each Agency Head shall establish within their respective Agencies a DOGE Team of at least four employees, which may include Special Government Employees, hired or assigned within thirty days of the date of this Order. Agency Heads shall select the DOGE Team members in consultation with the USDS Administrator. Each DOGE Team will typically include one DOGE Team Lead, one engineer, one human resources specialist, and one attorney. Agency Heads shall ensure that DOGE Team Leads coordinate their work with USDS and advise their respective Agency Heads on implementing the President‘s DOGE Agenda."
DOGE is the conduit that has been given Presidential direction and authority within the Executive Branch to look at all Agency spending in order to highlight areas of potential waste, fraud and abuse. In order to do this DOGE must have access to all the spending data. As DOGE looks at the spending data they provide information/recommendations to the Agency heads and the Executive Office of the President for potential spending cuts. At that point either the President or the Agency heads may or may not act on the DOGE information. But let's be clear - DOGE is NOT cancelling/de-funding anything themselves - they are advising the appropriate Executive authorities of potential waste, fraud, and abuse whereupon those with the proper authority make the final decision.
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Game Changer [1885]
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Dude - I've told you how it is in fact working. The DOGE team can take credit
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:33 PM
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for the cancellation and they very well should get credit because they "discovered" it. But the actual person(s) making the decision and directing the cancellation/cut is the President and/or Agency head - PERIOD.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Re: When DOGE meets the biggest elephant in the room, the DOD
Feb 7, 2025, 5:10 PM
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ABSOLUTELY!!! I know for a fact there is waste in DoD - saw plenty of it during my career. So I'm 100% all for DOGE digging into the DoD and exposing the waste.
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Ring of Honor [23660]
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Re: Exactly how is the Constitution being trashed??
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Feb 7, 2025, 6:46 AM
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Oh wow, what a totally unbiased and fact-based take. Let’s break this down:
1. Congressional Control of Federal Spending
The U.S. Constitution grants Congress the exclusive power over federal expenditures. Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 states: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law." This means that only Congress can authorize the allocation or withholding of federal funds.
2. Executive Limitations on Defunding Agencies
While the President can propose budgetary changes or suggest the elimination of federal agencies, such actions require congressional approval. Unilateral attempts by the executive branch to defund or dismantle agencies without legislative consent are constitutionally questionable. For instance, recent efforts by the Trump administration to defund certain programs have faced legal challenges and judicial blocks. A federal judge temporarily halted the administration's attempt to pause federal funding, highlighting the judiciary's role in upholding the separation of powers. APNEWS.COM
3. Legal Precedents and Challenges
Historically, when the executive branch has attempted to withhold or reallocate funds without congressional approval, it has faced significant legal challenges. The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 was enacted to prevent the President from unilaterally refusing to spend funds that Congress has appropriated. Recent actions by the Trump administration have been met with lawsuits alleging violations of this act, underscoring the constitutional requirement for executive adherence to congressional spending decisions. APNEWS.COM
While the executive branch can influence budgetary priorities and propose changes, the power to fund or defund federal programs and agencies resides solely with Congress. Any attempt by the President to unilaterally defund agencies without congressional approval not only challenges this constitutional framework but also faces significant legal obstacles.
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you have acne!!***
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Feb 6, 2025, 8:57 PM
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Game Changer [1885]
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Co-presidents Trump and Musk dont care about
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:01 PM
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high spending and fiscal irresponsibility. Just look at Trump’s first term, he ran up the deficit and added a record level of debt. They are just throwing some meat to the culture war loving deplorables, firing anyone that dissents with Trump or MAGA, and reshaping government so they can use it to line their pockets. Elon didn’t donate tens of millions to Trump’s campaign out of the goodness of his heart, it was investment that he expects a return on, and this is how he gets it.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Believe what you want but can you name any other President or Administration
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:30 PM
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that has ever done a total Federal Bureaucracy audit that digs into every bit of our spending?? Have you ever seen one act as fast to cancel non-statutory contracts and frivolous Agency functions that were not advancing US policy or are in the best interests of the US tax payers?
First time I've seen it in my life and would contend that this Federal spending rectal exam is LONG OVERDUE.
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Game Changer [1885]
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For sure theres bloat, and I totally support cutting that out.
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Feb 6, 2025, 9:43 PM
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But they aren’t going through budgets line by line, digging into what the spending is for, and doing the work to see if it’s valid or not. They are just saying, I don’t like this agency let’s shut it down. It’s a bull and a china shop approach, they will break a bunch of stuff and then later on consider maybe fixing it. It shows they’re aren’t serious about cutting bloat, they’re just fighting the culture war and firing anyone that dissents with Trump. This was laid out in Project 2025, replacing federal workers up and down the ranks with loyalists.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Maybe the "bull in the china shop" approach is exactly what we need...
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:06 PM
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We've tried decades of GAO reports that kindly warn of the fiscal problems we are facing. Sure - while GAO testifies to Congress they put on their best concerned faces only to summarily ignore the reports 10 minutes after the hearing.
Then when every Administration takes office - they all quickly adopt the Swamp's approach of "going along to get along" and if pressed - throw up the their hands and say "there's nothing we can do".
So yeah - I'm good with the current bull in the china shop approach. Shake the whole darned Government's foundations and make them justify every Bureaucrats job and penny they spend. We can afford to take a temporary "pause" in most Federal spending in order to find out the depth of our bureaucratic spending problem and by the looks of things - it is worse than most of us imagined.
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Game Changer [1885]
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The only thing thats worse than I imagined is this
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:25 PM
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administration so far. Which is honestly surprising, I had a very low bar.
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Game Changer [1885]
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Yep, if they actually cared about cutting bloat,
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Feb 7, 2025, 6:05 AM
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they would do a Pareto chart and work biggest to smallest. But it’s not about that, it’s about going after those that MAGA dislikes.
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Ring of Honor [23660]
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Exactly.. NO ONE is going to look into Blackwater or let Medicade negotiate...
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Feb 7, 2025, 6:52 AM
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...with big pharma.
It's all red meat for people who don't know how things work or don't care.
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Re: GAO's Annual Report to Congress - our future's so dark we better wear NVGs...
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Maybe companies like Tesla could stop mooching off the government and start paying taxes. If you paid any income tax at all this year, you paid more than Tesla paid in 2022 and 2024 combined.
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Re: GAO's Annual Report to Congress - our future's so dark we better wear NVGs...
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Feb 6, 2025, 10:26 PM
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110%er [3621]
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How to blow a countrys balance sheet up inthree to six months
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Trade wars Inflationary tarrifs Tax cuts Crypto Mania
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Legend [6782]
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so the libs of tnet
Feb 7, 2025, 4:35 PM
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don't understand the original post, don't understand the debt, don't understand the interest being paid, etc.
But you do understand there are not just two genders and that everyone here that does not have a Libs of TNet patch is a racist.
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