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Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It


Apr 22, 2025, 8:18 AM
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The 51(17+17+17) & 153 numerical patterns found all throughout the Bible in relation to the 2nd coming are tied directly to Michael the Archangel.

The cumulative alphabetic value of "Michael" is 51 or 17+17+17.
M = 13th letter
I = 9th letter
C = 3rd letter
H = 8th letter
A = 1st letter
E = 5th letter
L = 12th letter. Add them up & you get 51 or 17+17+17.

Matthew 24:31; Matthew = 7 letters so 7+2+4+3+1 = 17

Mark 13:27; Mark = 4 letters so 4+1+3+2+7 = 17

Luke 21:28; Luke = 4 letters so 4+2+1+2+8 = 17

All 3 verses deal with His return.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1+16 = 17, then verse 17, then add the 4 to the 13 letters in "Thessalonians" to get the other 17. 3×17 = 51.
Same event. Same numbers. This pattern stretches from Genesis to Revelation.

"Michael The Archangel" has a cumulative alphabetic value of 153. "Michael" as demonstrated above comes to 51. "The" comes to 33. And "Archangel" comes to 69. 51+33+69 = 153.

In 2 Kings 1:10-15, after 3 groups of 51 (captain + 50) or 153, the man of God comes down from the "hill". Secod coming allegory.

In Matthew 4:19 we are told about the "fishers of men". In John 21:11 we see 153 fish caught...symbolism for the totality of the church soul harvest.

In Matthew 24 verse 3, "end of the world" is words 36 thru 39 of verse 3. 36+37+38+39+3 = 153.

In Matthew 24:14, "then shall the end come" is words 21 thru 25 of verse 14 of chapter 24. 21+22+23+24+25+14+24 = 153.

Philippians 3:21 describes the changing of our bodies at His 2nd coming. Philippians has a cumulative alphabetic value of 129. Plus chapter 3 plus verse 21 = 153

In Exodus 6:18 "Kohath" appears twice in the verse and this name means "gathering". Same terminology used for the rapture. Kohath's 2nd use here is the 20th word in the verse & it is in context of his age which is 133....20+133 = 153.

God declares the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10). In Genesis 1, the first 153 words end at the end of verse 8. In the very next verse, there is a reference to waters being gathered together unto one place. In the book of Revelation, waters are likened to multitudes of peoples. Gathered together after 153.


Michael is the pre incarnate Christ. He is the Angel mentioned in Isaiah 63:9 Who is a saviour & redeemer. According to Isaiah 43:11, God is the only saviour. So if that Angel isn't God, you got yourself a major contradiction.

He is not a "regular" created angel. He is the Creator manifested physically. It's why Deuteronomy 34 says that the Lord buried Moses but Jude says Michael contended with Satan over his body. Michael means "who is like God" & "gift from God". In John chapter 4, verse 10, Christ says:

John 4:10
King James Version
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the GIFT OF GOD, AND WHO IT IS that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

In Exodus 23:20-21 God sends an Angel Who has His name in Him. In John 5:43 Christ says He came in His Father's name. In John 10:25 He says He does works in His Father's name.

In Daniel chapter 10, verses 5 thru 7, after 21(7+7+7) days, Daniel sees a man who matches the description of Christ in Revelation 1:13-15. Daniel falls on his face like John did (Revelation 1:17). The people with Daniel flee to hide themselves just like the people do in Revelation 6:15-17. In this same chapter, Michael comes to help Gabriel after 21(7+7+7) days. Jesus's 2nd coming is at 777(seals, trumpets, vials). Daniel saw Michael, fell on his face & then Gabriel came to talk to him. Michael was with Gabriel because as he tells you at the end of the chapter, He had come to help him.

The Lord is a man of war (Exodus 15:3). And Christ wages war in righteousness (Revelation 19:11). Yet who is fighting the war in Revelation 12:7? Michael. And here they are called Michael's angels. Yet in John 1:51 they're called God's angels. And in Matthew 24:30-31 & Mark 13:26-27 they're called the Son of Man's angels. And in 2 Thessalonians 1:7 they're called Jesus's angels. So Who do they belong to? A man cannot serve 2 masters, let alone 3. And if heaven is God's home & He is a man of war then why is Michael leading the charge in battle?

Who is it that "stands up" in Daniel 12 verse 1? Michael. Doesn't standing up imply that He was seated? Isn't Jesus seated? (Hebrews 12:2). By the way, Gabriel isn't seated, he STANDS before God. (Luke 1:19)

There's only 1 mediator between God & man (1 Timothy 2:5) & that 1 mediator Who is offering up our prayers to God the Father in Revelation 8 is called "another angel". In Revelation 18 this "another angel" comes down with great power & glory like Jesus does in Matthew 24:30. And He lights up the world just like Christ does in John 8:12 & Matthew 24:27. (see also Ezekiel 43:2)

In Revelation 7, this "another angel" is coming from the east just like Christ does in Matthew 24:27. (see also Ezekiel 43:1-4)

This is the same "angel" Who fed Elijah supernaturally in 1 Kings 19. And He promises to feed the church supernaturally too (Revelation 2:17). This is the same "angel" & Captain of God's Armies (host in KJB) Who told Moses & Joshua to take their shoes off because they were on holy ground. (Exodus 3:1-5 & Joshua 5:13-15) If He is the Captain of the Armies of heaven, then the Armies follow Him (Revelation 19:14).

In the KJB the word "archangel" is only used twice. It is attributed to Michael one of those times (Jude 9) The other time it's used is:

1 Thessalonians 4:16
King James Version
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Why does Jesus have the voice of the archangel? Because His pre incarnate name was Michael. By the way; "archangel" is the 17th word in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Thessalonians = 13 letters plus chapter 4 = 17. 1+16(book # plus verse #) = 17. That's 3 17's or 51 tied to this verse where archangel is mentioned. And as I stated above, "Michael" has a cumulative alphabetic value of 51 or 17+17+17. And if you add the word #s 1 thru 17(archangel is 17th word) (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17) you get 153; the cumulative alphabetic value of "Michael The Archangel".

The cults only get this partially right by linking Jesus to Michael. But where they go off the rails is when they claim that He is a created "regular angel". As I demonstrated earlier in this post, if that Angel in Isaiah 63:9 is a saviour, then He has to be God (Isaiah 43:11). I do not pray to Michael nor do I pray to God the Father thru Michael nor will I ever. And I do not recommend you doing so either. Acts chapter 4 is my justification for this:

Acts 4:10-12
King James Version
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

But man made, organized "christian" church culture botches this teaching badly and so do the cults who use it to deny His deity. We are to test all things by the Book, not by what conclusions our denominations & "friends" demand we reach.

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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It

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Apr 22, 2025, 8:22 AM
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Apr 22, 2025, 8:27 AM
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That's an awful lot of work to make the bible say what you want it to say.***

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Apr 22, 2025, 9:32 AM
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Re: That's an awful lot of work to make the bible say what you want it to say.***


Apr 22, 2025, 2:31 PM
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Like looking at your twin - just the polar opposite twin.

sorry... not trying to be mean.

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Re: That's an awful lot of work to make the bible say what you want it to say.***


Apr 22, 2025, 2:48 PM
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Please tell me you are not suggesting that he ignores what the Bible says?

We are the ones that point out what it ACTUALLY says.

Like when Jesus says salvation is attained by following the law and giving to the poor.

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Don't you have a neighbor who needs help

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Apr 22, 2025, 4:47 PM
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building a fence for their dog?


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Apr 22, 2025, 6:09 PM
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Sorry I know you have selective reading but his dog is already dead 😉.

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I believe this would need to work in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek not English.

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Apr 22, 2025, 5:46 PM
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The spellings and numbers would be different compared to what you have presented in the OP. Old English translations did not come around until the middle ages, the original bibles would have been an Aramaic or Hebrew text. I am no biblical scholar by a long-shot but this does seem oddly convenient. Being open minded, I am excited to learn new things but I have never heard any sermon or homily claiming the Archangel Michael to be the Christ.

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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It

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Apr 22, 2025, 7:38 PM
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