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YOUR BALANCE
If a school like Baylor
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If a school like Baylor


Feb 23, 2016, 9:36 PM

who has been a terrible football school for nearly it's entire history can suddenly become a football power why does it make it impossible for Clemson to become the same in basketball?

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Re: If a school like Baylor


Feb 23, 2016, 9:39 PM

Lack of commitment to do it and lack of understanding what it would take.

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Re: If a school like Baylor


Feb 23, 2016, 9:39 PM

I feel like this is where somebody says "because we are in the ACC." Like Sakerlina has used for years, "because we are in the sec in football."

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I am going to take a stab at this one


Feb 23, 2016, 9:41 PM

Because RG, III doesn't have any eligibility left and is now a paid professional ??

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Wait I think you're on to something.


Feb 23, 2016, 9:42 PM

Baylor just built a new football stadium!

We need a new football stadium!

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There's something in these hills.


Re: If a school like Baylor


Feb 23, 2016, 9:43 PM

Baylor also has a pretty suspicious head coach running the show.

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People care about football. Basketball...


Feb 23, 2016, 9:43 PM

not as much.



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: People care about football. Basketball...


Feb 23, 2016, 9:57 PM

I care enough to want to have a good program.. Not to demand a national championship but at least make the tourney and win a game or two in it every other year

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I agree. I just think it's easier for


Feb 23, 2016, 10:36 PM

a school/fan base to get behind football, unless football is not a realistic option.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Kinda like USuCk...football not a realistic option.


Feb 23, 2016, 10:42 PM

So they are now a wimmenz basketball school.

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How's Francis Marion's team?***


Feb 23, 2016, 11:39 PM [ in reply to I agree. I just think it's easier for ]



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his coots lost to El Cid in football


Feb 24, 2016, 1:01 AM

but are playing pretty well in the roundball

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+1 for having a meter with pi on it...


Feb 23, 2016, 10:02 PM [ in reply to People care about football. Basketball... ]

Makes the care-o-meter that much more special.

~JKB

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Not a lot of good bball players in SC


Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 AM

And I've heard Texas has some decent football talent. Frankly it's a wonder that Baylor was so bad for so long.

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Re: Not a lot of good bball players in SC


Feb 23, 2016, 10:35 PM

Fair point although we aren't exactly far away from NC which has some of best talent. I understand we would have to recruit against UNC, Duke, NC State and even up to UVA but Baylor had to recruit against UT Austin, T&M, etc.. And from what I've heard Waco is quite the trashy sh!thole, but I could be wrong about that. Perhaps my point should be: why not Clemson?

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It's not impossible in basketball.


Feb 23, 2016, 10:39 PM

It seems that we are afraid to try at Clemson. It's sad, really.

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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


so how did OP have the success he did?***


Feb 23, 2016, 10:47 PM



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Define "success"?


Feb 23, 2016, 11:31 PM

The man's teams never won an NCAA tournament game! OP's teams were exposed without exception when they faced top notch competition at tourney time.

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are you kidding me?


Feb 23, 2016, 11:41 PM

over his last three years, Clemson won more ACC games than any school not named Duke or UNC

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And still never won an NCAA tourney game.***


Feb 24, 2016, 12:42 AM



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i don't get this argument AT ALL


Feb 24, 2016, 12:45 AM

0'fer in NCAAT > not ever getting to NCAAT



every day

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good recruiting early on and smoke and mirrors***


Feb 23, 2016, 11:40 PM [ in reply to so how did OP have the success he did?*** ]



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you don't smoke and mirror your way to that many wins


Feb 23, 2016, 11:44 PM

I don't care who was in the ACC...

having more wins than any school besides the big 2 over a three year stretch is impressive

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We had just remodeled Littlejohn and he had a couple of solid recruiting classes.


Feb 23, 2016, 11:45 PM [ in reply to so how did OP have the success he did?*** ]

That was Clemson showing flashes of committing to basketball.

I do not think OP would have sustained that success, but I don't think we would have done worse than NIT if he had stayed either.

My beef with Clemson isn't that we never support basketball. We do support it here and there. But we don't do it consistently. We never have. If we will, we can be a really good basketball program.

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what are you talking about?


Feb 24, 2016, 12:02 AM

OP goes to the dance a 4th year if a stays, as BB did with his guys

There is no reason to think he would not have continued to have success. None. Any reason is just a flat out guess.

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Purnell had a significant drop in recruiting


Feb 24, 2016, 12:05 AM

toward the end. How quickly some forget.

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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


based on what?


Feb 24, 2016, 12:12 AM

I don't get it...

Purnell had the kid from Georgia locked up. How often do you know a year out who you are getting, especially at a place like Clemson?

What recruiting class has BB had that has been better than what is "perceived" that OP was bringing in before he left?


and let me be clear.... I've never been a "fire BB" guy. I like him.

But there is seriously something wrong when you have the topside of a resume that we have this year... and with 2 conference games left, you cannot even play your way in (outside of winning ACCT)

likely 10 ACC wins, 5 top 50 wins... and we can't even play ourselves in

something is wrong

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