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The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:19 PM
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Is because he's simply not a very good coach in terms of game management or in-game adjustments. Never has been, never will be.
We turned the corner in 2011 because he hired some of the best minds in the country to run our offense and defense. Those minds helped secure the very best quarterbacks and players in the entire country. Hence, we went on a historic run.
It's not very complicated why we have struggled since our peak in 2018 - those coaches have taken other jobs and NIL has completely undercut what makes Dabo special - his ability to motivate a player and sell a vision to his mother during the recruiting process.
That pitch now falls on deaf ears with $ on the table. Unless dabo can somehow convince the best coordinators to coach at Clemson and get the very best QB/players out of the portal, then don't expect for us to be a competitive program at the highest level.
It is what it is. Dabo built it but he is simply not equipped to maintain it in today's climate. He has given me some of the best memories of my life these past 15 years so he has earned my support but I am no longer under the illusion that we will bounce back.
Go Tigers. Always and forever.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:23 PM
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I feel the same way about this team and Dabo but you are exactly right.
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I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:26 PM
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The stages of grief are:
1. Denial
2. Bargaining
3. Anger
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
I am teetering between stages 4 and 5 at this point.
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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Stage 6. Apathy. I now watch games just to see if the 'staff' really changes anything of note.
I was texting with my best bud during the game and just considering it a comedy show as you gotta laugh to keep from crying.
We have moments of wow, then what the heck was that (play call, player substitution, defense gaff, etc)
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Couldn't agree more. There are certain coaching decisions
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:32 PM
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And in-game adjustments we make that children on Madden wouldn't even be guilty of.
It's beyond maddening. But the reality is that's been the case the entire Dabo era we just had such good players that it wasn't the difference between winning and losing.
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:43 PM
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I’m at stage 7, the “I kinda couldn’t care less” stage..spent the day at Dollywood..didn’t even think about the game till I got back in the car to come home..
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Smart man.
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:48 PM
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Will probably be doing that the rest of this season. May take my 3-year old to the Furman game.
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Re: Smart man.
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Oct 18, 2025, 10:05 PM
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Smart, take him to the only other game we will still be favored in (maybe).
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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Oct 19, 2025, 11:56 AM
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Not a coot. They have no reason to come to a 3-4 team forum when they are 3-4.
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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My wife and I went camping in the outerbanks for LSU game and have only sat and watched 1 game for all 4 quarters all season.. I could care less about now and it sucks because we would attend 2-3 homes and 1 away game every season..I'm not longer funding this mess at Clemson. Swinney has hired so.many unqualified coaches due to personal relationships with them. He is solely responsible for this. He has plenty of financial support and gets anything that he asks for at Clemson. Im out until he changes(not happening) or he is gone. I personally hope attendance for the remaining games is 50% capacity. Dabo will not listen to reason. So fans will show him. This isn't gonna end pretty.
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Ive been a die hard my whole life since before
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:53 PM
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I even knew what football was. I’m 50 now and the last two years I’ve unfortunately turned into a passive watcher of the game. I’ve only watched two games this year where I was 100% dialed in to watch them without something else going on distracting me or multi tasking. I’m saddened by that fact and a little embarrassed to admit it. Dabo’s arrogant approach has really frustrated me the last 4 years, the friends coaching hires, all the friends and families scholarships to kids esp after the 1 top player at a position we were after ended up a UGA/Bama or Ohio State for our only back up be to a kid that had some kind of tie back to a former player, Bama or a player he played with a Bama. The last press conference where he talked about” if you are tired of winning then fire me” really pissed me off cause we have not beaten anyone with a pulse in 3-4 years or maybe 1 win during that time that was quality. He was very fortunate with some really good coaches and they all left and he replaced them with a bunch of guys with little to 0 P4 college coaching exp, including the previous OL coach Austin and previous DC. I think at one point we had 6 of them that had never coached at this level or in college at all and they were all hired within about 18 months of each other. You can’t do that to team coming off multiple championships. Just not right, and an insult to the people who give so much money, time and effort supporting that.
It feels like he really believes he is above the program and the program is not above him and no one else can do what he does here. It’s just frustrating and I know we are all grateful for 2015-2020.
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Very well put.
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:56 PM
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Dabo needs to start talking less, and producing more.
When Smart, Day, Saban, etc. lose they say very little, appear pissed off, and go back to work.
I wish Dabo would adopt a little bit more of that approach.
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Re: Very well put.
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Oct 19, 2025, 12:24 AM
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Less is more/..
Been saying it on here for years.
Too many times he says too much stuff that gets himself into trouble. Totally self-inflicted.
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Re: Ive been a die hard my whole life since before
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I agree with you and the OP as to why we ended up in this position, but I think that Dabo has reluctantly changed. Riley was the hottest OC around at the time. The only complaint anyone had with him was that he was going to leave for a head coaching position and we were going to be searching for a new OC. Luke had been a very highly respected Oline coach. Allen was supposed to have been one of the top DC's around.
Last year Dabo finally went to the portal and we got 3 guys that have contributed quite a bit this year. I have heard people say that we should have picked up another QB. News flash kids don't transfer to be a back up. I have heard that we should have found a running back, but does anyone honestly think that we could have gotten someone that would have done much better than our current RB's. Short of a Barry Sanders that could find a hole that wasn't there, or better yet an Earl Campbell that just made his own holes it wouldn't have helped much.
Dabo made the mistakes that started us down this road, but he has made turns to try and get us back on track. They just have not brought us out where most of us thought that they would.
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Orange Blooded [2443]
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Re: Ive been a die hard my whole life since before
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This is a very well nuanced point. I don't think anyone wants to see Dabo go, but these are HIS makings unfortunately. And HE has to address them (or not).
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Re: Ive been a die hard my whole life since before
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I think one of the problems is that he will hire hot coordinators now but doesn’t let them hire their own staff. So the coordinators are saddled with position coaches who have never coached at this level and don’t know how to evaluate and develop talent. Also, Dabo rewards loyalty with playing time instead of putting the best players on the field.
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Game Changer [1684]
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And that's why Sammy Brown gets more PT
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than Kobe McCloud, right?
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But there are lots of other issues....
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...look at our defense. We have a few studs who are under-performing outside of Sammy and a team full of low-quality athletes.
Roster management has been a disaster and development has been falling for quite some time now too.
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Re: But there are lots of other issues....
Oct 19, 2025, 2:34 PM
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Yes. There has been a huge talent drop-off in recent years. Fans keep thinking Clemson is loaded with studs, but i think they are living in the past. Roster is not very deep
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Re: Ive been a die hard my whole life since before
Oct 19, 2025, 2:55 PM
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The problem is that yes he has hired new OC and DC but would t let them hire their own position coaches. Dabo brought them in and said are your position guys and by the way here is the Clemson playbook. I saw a list of former players on the team and could not believe all the names. I think there is were the problem is. No reason the Sweeney boys were given a scholarship and then handed a job making no telling what after graduation.
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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Pathetic “fans”. Clemson will KEEP Dabo and hoping TONS of pathetic “fans” abandon ship!!! Always good to purge those that work to tear down!!!
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:31 AM
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Same, I watch for amusement now. Funny things like watching SMU throw into triple coverage and seeing our corner and two safeties watch the receiver catch the ball, all three of them within arms reach of him and completely unaware of where he is or where the ball is or where the QB was looking….question then, What Were they looking at???
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Yup.. I’m at No. 5…. My daughter asked me why I was so upset at this game & not the other 3 (😂) & I told her it’s because today I had to accept that we’re now just another irrelevant football program and I remember how long it took us to grow from there and we are going to have to do that all over again.
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It's a bitter pill to swallow, but
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I'm so grateful for how high we climbed. Never thought I was experience that level of success ever in my lifetime.
Now it's time to start the climb again. How long will it take? Well...it's mostly up to Dabo at this point. Evolve or move on.
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Re: It's a bitter pill to swallow, but
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Or Dabo’s third path is ride it all the way to the bottom and milk Clemson for all the money he can get.
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Re: It's a bitter pill to swallow, but
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Or Dabo’s third path is ride it all the way to the bottom and milk Clemson for all the money he can get.
That's the question at hand. When the seats are empty next year, and the donations dry up, how long does he have? Even a casual fan can look at what we lose and know 6 wins would be a stretch next year. We are heading straight down after this season. So, if that happens, does he get 2 more years or will he ride it all the way to 2031? My bet is that 2 years of apathy and reduced donations will bring a change. Time will tell.
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It's like a car crash. Hard to look away.
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:42 PM
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And there are just enough moments to give you hope. Then is crashes and burns all over again.
This is just who we are now. Have to accept it and support the team in spite of it. However, if David doesn't evolve I am going to have to make some major financial adjustments in terms of my support of the team.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this feeling.
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Yeah, i want to think Dabo will make the necessary adjustments
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Oct 18, 2025, 9:56 PM
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In the off season. If not, Clemson is going to be irrelevant in football for a while.
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It's difficult to imagine he won't make major changes
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But the past couple of years have also been difficult to imagine.
Nothing would shock me at this point. Heck, he may even double down more just to appear supportive of his staff and players.
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Re: It's difficult to imagine he won't make major changes
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Your last sentence is my expectation…
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Re: It's difficult to imagine he won't make major changes
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If he doubles down and does nothing this off season, I think that's where I would give up on Dabo and clock out until someone different comes around.
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Re: I am no longer angered or frustrated about it
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When the SMU receiver was breaking free in the first td, that confirmed the acceptance. This is the new norm.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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No wonder!!! He's trying to recruit his mother!!! Isn't that against the rules???
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Weak.
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Anything to contribute to the discussion? What are your thoughts on the state of the program?
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Re: Weak.
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Dabo is now a dinosaur. He mentioned in the post game that it feels like 2010 all over again. And it just might be that he is operating the same way he did in 2010. Recruiting out of the high schools is fine but it takes a good long time to develop players. The competition doesn't wait around. They go after players who are already developed elsewhere. Low hanging fruit. And CDS refuses to pick. Also, Dabo might think getting guys from the portal will hurt the team or family atmosphere. I don't think any of the players he's gotten this year- Heldt, Smith, or Alexander- have hurt the culture at all.
Money? Every other team we play uses the portal. Are we the poor sisters on the block? We don't have money?
Dabo has flubbed on his last two QBs. DJU was horrible. Cade has been better, but not great. It hurts a football team when the most important player is not very good. But that's just the start. Our running backs have gone from Etienne to Shipley to Mafah to Randall. Quite the decline. Not that Adam is a bad player. But he was recruited as a wide out. And Dabo is slow in injecting some speed into the game when he has Davidson and Ezi. at his disposal. The Oline has been a disaster since the National Championship days. It was never the best, but what we have now is terrible. Can't run block for anything. The Dline was supposed to be elite. But it stinks. Can't put any pressure on the QB and isn't great against the run, especially on the edges. Woods and Parker have been huge disappointments. Only Sammy Brown is playing well as a backer. Woodaz is deadaz. The secondary is mediocre. Special teams are mediocre. When was the last time a Tiger returned a punt or kickoff for a score? Punting and kicking are just okay. In other words, the recruiting out of high schools has been subpar. Or, the development of these players sucks. Maybe both. The coaches (Luke, Allen, Riley) all did well in their previous stops, but don't seem to be very effective now. It's as if the entire program has been overcome by a staleness and mediocrity. It started, IMHO, with DJU. And it has continued ever since. But, CDS, who makes the big bucks, is the guy responsible for the glory years of the past. He has to take the heat now. I think Neff and Clements should have some frank discussions with Dabo as to the direction the program is heading. And I do believe coach would do himself and the program a favor by looking at the calendar. It's 2025 coach, not 2010!!!!!!!
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Couldn't agree more. It feels like 2010 because that's exactly what
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Is happening - we are severely behind in terms of modern schemes and player development.
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Re: Weak.
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We also have the most out of date, ineffective offensive system and conservative play calling. I doubt DJ or Cade were going to become first rounders but you can't blame them entirely. There are multiple issues offensively over the last 6 years or so.
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Re: Weak.
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That's one of the best and most complete post that explains the decline that I've read in a long time if ever.
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And dont forget the rampant nepotism!!!!***
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Definitely has handcuffed us
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Some of these hires are borderline negligent.
I have a very hard time believing Tyler Grisham or Mickey Conn were the best we could do at those positions. Just as an example. The list is long, though.
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LOLOOLOLOLOLPLPLPLOOLOL***
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Offer some thoughts mah boi.
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Whether you agree with me or not I would love to have a more fruitful discussion on the state of the program.
That's what forums are all about.
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He's a senile old git...
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who has no ability to formulate a competent argument. He's just virtue signaling in the most pathetic way possible.
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There are a handful of pure pumpers that can formulate a sycophantic thought...
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...that dude ain't one.
Then you have the silent pumps that spend the whole day scouring TNet for posts to TD without ever formulating a coherent counter-argument, like Tigerthingy, Tigergolf, and Jaxco just to name a few.
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You must like proving my point. But you simply can't help yourself, can you?***
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The telltale sign someone doesnt have an argument
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Especially with the results we are seeing now. I’d love to hear why you think Dabo is failing so hard right now?
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Orange Blooded [2487]
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Exactly right
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The other problem is Dabo doesn't seem to realize that he can't manage the Xs and Os during a game. He seems to think he can call plays, etc. So, Idk if anything will be fixed by him.
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All-TigerNet [5977]
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There are times where it seems somebody is interfering...
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Just don't know who is interfering with who...
Perhaps Riley is just not very good. Something is broken either way.
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Re: There are times where it seems somebody is interfering...
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I think loosing is what is going to turn thing's around. Dabo is starting to feel the fire and what comes with a loosing program. So many issues right now with the program as far as wins and losses. I believe Coach is realizing this and will address these issues going forward. This year is over as far as any sort of championship, but lets see how things play out and see if Coach will start addressing the issues. Like Coach Swinney says winning is hard. I'm really frustrated but at the end of the day I believe Coach Swinney will humble him self and make the decision/ changes to get the program back on r more.
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Re: There are times where it seems somebody is interfering...
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I wouldnt hold my breath.
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Wasn't Riley voted top assistant coach in 2022? He comes to Clemson and fans want him out. Luke was the Oline coach for a Natty winner at Georgia recently. Our Oline stinks. Did Matt forget how to coach? Allen had a tremendous defense at Penn State just a year ago. Has he forgotten how to coach over the last 8-9 months? Seems remarkable that all of these well respected coaches come to Clemson and fail. I think the recruiting has dropped. I think the refusal to take advantage of the portal has hurt. And the fact that the monster programs have much more $$$$$$$$ has not helped our cause. I also think CDS has become satisfied and complacent. He doesn't seem to have the same fire he had 6-18 years ago.
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National Champion [7688]
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Re: There are times where it seems somebody is interfering...
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Oct 18, 2025, 10:55 PM
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Like Shaq said, we dont have the dudes.
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I am under the belief it's the supporting cast around our coordinators that are an issue. Assistant coaches, players, etc. Looking at our coaching roster, it's full of people that shouldn't be there. That's a major issue and is probably why our development is a massive issue itself. We don't have the depth we used to either. Heck, we don't have good depth anywhere except Wide Receiver and Tight End. That's a massive issue in itself. Recruiting needs to step up or we need to start hitting the portal. Practice philosophy needs to change too. These guys are so soft it's ridiculous. Getting bullied in the trenches like that is pathetic and isn't the historic Clemson standard at all.
It's going to take a massive overhaul and it'll take a few years to get back to being a consistent 10 win team again.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Unfortunately I have to agree with you.
I don't think Dabo will go hard and heavy into the portal as the fan base are begging him to.
Also I don't think he will make all of the coaching changes that are required.
And why were his sons on the team along with the other coaches sons. Were they Division 1 talents and I just don't recognize their greatness? Did they have multiple offers from Bama, GA, OSU, etc. and we were lucky to land them?
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That's what separates Saban and Dabo, Saban didn't need the best OCs and DCs, they needed Saban as a stepping stone. Dabo needs the best minds at the coordinator positions to make him look good. Dabo has always been a players coach, not a Xs and Os guy
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Dabo is and always has been a cheerleader, a great salesman and he hired great coordinators to develop and push the high caliber recruits he was able to land. Now he thinks he can do it by himself, as he tells us after every loss. The game simply has evolved and he has not. Instead he keeps reminding us how good things WERE and he doesn’t understand that “were” is past tense.
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I respect most everyone in this thread except for dumb dumb row row who’s just a jack@ss.
It truly takes a lot for people to swallow their pride and admit they were wrong.
I was where most in this thread are back in 2022-2023. You could see this coming a mile away but like most of you… I just kept hoping I’d be wrong but unfortunately I was not.
Nobody here likes being right about something like this so near and dear to your heart but the truth is the truth and you have to be honest with yourself at some point.
Everything said in this thread is spot on along with a number of other issues.
Regardless… kudos and props to everyone in this thread that can admit they were wrong… myself included.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Don't know why some on here always blame the lack of portal and nil $ for Clemson's demise. What portal players and money made GT, SMU and Cuse play better than us? or helped Troy compete with us? This is simple math. Venables came here in 2012. After Clemson had 6-6, 10-4 seasons and was used to getting trashed by FSU. Upon his arrival Clemson goes 11-2, 11-2, big wins over Oklahoma and Ohio State in bowl games, and then came the Championships. Brent leaves in 2021 and its been nothing but decline. Dabo is not the game general. He's the motivator, recruiter and CEO. I doubt he's going to remove himself nor will the university remove him with a 60 mil buyout, so lets hope he finds another BV, and soon.
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He has had every opportunity to adapt and he has not.
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Either he is unwilling to make the changes that need to be made, or he is unable to make them. Neither of those is good for Clemson football.
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Re: He has had every opportunity to adapt and he has not.
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Dabo’s greatest strength is also his weakness. That unshakable belief.
It’s great when reality aligns with your goals but as soon as it doesn’t, that belief turns into delusion.
The reason we aren’t improving the last 5 years is that Dabo is literally unable to recognize that the way things used to work no longer apply.
We are literally asking Dabo to change his identity. I don’t see it working.
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Either he is unwilling to make the changes that need to be made, or he is unable to make them. Neither of those is good for Clemson football.
Judge, I think many of the posters on this board owe you an apology. You have called it like it is for years and been attacked for it. I saw the decline building steam based on poor recruiting, a talent and coaching decline, and the family and friends concept that we overcame in the past. I even pointed it out the moment Will Swinney stepped on the field and was told to shut up and get off the board. My point related to how it can affect team morale but I was shouted down. Dabo's way or the highway. It's all come home to roost. Like I said, you put up with a lot of insults from people that have now admitted they were wrong. Always enjoy your viewpoint.
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Re: He has had every opportunity to adapt and he has not.
Oct 19, 2025, 8:19 PM
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Not sure that JK is owed an apology by anyone. While I agree that his assessment of the football program (and its decline) is fairly accurate, I think the issues come from his unwillingness to apply the same logic, criteria, and scrutiny to Brownell and the basketball program. IMO, it’s the obvious disconnect that leads to the dislike of JK as a poster.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 18, 2025, 10:46 PM
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So the two exceptional QBs we had during our amazing run were recruited to Clemson by Dabo's friends and family plan connections. College buddies that funneled Deshaun and Trevor to us. Chad Morris was a paradigm shift in our offense, but he's done ZERO after he left. Venables, Scott and Elliott were the heart of the coaching leadership...they all got promoted and have had less success than Dabo as head coaches.
So, do you think, it might be hard to replace the quality of what Dabo had for those magical years? No other coach in the last 30 years has been able to replace staff and maintain a program's sustained success with the exception of Saban. NOBOD.Y
Dabo made 2 bad Coordinator hires, Allen is suspect, and DJU and Klubnik didn't pan out as franchise QBs. But at least the staff and alumni hires know what the Clemson Standard is/was and can appreciate what made it special and how hard it is to achieve.
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:29 AM
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Day swaps out coordinators pretty often. Freeman too. So it can be done.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:40 AM
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So has ND.
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Oct 18, 2025, 10:48 PM
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Our offensive line sucks
Our offensive coordinator sucks
We will have a new offensive line next year
We will have a new offensive coordinator next year
I suggest we will have at least two maybe three quarterbacks on the roster next year that are not on the current roster.
Dave is a very good head coach and will be at Clemson for a long time
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 18, 2025, 11:09 PM
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Dave??????
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Campus Hero [13742]
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Yup, the reason I haven't liked him all along is because he's basically
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Bobby Bowden. I never thought he'd be successful, but he was and I've eaten crow over that. But I still don't like the way he runs the offense, and I never have. Even when we were winning, we had an incompetent, inconsistent offense. We just had the Jimmies and Joes to outrun everyone and score on big plays, even though the playcalling itself was atrocious. Now that he's hired his friends and family at all levels of the program and only brought in new coordinators as scapegoats for our failings, we have rotted from the inside.
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That is as well put and explained as anything I have read
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Oct 18, 2025, 11:01 PM
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…on the current situation and on this board or anywhere.
The college football talking heads that absolutely despise Swinney will NEVER say out loud what this post explains so succinctly, because they want Swinney and Clemson to wallow into mediocrity.
I think the reality of this post is so poignant, it is not only hard to read, but harder to accept.
It was an incredible ride. We will not see the likes of it again.
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Re: That is as well put and explained as anything I have read
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:29 AM
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True but ####, we got a ride that very few CFB fans ever get to experience.
I do appreciate Dabo for that. But as you said, nothing lasts for ever
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As much as i want to agree, your timing is off. He won the ACC in 2011 with Kevin Steele, who proved to be a liabilty. He did hire Brent, which was a program changing hire.
He also promoted Tony and Jeff to Co-OC after a great Chad Morris hire. That took a lot of guts and it worked out well.
He's definitely had his misses, but he's also had a lot of home runs. People complain about hiring within, but his in house hires have won a lot more championships than his Riley and Morris type of hires.
His game management has also won us a lot of gsmes that a Mario Cristobal would choke away. I'm not happy with the product on the field, but the narrative that Dabo has been carried by assistants is easily proved wrong.
I have been very vocal about the team and their problems, but if anyone can fix it, it's Dabo.
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:39 PM
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I used to think he could fix it but I'm not so sure anymore. He's slow to react and make decisions that are vital.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 19, 2025, 1:20 AM
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Very well said, wholeheartedly agree.
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:28 AM
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The main reason DABO is no longer successful is now the head coach at OKLAHOMA! He put on another masterpiece performance yesterday in Columbia. Some might forget how crucial Venables was to our recruiting too.
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Venables may be the best coach in Clemson history
Oct 19, 2025, 9:42 PM
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Yes, over Danny and Dabo.
Hard to deny his consistency and impact.
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National Champion [7864]
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Re: Venables may be the best coach in Clemson history
Oct 19, 2025, 10:01 PM
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Calling it now - USuk will put the cherry on top of a wondermess football season .. new excuses or the same ol’ ones we’ve heard before .. time will tell ..
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:31 AM
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There is some revisionist history when itcomes to the two coordinators we hired most recently. They were both considered home run hires at the time. Both coming off deep playoff runs weeks earlier with their side of the ball leading the way. They have not been good but the expectation is they were going to be great. Anyone who says “only the pumpers were happy” when those two were hired is dishonest or delusional.
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:42 AM
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This post is spot on we all knew if Brent Venables ever left and when Chad Morris left that the program was going to decline and it did just that
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National Champion [7947]
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Very good post. I’m trusting Dabo to see the error of his ways and make changes. I feel he needs to bring back Chad Morris on offense if he will come. I like Tom Allen but font like his I aggressive scheme. CJ did not have us a RB ready. The O line can do a little pass blocking but not much run blocking. There is no doubt because of the limit on is now in high school recruiting we will have to reach out to the portal each year to build a successful roster. I do believe with Cade we may have beaten SMU. Fl State seems to have packed it in again. If Cade is back we can beat Duke Fl State Furman and SC is 50/50. We can’t beat Louisville at their place on a Friday night. We could get 6 wins if the team stays together. That is my best hope for this season.
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We have the players to beat anyone on any given day
Oct 19, 2025, 9:41 AM
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However, we don't have the coaches, schemes, or adjustments to get it done.
This is going to take a major overhaul starting with strength and conditioning, use of the portal, and the very best position coaches that money can buy.
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Oct 19, 2025, 1:08 PM
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However, we don't have the coaches, schemes, or adjustments to get it done.
This is going to take a major overhaul starting with strength and conditioning, use of the portal, and the very best position coaches that money can buy.
If I'm not mistaken, the coaching staff is the third highest paid in the country. It helps to have great coaches, but you need to find them before they become the hottest commodity in the country. Since the back half of Dabo's contract approaches 12 million per year, they will need to be cutting their spend and not increasing it. If you haven't, heard both donations and ticket sales will be trending down after this season.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:57 AM
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Well stated. Not much I can add except follow the NFL. Who in the last 4 or 5 years have gone to the NFL and flourished. Especially our skill players. RB, dbs, and wrs. ??
We've had some highly recruited players but none seem to be making any noise in the NFL. It's the Jimmy and Joe's. For whatever reason, the coaches we had could not only spot the diamonds, they were able to develop those diamonds.
It really is that the studs we bring in seem to flash as freshman but then regress.
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Ruke has done fairly well. Same with Terrell and Nate Wiggins
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Oct 19, 2025, 10:00 AM
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But you are absolutely correct. Noticeably huge drop off.
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Orange Blooded [2535]
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 19, 2025, 9:42 AM
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What? I was really looking forward to reading your retort. What a let-down.
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Just kidding, dude. We wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.
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You can’t cobble together a team by moving players out of position. Hannifan is at best a good hitter and a serviceable special teams player. He is not a safety. Same with Woodaz. Slow, poor tackler. Randall? Not a running back. Allen needs his players. It’s going to take three years for him to make a difference if he can. Riley is calling plays his guys can run. Luke’s OLine is a disappointment. Not sure what the issue is there. They have regressed. Was impressed by Vizzina. Despite some early jitters, he settled down, threw the ball well. He has a quicker release than CK and throws a flatter ball. Dabo won’t, but they should bench CK and Randall and go all in on CK and Davidson. Fully expect Westco, Moore to transfer.
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Fair assessments all the way around
Oct 19, 2025, 11:35 AM
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Nm
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Great post but I disagree on one key point. If we would get off our high horse about NIL and evenly compete for certain recruits money wise things would be different. If we matched the money most schools were matching then those special traits about Dabo would be the thing that seals the deal for us. Unfortunately, we have tried to be the single team almost completely going against that system. The new system sucks but if you want to have success you have to come with the money first and the other things will get you over the top second.
And our admin needs to do a much better job raising NIL from fans and getting corporate partnerships for it. We have dropped the ball and I believe Dabo kind of led the way in that unfortunately. And of course he was given the benefit of the doubt by the admin.
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No doubt. Any change at this point would help.
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Keep the current coaching staff but go all in with the portal and roster management. Go heavy on high school recruiting and make major changes with assistant coaches.
We need radical change. Somewhere. But must be radical.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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I, very reluctantly, have to think that you are probably correct. I have gotten to the point that I am afraid that Dabo has become a member of the "lucky Quarterback or even more to the point lucky coach" club, where you have a quarterback, and in Dabo's case two< that had enough talent around them to bing national championships. Other members include, Mack Brown, Gene Chizik, Jimbo Fisher, Ed Orgeron and maybe one or two I can't think of. Think about it.
I hate saying all of this because Dabo may be one of the most genuine, decent, and honorable men in college sports. I hope I am totally wrong, as I think everything Dabo has done has been for the betterment of Tiger football and the betterment of the young men he has coached. I also think that education and the way we turn out fine young men in more important than winning and losing, although that seems to have gone by the wayside for many on here. That's OK, this is a football board and I understand.
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He is a much better program builder than those names you mentioned
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I see him as much more of a Bobby Bowden type. Mommas love him, man of faith, great storyteller, great salesman, and just good enough of a coach that if he has the best talent in the country will steer the ship the promise lane.
However, if he doesn't have the talent, things quickly fall back to earth and many deficiencies are exposed.
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Wow that comment is asinine
Oct 19, 2025, 11:26 PM
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You’re saying Dabo won TWO National Championships by LUCK????
Nobody wins a National Championship by luck.
Dabo built a team from nothing into a powerhouse that played in 4 National Championship games in 4 years … won 2 of them and might have won another if our cornerback had not gotten injured in the game.
Dabo has done a fantastic job while at Clemson. Sports seasons over time have their ebbs and flows. We’ ve been down for a few years, but I believe Dabo will bring us back.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 19, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Disagree with 100%. NIL and transfer portal is the single biggest reason for our downfall.
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Confused as to how that doesn't align with my post?
Oct 19, 2025, 12:50 PM
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Quite literally what I said word for word.
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No it's not. Our refusal to adapt to the new rules is the issue which is 100% on Dabo.
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Dabo has always come off as the "aw shucks" bumbling doofus type but got away with it due to coaches around him producing on field results. As soon as those coaches left and he had to carry more of the load he's more loser than winner. Look at someone like Saban, churned through assistants almost yearly but always produced. He had the shoulders to carry the load. Where has Dabo shown he can do the same?
Unless Dabo can snag lightning in a bottle with home run assistant hires he's middling at best. He's probably better than his record this year but not by much. What makes things worse is the way he spouts off nonsense in his press conferences. He's sarcastic and sometimes condescending which is just a terrible look. Not the kind of qualities you expect from a solid, confident leader, and a crappy way to act when addressing your fanbase.
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Re: Even Trevor says Dabo Isn't an Xs and Os coach.
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Oct 19, 2025, 1:14 PM
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We've all known it, but interesting to hear the player's perspective.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 2:09 PM
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We miss Elliott and Venables. Combined 12-2.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 3:27 PM
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What a sad life you must have if your idea of not being successful is 7 games of 1 season.
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All-TigerNet [5977]
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Swing and a miss mah boi.
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Oct 19, 2025, 3:30 PM
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We have lost 5 consecutive P4 games at home.
FIVE. At home.
Has nothing to do with playing the first 7 games of this season.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 19, 2025, 6:46 PM
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The one potentially true statement in that diatribe: we may need better coordinators and/or position coaches. Additionally, I think the coordinators need to be able to choose the position coaches. Dabo has built the culture, which is great, and he is a super manager. But I wonder if he doesn't need to give more responsibility to the coordinators and let them succeed or fail on their own.
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All-TigerNet [5977]
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Haha this is far from a diatribe. Heck, it's not even scathing.
Oct 19, 2025, 6:52 PM
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Just a presentation of the facts which we are all painfully aware of at this point.
Regardless, nothing will change my support of the team. Just have to fully accept who Dabo is in terms of strengths and weaknesses, both of which have been on full display the past 15 years.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 6:56 PM
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I could not have put it better. It is what it is. We will likely not compete for ACC championship or CFP any more, but hopefully in future can at least do 8-4 and best our traditional rivals 2 out of 5 years
It is what it is. We have to live thru our bad contact extension.... Can't waste millions.
That 3rd and 1 before half and horrible coaching decisions tell you all you need. Not the best coaches on our sidelines
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I'm a little bit more optimistic, but not by much
Oct 19, 2025, 6:59 PM
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I do think this season can ultimately be something to grow from, but again, it's all up to Dabo since we are tied to him due to his current contract.
This has essentially turned into a hostage situation for the next 3-4 years at least lol. Hopefully Dabo is a gracious captor and takes us out for sunlight every now and then lol.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:24 PM
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Greg Olson the other day said we have to fix college football by getting rid of the portal if you are going to have NIL. You cannot have both in their current form.
My question to all of the fan base is if NIL stays put in its current form, are we/y’all prepared to post up a $25M payroll each year.
Is there enough patience in the investment where there is a binary outcome of win or lose like football.
It’s one thing to have high expectations, but it’s going to take patience and continuous investment to keep up with the Jones’ like OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, etc.
You better be ready ti buckle up if you are ready to fire someone who got us to the mountain top in the middle of the biggest shakeup that this sport has ever seen.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 19, 2025, 7:24 PM
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Greg Olson the other day said we have to fix college football by getting rid of the portal if you are going to have NIL. You cannot have both in their current form.
My question to all of the fan base is if NIL stays put in its current form, are we/y’all prepared to post up a $25M payroll each year.
Is there enough patience in the investment where there is a binary outcome of win or lose like football.
It’s one thing to have high expectations, but it’s going to take patience and continuous investment to keep up with the Jones’ like OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, etc.
You better be ready ti buckle up if you are ready to fire someone who got us to the mountain top in the middle of the biggest shakeup that this sport has ever seen.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
Oct 20, 2025, 6:27 AM
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It will be interesting to see if these large coaching contractual buyouts continue in the face of increasing NIL budgets.
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Legend [6980]
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I hope we win rest of games and go to
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:26 PM
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Gator Bowl I enjoy going to Jacksonville!
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All-TigerNet [5977]
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I like your optimism!
Oct 19, 2025, 7:31 PM
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It is highly unlikely but anything is possible. We certainly have the roster to get it done.
So many things appear broken right now. We are a poorly coached team and there is no denying it.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:52 PM
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Dabo is way past his "never again" moment. Maybe too prideful to admit it.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:11 PM
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What is your response to posters and fans that have been saying this for several years? Were they right before you were and ahead of the curve? Or did you know this 3 or 4 years ago but are just now admitting it and let your fanaticism cloud your judgment for a few years? Thanks
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All-TigerNet [5977]
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I think we all knew during the 2021 season
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:16 PM
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That the days of blowing people off the field may be in the rearview.
Then 2022 gave a LITTLE bit of hope with conference championship. Tennessee game left many with more questions then answers.
Then 2023 happened. However, we ended up on a good streak which gave many false hope.
But yes, at this point there is ample evidence of a decline and many alarming trends. I was never in full blown denial, but this season has moved me to acceptance.
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Re: The reason Dabo is no longer successful
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Oct 19, 2025, 11:28 PM
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I agree 100 percent
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