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Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 4:54 PM
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In the endzone. Was that not targeting? He did not lower his head but hitting the QB in the head with anything is targeting is it not?
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He didn't lead with the helmet. Are you a coot?
Nov 14, 2017, 4:56 PM
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This is a coot post.
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Re: He didn't lead with the helmet. Are you a coot?
Nov 14, 2017, 4:58 PM
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No but his helmet hit Blackmons right in the face. I have seen the call it for a hand hitting the QB in the face.
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Re: He didn't lead with the helmet. Are you a coot?
Nov 14, 2017, 5:00 PM
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Re: He didn't lead with the helmet. Are you a coot?
Nov 14, 2017, 5:02 PM
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Thanks for the thumbs down lol. I just want to understand the rule on targeting against the qb.
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I already explained it once. Are you a USuC student?
Nov 14, 2017, 5:40 PM
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He didn't lead with the helmet or spear himself into him. He lifted his @$$ off the ground and sent him flying back 6 yards.
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Re: He didn't lead with the helmet. Are you a coot?
Nov 14, 2017, 5:06 PM
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No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-V
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Re: He didn't lead with the helmet. Are you a coot?
Nov 14, 2017, 11:58 PM
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Keyword there is defenseless. He saw that #### coming! lol
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Can you post a link to the play in question?***
Nov 14, 2017, 5:03 PM
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Re: Can you post a link to the play in question?***
Nov 14, 2017, 5:09 PM
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It is the condensed game on YouTube around the 4:50 mark
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Was definitely helmet to helmet, however, I believe since
Nov 14, 2017, 5:12 PM
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Wilkin's head was up and Blackmon was hit by Ferrell that would have been the reason it wasn't called.
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Re: Was definitely helmet to helmet, however, I believe since
Nov 14, 2017, 5:14 PM
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Yes keeping his head up was a good thing but he still hit him high, helmet to helmet. It was a nasty shot. Nothing like the hit on Carter but Blackmon was defenseless.
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Re: Was definitely helmet to helmet, however, I believe since
Nov 14, 2017, 5:17 PM
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I think Blackmon getting hit/pulled by Ferrell made it worse than it would have been, and I'm assuming the review people felt that way.
At least I feel that should be taken into account because a lot of helmet to helmet isn't just because of a defender and an offensive player, but rather multiple defenders, linemen falling/pushing, etc.
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Re: Was definitely helmet to helmet, however, I believe since
Nov 14, 2017, 5:33 PM
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Thank you for your opinion and being civil. I was just trying to have a conversation about if it could have been called and people start calling me a coot. I just do not understand sometimes. Thanks again. Go Tigers.
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Re: Only reasonable thing you have said "nothing like the hit on
Nov 14, 2017, 10:54 PM
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You are an idiot. Some of you people are truly sad.
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You have to support a post like that with pic or time ofgame
Nov 14, 2017, 5:04 PM
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so we can easily look at it.
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don’t know why I bothered
Nov 14, 2017, 5:11 PM
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You talking about tre Lamar? I haven’t seen highlights describing what you said with Wilkins but I did with Lamar. That was head to chest and no head to head contact seen.
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Re: don’t know why I bothered
Nov 14, 2017, 5:15 PM
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You Tube. Acc network Clemson vs fsu condensed.
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Re: don’t know why I bothered
Nov 14, 2017, 5:21 PM
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The Lamar hit was iffy too. It does not have to be head to head to be targeting. He did lead with the crown. The play I am talking about is the strip sack in the end zone.
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Re: don’t know why I bothered
Nov 14, 2017, 5:24 PM
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Tre's hit was clean all the way, facemask to numbers.
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Re: don’t know why I bothered
Nov 14, 2017, 5:40 PM
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I agree.
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Re: Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 5:12 PM
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He hit his helmet with his helmet leading. He had his head up but he made forceable contact with the head. I am glad it was not called but could it have been?
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We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:10 PM
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You just can't help yourself anymore can you? Dude you are less than 48 hrs from writing 500 posts about why the coots should be ranked. Get real.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:17 PM
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I am probably the biggest KB supporter on here but you wanna act like I am a coot. I said the Coots should be ahead of NC St because they have the same record and they beat them head to head and State has beat nobody and they are ranked so yes sc should he ranked. I am not a hater like most of yall.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:24 PM
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no - they shouldn't. if you know anything about football, then you would understand why. please don't make me explain it to you. record is not the issue.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:26 PM
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I understand why you think they should but I think that if 2 teams have played head to head and have about the same quality of Ws that the winner of the head to head should be ranked higher. How does that not make since to you? Because it is south Carolina and you hate them?
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:34 PM
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no - because they have played a sh1tty schedule and barely won against inferior teams. wake is clearly better if you have watched them play.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:36 PM
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wake would school them. state beat themselves. simple. if they played state 10 times state would win 8. anyone with any idea or had football knowledge can see that. ridiculous argument.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:38 PM
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I think the issue is that almost all (except for NC State) of the coots wins are literally against bottom teams in the SEC.
Florida, Mizzou, Tennesee, Vandy, and Arkansas are a combined 6-26 in conference play and they have losses to A&M and Kentucky which aren't anything to write home about.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:40 PM
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last play of the game to beat tenn, who is quite frankly one of the worst teams in d1. and a miracle catch to beat la tech. a miracle to beat la tech. have they played better lately - yes. are they better than wake or state - absolutely not. not even close.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:45 PM
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They beat State though. They controlled the game the whole time. Never were down and up 14 in the fourth. State had 2 turnovers and SC capitalized on them. Yes State out gained them on O but SC had a kick return and the TDs off turnovers takes away some yards from the O. If they played again I would take State but it would be close I believe. State played great against us but has not looked that good against other teams.
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Re: We are getting so close to the 25th
Nov 14, 2017, 5:53 PM
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State's best Ws are against UL and BC.
SCs best Ws are against NC St and Mizz.
Which is better?
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FSU lacks quality character as a team.
Nov 14, 2017, 5:11 PM
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FSU's leadership lacks the drive to control that team. Nothing has changed, Daddy Bowden was just as bad in that aspect. It almost looks like they are trying to get an invitation to join the SEC. I hope they take NCS with them. Right now both teams are overrated and dirty to the core.
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Re: Wilkins didn't use the crown of his helmet (link)
Nov 14, 2017, 5:19 PM
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I understand but that is not the lone rule for targeting. Again I am glad it was not called I am just asking it it could have been.
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What are you going to do when...
Nov 14, 2017, 5:18 PM
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we smack you down at the chicken coop on Nov. 25th? Has it dawned on you yet that next year you're going to get that thumb shoved back up your own a$$, you pathetic imposter?
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Re: What are you going to do when...
Nov 14, 2017, 5:23 PM
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Why would you want us to get smacked down by the coots? Grow tf up dude. People can say KB sucks all day on here and not get called a coot but I ask if our guy could have got called with targeting and get called one?
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Re: What are you going to do when...
Nov 14, 2017, 5:44 PM
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watch it again - refs miss a lot of calls. that was not one of them
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Re: What are you going to do when...
Nov 14, 2017, 5:51 PM
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I don't think it was but by the rules it could have been called. I have seen less called. Hitting a defenseless QB in the head with anything can be targeting it does not have to be the crown.
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Re: What are you going to do when...
Nov 14, 2017, 6:04 PM
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Contact was shoulder to shoulder, not head to head in this case.
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That's just a prototype of what's gonna happen to Bentley...
Nov 14, 2017, 5:21 PM
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...over and over again but it will be with others like Bryant, Lawrence, Clelin, et al.
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Re: That's just a prototype of what's gonna happen to Bentley...
Nov 14, 2017, 5:24 PM
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I sure hope so. We are going to eat Bentley alive but is Collins a walk on or something?
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I understand he the walk on punter who is gonna....
Nov 14, 2017, 5:27 PM
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...kick Bentley in the jewels at half time as an exhibit.
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Re: Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 5:28 PM
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To help you understand the rule, leading with your face out is much less likely to get called as helmet to helmet contact as you're properly tackling and typically not putting the entire grunt force of the hit to the opposing players head. "Launching" or leading with the top of your helmet to hit a defenseless player, or spearing/launching into the helmet of an opposing would result in a penalty and for sure ejection if the review shows it is with bad intent or considered dirty after the review.
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Re: Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 5:31 PM
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I understand and I do not think it should be called. I have just seen targeting be called for a hand hitting the QBs helmet so I thought that one could have been. Glad it wasn't.
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What I wouldn't give for your kinda free time . . . jelly.***
Nov 14, 2017, 5:40 PM
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Re: What I wouldn't give for your kinda free time . . . jelly.***
Nov 14, 2017, 5:56 PM
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While you are on here though? It has been slow at work though.
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Re: Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 5:54 PM
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Hands to the face is in itself a personal foul due to the high chance of a neck injury, eye jab etc. Glad I could help!
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Re: Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 5:57 PM
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I know but I have seen it called targeting. Not grabbing the face just hitting it.
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Re: Wilkins hit on Blackmon when he fumbled
Nov 14, 2017, 6:05 PM
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Did you click on the link to "Hang on..." See excerpt. What was the indicator for targeting?
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
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