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ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:20 PM
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Guys.... cmon. It's so bad.
Women's soccer... solid.
Women's tennis.... great
Volleyball... absolutely
Softball.... eh maybe but it's so much worse than baseball.
Lacrosse.... great
Gymnastics... amazing
other olympic sports... love it
Basketball.... it's sooooo bad.
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Sorry, Charlie, youre so wrong about wimmins basketball.***
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:22 PM
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I mean some people like watching speed walking so it depends.***
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:25 PM
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Re: Sorry, Charlie, youre so wrong about wimmins basketball.***
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:26 PM
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nope, he is right. the 'blue blood' mantra is very strong with the Ladies Basketball commentary. Way better coverage with the 'other' sports. Softball has even relented to other teams breaking into the fold.
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:25 PM
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Agreed. There is very logical reasoning for not enjoying women’s sports compared to men’s. But you’re labeled sexist if you think it’s lesser competition and not entertaining.
I just don’t care for women’s sports. I love women. Great actresses, singers, politicians I support. I don’t care to watch them play ball at a much lesser entertainment/talent level.
Also I disagree on soccer. I am a huge soccer fan and love Liverpool with a passion, the women are unbearable. Not everyone is USA women’s talent and even they would lose to a good high school men’s team.
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Women's soccer involves some legitimately impressive feats.
Nov 11, 2023, 8:31 PM
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I understand they can't do what men can do.... but it's still fun to see great accuracy, great awareness, great anticipation... and all the other things the elite women's soccer players can do.
But with basketball... it's all missing except a few are good at shooting. Everything else is WAY WAY worse.
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Re: Women's soccer involves some legitimately impressive feats.
Nov 11, 2023, 8:34 PM
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Idk I watch it pretty often and the shot power, technical moves and reaction time is worlds away just like basketball imo. I do watch both, but acting like it’s the same baffles me. I’d say women’s basketball is just as close to men’s as women’s soccer is if you compare it to top European teams.
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Re: Women's soccer involves some legitimately impressive feats.
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Are worlds apart *
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Agree to disagree, I'll just say the top 20 plays all-time in women's soccer
Nov 11, 2023, 8:37 PM
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are all incredible.
The top 20 plays all-time in women's basketball are still obviously nothing like even high school men's basketball.
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Re: Agree to disagree, I'll just say the top 20 plays all-time in women's soccer
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Nov 11, 2023, 9:39 PM
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Agree to disagree as you said, the top women’s basketball players are entertaining to me. Can’t say the same about soccer
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Re: Women's soccer involves some legitimately impressive feats.
Nov 17, 2023, 8:23 AM
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This is why softball is the most exciting of all women’s sports. It’s a fact that women are not as physical, fast, athletic, etc as men. That is why softball offsets that and makes the field of play smaller than that of which the men play on. Speeds everything up and is absolutely fun to watch.
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It was 14 yr old boys traveling team....
Nov 11, 2023, 10:34 PM
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from Texas that destroyed the USW Olympic squad. Speaking of which, it was announced yesterday by the international Olympic committee–a rule change–for the 2024 Summer Olympics: women soccer and women's beach volleyball (2player,) will be played in the nude. They are permitted suntan lotion but absolutely no apparel. (Well, it's about G D time!)
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 11, 2023, 8:44 PM
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Iowa's Caitlin Clark is the most exciting basketball player in college basketball. She's must watch TV.
I agree the girls don't play at the men's level but they have gotten really good the last few years.
Girls SB is really good.
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Caitlin Clark is really good at women's basketball.***
Nov 11, 2023, 8:46 PM
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Re: Those Are A Bunch Of People's Daughters Out There ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:45 PM
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If you're daughter was playing basketball...it would be he||a important to you.
Or you would be labeled an unsupportive father.
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If my daughter played basketball I would support her. But it wouldn't make
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:48 PM
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me start saying delusional things on message boards.
I love watching my kids play at any level. Doesn't change my opinion of sports in general. I can see reality still.
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Re: If my daughter played basketball I would support her. But it wouldn't make
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:52 PM
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A lot of people couldn’t care less about football. Does that mean it’s “reality” that it’s not worth watching?
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Re: If my daughter played basketball I would support her. But it wouldn't make
Nov 11, 2023, 8:59 PM
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You are missing the point. Nobody is saying people "shouldn't" watch it or that it is not "worth it" in "reality." People can like or dislike whatever they want for whatever reason they want..... but women's basketball would make more sense if it was like 8.5 foot rims.... and a smaller court or something. Like softball.
Women are basically playing the same game as the men but they can't do it well enough for it to work well. The 3 point line being in isn't enough. Do something else to change the game for women so its more compelling. It's like if they expected women to play baseball instead of softball. That would be awful.
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Re: If my daughter played basketball I would support her. But it wouldn't make
Nov 14, 2023, 1:29 PM
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SC women have scored over 100 points in their last two games. I’d say they can play the game.
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against women.***
Nov 16, 2023, 8:15 PM
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:51 PM
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This. OP is an idiot.
I have a girl cousin who played college basketball and coaches high school now.
My daughter loves basketball but I guess I’ll tell her she should quit because it’s so terrible.
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Re: Those Are A Bunch Of People's Daughters Out There ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 8:54 PM
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How do you not see how stupid this is?
Obviously everyone is going to support their family. Are you going to watch 4 year old t-ball on television if its not your kid?
People only watch that because it is their kid. And that's awesome. But it's obviously a nightmare from a sport's perspective. But as a dad, that doesn't matter at all. It's amazing to watch your kid.
Duh...
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Re: Those Are A Bunch Of People's Daughters Out There ---
Nov 11, 2023, 8:52 PM
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Then you would be devorced by your wife, sued for alimony/child support, and relegated to a life on skidrow. (WB parking lot near the dumsters)
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 11, 2023, 8:59 PM
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It's obvious to most people (not all) that men are better than women in sports. We watch CFB when the NFL players are better than college players.
Women's college basketball has really improved the last however many years. Girls SB at the top level is really exciting. I'm a baseball fan and I love watching SB just as much.
It's about the competition and the level of play. Look how good the girls can shoot the three point shot now.
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SB makes way more sense because they drastically changed baseball to suit
Nov 11, 2023, 9:01 PM
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the female athlete. It's more compelling. They didn't change basketball nearly enough. Lower the rims. Make the court smaller. Make it 4 v 4 or something.
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Wont help. Women just look awkward and unathletic playing bball. Is what it is.***
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Nov 14, 2023, 12:16 PM
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 11, 2023, 8:59 PM
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Clemson cared a lot when Jim was coaching. Just saying
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Not really. Look at revenue.***
Nov 11, 2023, 9:01 PM
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women's sports can be just as compelling and entertaining
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Nov 11, 2023, 9:44 PM
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in their own way.
Last year's women's final four was better than the men's for sure. I also much prefer college softball to baseball.
I think it's good for ESPN to promote it because it creates interest and shows that it can be great. All about the platform. That's why women's tennis has way more history and popularity than other women's sports, because they have been getting that platform since the 70s. While it took until the 90s or even later for other women's sports.
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Re: women's sports can be just as compelling and entertaining
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Nov 14, 2023, 12:10 PM
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Not basketball. No way. There is no element about women's basketball that is as compelling as men's. The average game is less competitive (statistically based on score difference) and there are less possible actions taken by players due to physical limitations.... there are no tactical or strategic elements that are more compelling, there are no rule differences that allow for more entertaining scenerio... there is literally nothing physical, intellectual or statistical about women's basketball that is even potentially more compelling than a game of men's basketball. (This is NOT speaking of women's sport's in general)
The same can NOT be said for all women's sports. Some may argue there are other sports that the above applies to. I happen to find women's world cup soccer comparatively compelling (maybe like 2/3) but others here disagree with that. I don't have a solid argument against them. I tried my best in the thread above.
I believe the physical gap between men and women shows up much more in basketball (upper body) than it does in soccer (lower body). And the difference between men and women in sports like tennis is less obvious when watching a game. Women do the same things men do just slower and less powerful.... but their skill is still impressive and compelling. I enjoy watching women's tennis for example.
Most women's basketball games involve a lot of BAD basketball. Women's tennis isn't BAD tennis. With WBB, you see a lot more goofy errors, displays of physical limitations, layup, layup, layup, pop shot, pop shot, layup. Only in a few games (like the most recent NCAA tourney) were most of the games potentially entertaining.
They should lower the rims, shrink the court, and play 4 v 4.... and then boom.... problem solved. It instantly becomes more watchable. It's like watching guys play on 13 foot rims with a ball that is twice as big. It's just awkward.
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The only time I've really enjoyed watching women's basketball
Nov 14, 2023, 12:18 PM
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was last year's NCAA Tournament when Caitlin Clark was dominating for Iowa.
That was cool. Otherwise, hard pass.
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The same obvious gap doesn't quite exist in many other sports. It's massive.***
Nov 14, 2023, 12:25 PM
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And WYFF Greenville sure goes out of their way to
Nov 14, 2023, 1:01 PM
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talk about Gangsta Staley and her bunch.
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I think i agree. The gap in athleticism is more
Nov 14, 2023, 1:06 PM
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apparent in basketball than any other sport. High level men's basketball is played above the rim, and women's basketball is just grounded to the floor. The average vertical is probably 6 inches.
It's a very different sport.
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Re: I think i agree. The gap in athleticism is more
Nov 14, 2023, 1:57 PM
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Have you watched EPL men vs women soccer? The difference in athleticism is amplified due to the size of the field. Soccer has so much more ground to cover, so the sheer speed and athleticism gap just jumps off the page.
Women's soccer dad here, checking in with women's basketball being a better product than soccer. The WNT routinely gets destroyed by U15/U16 boys teams. They lost 5-2 to a U15 team from Dallas...not a national team. There are probably not a lot of local 14 year old boys bball teams that could beat the US women's bball team.
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
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Nov 14, 2023, 1:11 PM
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The proof is in the fan base or lack thereof. They’ d get more views if the cheerleaders were playing.
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Right but does ESPN know what a woman is?
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Nov 14, 2023, 1:54 PM
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I doubt it.
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 14, 2023, 3:41 PM
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We used to bet on whether or not either team would score in a 3 minute stretch.
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Theres not enough talent to make more than 4 or 5 barely watchable teams.***
Nov 16, 2023, 8:14 PM
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 16, 2023, 8:38 PM
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I’m just not an avid basketball person. Was when I was young and pull for Clemson regardless of the sport, but it’s just a sport that doesn’t move the needle for myself.
Love soccer… always have.
Softball is really fun to watch and I enjoy baseball.
Golf is a sport I can still play or let’s just say some day’s I attempt to play. So I do try to keep up with the golf news.
I know absolutely nothing about gymnastics or lacrosse.
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 17, 2023, 8:00 AM
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Womens tennis is great. Just watch a match between Giorgi and Badosa and you'll become a fan. Also, add Wozniacki in there too.
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 17, 2023, 9:08 AM
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A hard NO. Women's BB good.
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Re: ESPN trying hard to make people care about women's basketball.
Nov 17, 2023, 9:12 AM
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I’m a strong believer that if the rim were lowered by 6 inches it would make women’s basketball much more entertaining. Above the rim play is probably the most exciting part of basketball and it’s completely missing from the women’s game.
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