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Associate AD [831]
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The cruelty of Republican policies...
May 19, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Forced birth by a woman pregnant with a fetus incapable of living outside of the womb longer than 99 minutes.
Queue up the moronic defenses and non-sequiturs. How about trying to defend what your policies require? (I get it - beer cans and men in women's swimsuits are more important to you.)
https://wapo.st/3BLoRzK The short life of Baby Milo Milo Evan Dorbert, whose mother’s pregnancy tested the interpretation of Florida’s new abortion law, was born with a fatal abnormality. He lived 99 minutes.
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Re: The cruelty of Republican policies...
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May 19, 2023, 12:06 PM
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Orange Blooded [2058]
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Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
May 19, 2023, 12:07 PM
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anything but rare?
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
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May 19, 2023, 12:12 PM
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Valley Protector [1471]
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
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May 19, 2023, 12:40 PM
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I was referring to health-related abortions, both for the mother and fetus. Rape and incest are even way lsss. The vast majority are due to just “bad timing.” I’ve posted the stats before and they’re easily available.
Please do not confuse him with facts.
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
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May 19, 2023, 12:45 PM
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Most Americans support abortion rights before viability. 6-week abortion bans, when viability occurs after 20 weeks, are onerous and ban abortion before many women even know they are pregnant.
But don't be confused by facts.
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
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May 19, 2023, 1:09 PM
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
May 19, 2023, 1:12 PM
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I'm not at all confused about it.
Any more than I am confused by people who want to ban all abortions and pretend that late-term abortions exemplify what abortion is about.
Obviously, this family would have been no better off under a 6-week ban.
To people with your views, this is the kind of tragedy that is simply the cost of doing business when restricting reproductive rights.
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
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May 19, 2023, 1:14 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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Valley Protector [1471]
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
May 19, 2023, 11:02 PM
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Most Americans support abortion rights before viability. 6-week abortion bans, when viability occurs after 20 weeks, are onerous and ban abortion before many women even know they are pregnant.
But don't be confused by facts.
and you support the killing of babies, do not be confused by facts.
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Orange Blooded [2058]
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Re: Where are the stats that say late-term abortions are
May 19, 2023, 3:46 PM
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> Now do all the terminations due to inconvenience and especially the late-term ones.
He literally said especially late-term ones, and that's specifically what I asked.
Sure you aren't confused?
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Orange Blooded [2058]
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Are you serious?
May 19, 2023, 3:49 PM
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When the death rate in the vaccinated cohort is significantly less than the unvaccinated, it is a no-brainer.
Deaths from the vaccine are extremely rare, death from covid is not. When the vaccine also greatly reduces your chances of dying from covid then obviously it is worthwhile.
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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Both partial birth abortions & mass shootings = rare events
May 19, 2023, 8:47 PM
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Explain why those horrific events such as partial birth abortions … simply because that procedure is a small minority of the overall abortions … should be acceptable in a civilized society?
By that standard, mass shootings … because the victim count of such events represent a tiny minority of all murders … should be acceptable in civilized society.
(*). The ‘don’t worry about partial birth abortions’ argument by the ‘there should be no limits on a woman’s right to choose’ crowd is morally bankrupt.
Period.
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Orange Immortal [65634]
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Profoundly sad and tragic. No easy answers to the problem
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May 19, 2023, 12:19 PM
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of what to do about abortion, certainly none that effectively address all possible scenarios or satisfy everybody. No matter how it is ultimately handled, some people will be genuinely hurt and sad.
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Campus Hero [13514]
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Here is why laws created by religious zealots have no
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May 19, 2023, 1:22 PM
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place in the doctor patient relationship. Read what this pediatric neurosurgeon says about R v W. This is also the guy that saved my oldest sons life a decade ago. The fact that all these late term drum beaters seem to miss is that late term, these children are wanted. They have names picked out, cribs and nurseries set up and the last place lawyers need to be is in the middle of a family and a doctor having to make the hardest decision of their lives if something is wrong.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/06/1109354828/pediatric-neurosurgeon-jay-wellons-all-that-moves-us
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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Religious zealots are not why abortion laws were needed
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May 19, 2023, 9:06 PM
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Your assertion that all late term fetuses are wanted by the pregnant mother is flat out false.
Why did you write that?
As for the 13 week checkup and the possibility that a fetus may be abnormal and relegated to a horrible life if borne alive, then the pro-abortion rights crowd has a hill to stand on.
(*). Push for legislation that provides for a a specific set of exceptions to the 12 week laws; with those exceptions being limited to truly ‘ruined if borne alive’ type fetal abnormalities.
(*). The extensive abuse by pregnant women who desire to abort a healthy fetus strictly out of ‘life style convenience’ or because the expectant mother belatedly decided that she doesn’t like the biological father … therefore she should be free to have the fetus murdered … is why these 12 week laws are needed.
(*). Make the medical case, with exception circumstances being specifically and unambiguously defined, and you’ve got something.
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Campus Hero [13514]
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That’s the dumbest chit I’ve ever read.
May 20, 2023, 1:34 AM
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Why would anyone carry a child late into pregnancy without the intention of having it. You’re a kid that has no idea what he’s talking about. Pick another thread Danny, this one’s not a good one for you.
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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Re: That’s the dumbest chit I’ve ever read.
May 20, 2023, 9:02 AM
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It happens, even if you (pretend) to say that it doesn’t.
As typical for you, when backed in a corner you resort to flicking boogers.
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Campus Hero [13514]
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I see I hit the mark dead on.
May 20, 2023, 9:46 AM
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Pick another thread, Fred.
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Associate AD [831]
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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Re: Religious zealots are not why abortion laws were needed
May 20, 2023, 9:13 AM
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Quoting from your link:
“ Why do people have abortions later in pregnancy?
Non-Medical Reasons: Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 2). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. This is unsurprising, given abortions can be cost-prohibitive for many; in a study from 2011-2012, the median cost of a surgical abortion at 10 weeks was $495, jumping to $1,350 at 20 weeks (range $750-$5,000) excluding the cost of travel and lost wages. Yet the Federal Reserve Board found 40% of U.S. adults do not have enough in savings to pay for a $400 emergency expense, meaning many individuals may need to delay having an abortion until they can raise the necessary funds.”
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This ‘justification’ to have a late term abortion is simply one of convenience. Not a medical reason.
Sorry dude(s), murder is not justified by a pending mother because she belatedly learned that she was pregnant, and decides that an abortion of the child would be preferable than enduring giving birth. Being expensive to have a late term abortion is a non sequitur. She can have the baby and give it up for adoption.
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Maybe it’s time to refine your critical reading skills.
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Associate AD [831]
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"selectively" quoting...
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May 20, 2023, 9:20 AM
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Not quoting the medical reasons and not quoting where it is pointed out that most states do not allow late-term abortions for non-medical reasons.
But tell me about reading comprehension.
The only people who say it is for "convenience" are the people who can never get pregnant.
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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Re: "selectively" quoting...
May 20, 2023, 11:02 AM
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What
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Say
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It stated medical reasons + reasons of convenience.
The analogy is:
Some women steal their food and some women pay for their food. In your world, both factors are the same because people want food.
Substitute ‘steal for their food’ with ‘have abortions for reasons of convenience’ … also substitute ‘pay for their food’ with ‘have abortions for medical reasons.’
If you insist that I draw cartoons to help you to understand this, then you will be awarded with the ‘I win the argument participation trophy’ and preserve the intellectual honor of OST and yourself.
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Campus Hero [13514]
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More redactions there than the Mueller Report.
May 20, 2023, 9:50 AM
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Seriously, man, you have no reference to frame a decent point, you have no personal experience to draw from. Your goal is malevolence, which had no place here.
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Do you feel bad for the thousands of kids being trafficked across the border?***
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May 19, 2023, 1:45 PM
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Campus Hero [13514]
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You feel bad about not being able to stay on point?
May 19, 2023, 3:00 PM
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I do. Quit mucking up the thread.
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Associate AD [831]
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If that is important to you...
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May 19, 2023, 3:00 PM
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Why don't you start a thread on that subject rather than trying to hijack my subject?
Obviously, this is what you do to every thread. I assume it is a mental illness. I'm happy to engage on that subject on a separate thread. Maybe you can include family separation at the border in the same thread?
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Paw Master [17252]
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Your thread’s subject was about the cruelty of republican policy
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May 19, 2023, 4:41 PM
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You tried to “prove” your assertion by picking out a 1 in a million reality; and I disproved it by pointing out a 1 in a minute reality.
Either change your OP’s title, or ####.
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: Your thread’s subject was about the cruelty of republican policy
May 20, 2023, 7:53 AM
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You tried to “prove” your assertion by picking out a 1 in a million reality; and I disproved it by pointing out a 1 in a minute reality.
Either change your OP’s title, or ####.
This is all you ever do - change the subject - because you have no salient points to express.
Start your own posts if there is anything you care about rather than trolling those posts which you disagree.
Because you made no point on the topic, I can only presume that you are happy that the woman carried the child to term. That's pretty sick, keyboard warrior.
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If you want to argue against it, argue against it.
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May 19, 2023, 4:48 PM
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You have plenty to arguments to make, as do those who disagree with you. This onesy twosy rare-exception-should-set-policy type argument though just isn’t logical. It would be like arguing against vaccinations because a small subset of the population dies from them.
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Paw Warrior [4688]
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Re: If you want to argue against it, argue against it.
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May 19, 2023, 11:01 PM
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Yah, what he said. Pronto
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Re: The cruelty of Republican policies...
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May 19, 2023, 6:50 PM
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where does it say in hindsight they would rather have had their baby sucked out by a vacuum and put into a blender (or whatever they do)?
I did not listen to the audio clips - maybe it's there or I missed it scanning.
Horrible situation indeed, but couldn't they have simply driven across the state boundary immediately when they found out?
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Re: The cruelty of Republican policies...
May 20, 2023, 9:22 AM
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"sucked out by a vacuum and put into a blender" suggests that you really don't have the capacity to understand the subject.
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Re: The cruelty of Republican policies...
May 19, 2023, 8:07 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11563]
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FL abortion law: How does your example proves ‘moronic law’
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May 19, 2023, 8:38 PM
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Sadly, politically ideological doctors have become dubious sources of definitive medical outcome predictions.
It is tragic that the child had a short life due to a fatal abnormality.
Know what else is tragic? Aborting a child that might have a fatal abnormality … but May in fact not have such an abnormality.
Either way, the mother and father of the abnormal child are tragic figures.
(*). I don’t (and won’t) subscribe to WAPO. Therefore, I am dependent upon whether your (or other subscribers’ interpretations) of the article are ‘fair and balanced’ -or- tilted to create the maximum political effect.
So then, why is FL’s new abortion law moronic? Kindly use the example that you had posted to support your thesis.
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Paw Warrior [4688]
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I did not read the article
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May 19, 2023, 8:49 PM
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But I like how this person and their avatar name may intelligently proceed this discussion
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: FL abortion law: How does your example proves ‘moronic law’
May 20, 2023, 9:16 AM
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You too … resorting to flicking boogers after your argument falls apart.
I’d say ‘try harder,’ but your argument is bankrupt.
Time to fade away and launch another Democrat party talking point post.
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