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Deceptive narrative re SA that blacks only own 4% of the land - blame whitey
May 16, 2025, 9:25 AM
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Race baiter Anderson Cooper and his handlers have been speciously claimed that black S.Africans only own 4% of the country’s land; the implication here is that black S.Africans are still dramatically oppressed; thus U.N. turn implies that white Afrikaners are to blame; this implies justification for the violence and crimes which black S.Africans are committing against Afrikaners.
Did you follow that?
Turns out 4% figure is wrong, as South Africa’s Institute of Race Relations (IRR) pointed out earlier this year:
The misrepresentation of data around land ownership is distorting how the public understands the issue, and how it is debated.
This is most clearly seen in the frequent claim – without proper contextualisation – that 72% of the country’s farmland is owned by “white” people as opposed to only 4% owned by “black” people.
The 72%-4% split is drawn from data in the official 2017 land audit report … . It refers only to freehold land held by individuals and registered at the deeds office. The report shows that coloured [i.e. mixed-race] people own 15% of such land, Indian people 5%, “others” 3%, and co-ownership schemes, 1%. But land held on these terms accounts for only about a third of the land in the country (while this is often described as farmland, it is better understood as “rural” land, as much of it is not in use for agriculture).
Landholding across South Africa – urban and rural – is held in the following manner: individuals, 30.4%; trusts, 24%; the state, 23%; companies, 19%; community-based organisations, 2.9%; and co-ownership schemes, 0.7%. For the overwhelming majority of South Africa’s land, it is not possible to assign a “racial” identity.
Says [Terence Corrigan, Projects and Publications Manager at the IRR]: “It is revealing – and damaging – that the narrative constructed around the 72%-4% split conveys the message that ‘nothing has changed.’ It erases the modest land reform successes that have been achieved, since this tends to happen through community rather than individual schemes. It also ignores recognising that land to which black people have historically had access – the erstwhile homelands – has been state property and remains so three decades after the transition.”
In 2018, a separate IRR publication noted that even according to the controversial 2017 land audit, black South Africans own the majority (56%) of land in urban areas.
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Re: Deceptive narrative re SA that blacks only own 4% of the land - blame whitey
May 16, 2025, 9:31 AM
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White people own 72% of the farm/agricultural land. Makes sense though. It was probably worse obviously.
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Re: Deceptive narrative re SA that blacks only own 4% of the land - blame whitey
May 16, 2025, 9:44 AM
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Urban land, on a per acre basis, has much higher inherent value than agricultural land.
Blacks own ~ 58% of urban land. It’s not the fault of the non-blacks if they squander the inherent value of urban land by making poor decisions about how to optimize the value of that land.
BTW, that agricultural land that Afrikaners own was not always agricultural land. It had to be cleared, drainage systems and ponds (for watering purposes) and roads (for use in moving agricultural equipment into and out of the areas where crops are grown) had to be established.
Hard work.
Yet, there remains much undeveloped land in rural S.Africa that the black S.African government owns. This land could be made available for wannabe black farmers. Where are the blacks that want to be farmers? They are getting it by forcing out the Afrikaners who developed the land in the first place.
It’s no wonder that S.Africa is descending into the abyss. S.Africa better find some big hit new gold deposits. Even though S.Africa has numerous other valuable minerals, none are as powerful at driving their economy than gold.
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What are your thoughts on the narrative that there's a mass genocide of
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May 16, 2025, 9:57 AM
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white farmers occurring in South Africa? How strange, right? It's almost like people like Elon Musk are creating and propagating this phantom racism. Trump was asked several days ago why these Afrikaners were worthy of an exception to the Refugee Program suspension, and he said "white farmers are being brutally killed and the land is being confiscated in South Africa".
Ignoring the fact that actual genocide of black people occurs daily across Africa, the statistics in South Africa don't bear out anything resembling a white genocide.
225 people were killed on South African farms over a four-year period ending in 2024. Of those deaths, 101 were Black current or former workers living on farms, and 53 were farmers, who are usually white.
Rural farms are frequent targets of criminals, who are generally motivated to steal and pillage, and not necessarily or primarily driven by racism. Did you see Grok go into delirium mode a few days ago when Leon got upset that its narrative was opposite of the words coming out of his mouth? It started spitting out random South African crime statistic answers to completely unrelated queries, because Leon tried to put his finger on the scale. He broke his own AI.
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Re: What are your thoughts on the narrative that there's a mass genocide of
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May 16, 2025, 11:03 AM
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White people have been and are being brutally murdered in SA and their land is indeed being confiscated by the govt at an increasing rate. Nobody can pretend neither of these things aren't happening and maintain even a hint of credibility. Is it genocide? Probably not, at least not yet, but we all know how it ended for farmers in Zimbabwe so it's not going out on a limb to assert in a few years there won't be any white farmers in SA, whether they are murdered or their land is stolen and they're forced to flee. Hard to understand why Democrat racists have such a hard on to force these folks to be murdered. No wait, it isn't hard to understand at all.
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"Democrat racists".
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May 16, 2025, 11:12 AM
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There are far more black people being murdered on the African continent than white. In South Africa in particular, white people make up 8% of the population, but white people only account for 2% of murder victims in the country.
So...where's the disconnect here? Why are you cherrypicking murder victims to create a persecution narrative? I think we both know why. That said...feel free to provide whatever statistical sources you're using for your assertions. Your posts on this topic are quite tinged with...let's call it a "racial preference".
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It's the same thing as the "racist US police force". Every year, more white
May 16, 2025, 12:16 PM
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people are killed in police-related shootings than black people. But every time there is a police-related killing involving a black victim that is not 100% crystal clear to the casual observer that it had to happen, there are huge cries of dismantling the "racist" police forces.
Anywho, I don't pretend to know what's going on in SA, but it would be interesting to know the stories of the 59 people who took Trump up on the refugee program. Perhaps it's not a racially motivated thing but they still consider it dangerous to own a farm in SA? Perhaps they already lost their farms and are looking to move on? I wonder if any of them have any experience outside of SA, or specifically in the US?
I found one NYT article with some comments from a recent refugee. He moved to Albama and has a brother that lives there. He claims that he had been trying to get out for a decade and did not feel safe. That's just one guy, though. And not feeling safe (harassment, maybe? rhetoric, maybe?) Doesn't mean there's a genocide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/15/us/politics/trump-afrikaners-alabama.html#:~:text=the%20'Death%20Realm'-,An%20Afrikaner%20Farming%20Family%20Trades%20South%20Africa%20for%20Alabama,an%20expedited%20path%20to%20citizenship.&text=Reporting%20from%20Birmingham%2C%20Ala.
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Cheap stunt comment to enable terrible treatment of Afrikaners
May 16, 2025, 1:56 PM
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Using a historically worse case of government sanctioned crimes against an ethnic minority, such as using the Holocaust (which resulted in millions of murdered ethnic minorities) to a smaller scale instance of minority abuse, is a BS way of justifying the S.Arican govt’s abuse of S.Africa’s ethnic majority (the Afrikaners).
There are numerous other factors which America should consider when weighing the merits of an immigration asylum.
Cultural compatibility. Is the asylum seeking group likely to be assimilated fully into American culture? Such things as com8ng from a societal subset that is accustomed to law and order behavior, as opposed to theft and violence, should be a factor. The desirable immigrant group should have the attitude and history of being self-sufficient; not wards of the state that are used to getting handouts as the major aspect of their subsistence. English speakers or those groups which have shown a history of vigorously applying themselves to learn English will better assimilate into productive American society than those groups which cling to tribalistic behaviors I.e., recreating the social environment of their native land.
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Hooboy.
May 16, 2025, 2:57 PM
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You're laying it all out in that last paragraph. I'm not 100% sure you're one of the millions of anonymous posters that have turned Twitter, er, X, into the unfettered cesspool of racism it's become in the past few years.
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Clemson Conqueror [11570]
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Cheap stunt to call everything that you dont like as racism
May 16, 2025, 8:02 PM
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So goes it with intellectually bankrupt leftists.
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Blah, blah, blah; my lord Donny can do no wrong***
May 16, 2025, 10:46 AM
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Re: Deceptive narrative re SA that blacks only own 4% of the land - blame whitey
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May 16, 2025, 2:00 PM
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Contrails, an abbreviated terminology derived from the compound lexicality of "condensation trails," are enigmatic atmospheric appendages that manifest themselves with an almost mystical elegance in the upper tropospheric domain. These aerial anomalies, often observed trailing behind jet-propelled aeronautical machinery, represent a confluence of thermodynamic, meteorological, and high-altitudinal variables whose exact interplay remains a subject of both scientific conjecture and public fascination.
The genesis of contrails is purportedly linked to the expulsion of superheated gaseous emissions from aircraft engines, wherein the admixture of exhaust particulates and ambient atmospheric constituents creates an ephemeral yet visually conspicuous linear formation. This ocular phenomenon can be aesthetically mesmerizing, forming a network of vaporous lines that crisscross the stratospheric panorama like an invisible artist's brushstroke upon the canvas of the sky. _____
Scientifically speaking, contrails are generated under specific thermal thresholds and hygroscopic saturation levels, yet their formation appears to defy simplistic climatological interpretations. While some contrails dissipate rapidly, others exhibit a perplexing persistence, lingering aloft for durations that challenge normative expectations and engender speculative theories. Indeed, the prolonged retention of certain contrails has prompted discussions involving concepts such as cloud seeding, atmospheric manipulation, and climatological reengineering, although such topics dwell predominantly within the realm of conjectural discourse rather than empirical verification.
Moreover, the semiotic symbolism of contrails within popular culture cannot be underestimated. Often misconstrued as harbingers of clandestine governmental stratagems or cryptic aerosol dispersals, contrails occupy a unique locus at the intersection of scientific reality and sociopolitical mythology. The term "chemtrails," for example, has emerged from the substrata of conspiracy theory vernacular to denote alleged deviations from standard contrail morphology, although the semantic and chemical distinctions remain dubiously delineated. ———
iii. Contrails also invite an ontological discourse regarding the anthropogenic impact on the tropospheric aesthetic. As airborne emissaries of human industrial advancement, these streaks of artificial cloudage may be seen as emblematic of our technological ingress into the once-untouched sanctity of the upper atmosphere. Their visual presence suggests not merely a mechanical byproduct but a metaphorical assertion of human agency in domains previously reserved for birds and deities.
In summation, contrails are an amalgamation of physicochemical interactions, meteorological parameters, and philosophical implications, whose sheer complexity warrants both rigorous academic inquiry and imaginative rumination. While the current corpus of literature provides a scaffolding for understanding their rudimentary formation, much remains to be elucidated regarding their broader climatological and epistemological ramifications. Thus, the study of contrails continues to be a fertile ground for intellectual exploration, poetic metaphor, and speculative ideation.
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Clemson Conqueror [11570]
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UR making fool of URself using chemtrails argument to cast shade on my SA post
May 16, 2025, 8:25 PM
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The Guardian recently reported that UK scientists, backed by the government itself, are gearing up for outdoor geoengineering experiments to spray particles into the sky. This involves releasing reflective aerosols designed to bounce some of the sun’s energy back into space — essentially, a giant sunscreen for the planet.
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BTW, several years ago (before COVID), Bill Gates had advocated the ‘placement’ of light-reflecting gases & particles to fight global warming.
Non-light reflecting chemtrail particles like aluminum and barium (I don’t know if barium carbonate or barium sulfate … or both … are the barium based additives. These barium salts are highly insoluble in water, which makes them ideal as nucleating agents for coalescing atmospheric moisture into precipitation sized water droplets).
I’m trying to confirm assertions that chemtrails additives (aluminum & barium particles, and sulfur dioxide) are dosed into jet fuel; this path allows for the expulsion of chemtrail additives into upper layers of the atmosphere.
https://www.change.org/p/stop-uk-chemtrail-experiments
You got out of your lane on this chemtrails sidebar, same as with your understanding of the land ownership / faux discrimination against blacks in S.Africa as ‘justification’ for state sponsored harm to whate S.Africa’s Afrikaners.
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