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Dynasty Maker [3234]
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CFP has got to establish some rules. If all goes
Nov 17, 2022, 5:24 PM
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accordingly, Tennessee will end up in the CFP. I’m not saying they are not one of the best four teams, but, like Alabama several years ago, they won’t win their division and won’t have to play in the SEC Championship game. This gives them a week of rest and not have to risk getting any injuries against a strong opponent. In the meantime, Georgia, who is already a lock, has to play an extra game and risk getting injuries. I don’t have the answer but we need some black and white rules. Maybe start with at a minimum you have to win your division.
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Playmaker [373]
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Re: CFP has got to establish some rules. If all goes
Nov 17, 2022, 5:32 PM
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I would agree but the 12 team expansion that is about to roll out will put the nail in on that.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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The BCS was designed to put the best 2 teams in and because
Nov 17, 2022, 5:35 PM
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there were arguments, the CFP went to four.
If Tennessee is determined to be 1 of the best 4 teams, then mission accomplished.
It should be about excellence, yet they are going to 12 teams?
That's a joke.
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Orange Immortal [65732]
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As long as we have people deciding who the "best" team(s)
Nov 17, 2022, 5:56 PM
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are, it's a problem, whether it's 12, 4, 2, or 1.
The best scenario would be where all teams are in a conference and division, just like the NFL. All who make the playoff would be there because they won their way in, not because somebody voted them in. That would require reorganizing conferences for the purposes of having such a playoff.
Until such a reasonble, common sense approach is accepted, and we have to rely on people who are subject to bias and media influence, there must be restrcitions that make sure that winning is rewarded above all else, and opinions regarding "who's best" have as little influence as humanly possible.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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In a ~32 team NFL a 7-9 Seattle made it into the playdowns..
Nov 17, 2022, 6:03 PM
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let's not ruin CFB too.
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Orange Immortal [65732]
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That's a gazillion times better than what we have now,
Nov 17, 2022, 6:32 PM
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where it's determined by people's opinions like a beauty pageant.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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No, not remotely. And it's not just a beauty contest, there
Nov 17, 2022, 6:40 PM
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are hard numbers involved.
The last thing anyone should be striving for is a bunch of 6-3, 6-4, 5-5[current NFL standings] division winners littering a great game & playoff system.
Conference championships should matter and they do, but I've no issue considering all the available data used, determining an 11-1 team better than a 12-1, because their loss might be to one of the best in the land.
Should it happen, it's really not that difficult, unless you're trying to make it so.
It's bad enough in a 32 team NFL, only worse in a 64 to 130ish Division 1 landscape.
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Orange Immortal [65732]
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Hard numbers and achievements, which can be ignored,
Nov 17, 2022, 7:02 PM
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emphasized, or deemphasized to satisfy an agenda or biases. The NFL does it much better by eliminating all of that. The criteria is clear-cut and there's nothing to beotch about. A 12 team playoff will be a huge step in the right direction, and should allow all major conference champs in.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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"Biases and agendas"? The boogeyman doesn't get any run?
Nov 17, 2022, 7:10 PM
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The 12 team playoff is about money. The 4 team playoff semi-games have been poor, notoriously lopsided.
College football has suffered enough from money grabs and a great, nigh perfect event[4 teams] will suffer as well.
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Orange Immortal [65732]
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No boogeyman - just facts.
Nov 17, 2022, 7:20 PM
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People are biased, and are influenced by other biased people. ESPN drives the narrative, and while most committee members I'm sure try to follow the guidelines and remain as objective as possible, they can't help but get the message and be influenced to varying degrees. If that's an acceptable way to pick who's deserving, then why play any games at all, all season long? Just let talking heads and committees pick the winners based on their opinions, and crown a champion? No, the answer is not just money, they play the games because it's about competition at it's heart, and that means playing games and to the winners go the spoils. Of course people make a shidload of money off of it, but the people who gain the most from that are the same ones shaping the narrative. The objective is to not let them tell us who's best and who's most deserving.
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TigerNet Champion [117416]
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Yes, you seem to be, it's telling. What happened to you?
Nov 17, 2022, 7:30 PM
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The committee has done a fantastic job since inception.
It should be about excellence and it has been, but that's changing - unfortunately for a committee that has shown nothing short of integrity and adherence to its stated vision and goals.
Just because you are susceptible to the noise, does not mean those men & women are or have been.
12 teams is about the money, nothing more.
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Dynasty Maker [3234]
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E$PN is our downfall. I promise you. Let Vegas pick
Nov 17, 2022, 8:51 PM
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the top four. They are more accurate than all the rest.
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Clemson Conqueror [11405]
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All that needed to be done with the 4 team CFP was this...
Nov 18, 2022, 7:41 AM
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Have a rule that a team that did not win it's conference could not get in over a conference winner, unless they had less losses. Thus, Tennessee this year would not get in unless the remaining conference champs had at least two losses. They wouldn't get in over a one loss TCU, USC or Clemson!
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Associate AD [1088]
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Re: That's a gazillion times better than what we have now,
Nov 17, 2022, 7:30 PM
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If it is not broken then don’t fix it.
NCAA football is the greatest sport in America.
It was better when it was corky.
Stop trying to “fix it”
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Rival Killer [2939]
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What you're really saying is
Nov 17, 2022, 6:14 PM
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"I hope Clemson gets in over better teams and somehow lucks its way to a title."
Look, I'd like to see a fourth trophy, but this year's squad is not championship material. Maybe we win the ACC title (we're a favorite) but let's be real. We haven't been a real contender since Trevor left.
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Ring of Honor [22746]
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Re: What you're really saying is
Nov 17, 2022, 6:31 PM
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I'm OK with the part about lucking in and winning another NC... 
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Paw Warrior [4845]
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Re: What you're really saying is
Nov 17, 2022, 6:32 PM
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The best 4 or 2 or 16 like Division 3 it will be subjective until there are firm rules on who is in and who advances. Did I mention Division 3?
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Top TigerNet [30044]
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They do have rules.
Nov 17, 2022, 7:02 PM
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Rules: Pick the 4 best teams.
A few years ago didn't Bama make the playoffs the year Auburn won the SECW? Precedence has been set.
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Associate AD [1088]
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Re: They do have rules.
Nov 18, 2022, 3:36 AM
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Fans like (or dislike) the rules depending upon how it plays out for their team.
Clemson fans want conference championships to be important this year.
But Clemson fan sentiment will evolve into the future when we have another GREAT team but slip up and don’t win the conference.
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Rival Killer [2858]
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4 best or 4 most deserving?
Nov 18, 2022, 7:26 AM
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I think Tennessee vs Southern Cal or Clemson will be interesting dilemma for the committee, assuming USC and/or Clemson wins out. I could see Tennessee being at #4 in the CFP standings the week before the conference championships, but a Pac 12 / ACC championship might vault either of those two over Tennessee.
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Clemson Conqueror [11405]
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I don't think we will or should, vault over TN in that scenario...
Nov 18, 2022, 7:47 AM
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However, USC should, considering the games they will have remaining.
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