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Trump will have immunity for all his fraud
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Jun 3, 2025, 8:38 PM
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so Musk has to try to save himself because he's going to be the one the Democrats go after.
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Yea, liberals hate pork filled, bloated bills***
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Does this twist your mind in knots?
Jun 3, 2025, 9:33 PM
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Elon says he doesn't like the bill.
Someone jokes that makes him a liberal now.
You retort with a sarcastic remark that implies liberals love bloat.
You realize that Trump championed this bill.
Does that make Trump a liberal in your world?
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Congress wrote the bill; and they all suck.***
Jun 3, 2025, 9:47 PM
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SO this isn't the "Big Beautiful Bill?"***
Jun 3, 2025, 10:02 PM
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Defend what? Its not a great bill; but its a bazillion times
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Jun 3, 2025, 10:03 PM
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better than the “green new deal”.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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Defend the spending while also trying to suck Elons ####.***
Jun 3, 2025, 10:05 PM
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Having 300,000+ deaths attributed to him probably has something to do w/it.***
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Source: Bono. Lol, show the names.***
Jun 3, 2025, 9:23 PM
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lol; youre serious? Jfc***
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Jun 3, 2025, 9:48 PM
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A “speculative model” can also be called blsht and be accurate.
P.S. that’s same source Bono used
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CU Medallion [19112]
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David Brooks used it too (which is who I heard it from)...
Jun 3, 2025, 10:10 PM
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Not sure why you even care to defend Elon/DOGE anymore, seems like now that he has broken off from Trump you'd be done with that part of the ######.
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Just admit that zero people have died so to the curtailing of liberal
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Jun 3, 2025, 10:18 PM
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money laundering.
“Nichols has said that the number is a projection, not a direct count, due to the absence of real-time tracking in many affected regions”
P.S. nichols developed the model that you tards are spouting
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Where's the proof these programs were liberal money laundering?
Jun 3, 2025, 10:21 PM
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Until you provide that evidence, I'll go with this "projection" that clearly shows cutting them has led to thousands of deaths that you seem okay with, because that's the path you've decided to fight for.
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Re: Where's the proof these programs were liberal money laundering?
Jun 3, 2025, 11:02 PM
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We need a MagaBS trope engine that can track down these sources, because everything so far points back to Reddit and Keowee.
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Re: Where's the proof these programs were liberal money laundering?
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Jun 4, 2025, 8:31 AM
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At what point would you stop believing the propaganda? Obviously 300k isn't enough. If they came out today and said 5 billion people had died due to us cutting 1% of our spending would you believe that also? Is there any number you wouldn't believe? Any claim whatsoever?
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CU Medallion [19112]
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If your Malaria treatment is cut off, what is a possible outcome?
Jun 4, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Only someone who has had their mind warped by propaganda would dismiss the common-sense reality that cutting off treatment for Malaria and other diseases (among many other beneficial programs) would result in deaths.
Only someone who is warped by their propaganda would believe these programs were fraud and abuse.
So, again, stop projecting and start realizing that real lives (many of them children) are at stake and this tribal nonsense you have succumbed to is costing people their lives.
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Re: Looks like Musk is a liberal again ;)
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Jun 3, 2025, 9:32 PM
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I said it when they married. This divorce of dumb donald & Musk is gonna get ugly
* gets popcorn
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Indeed
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Jun 3, 2025, 9:35 PM
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I am FAR from a Musk fan, but say what youw ant he *seems* to be operating with some semblance of principle (or at least a misguided belief he is doing so), as opposed to Trump which doesn't seem to have a singular non-self-centered principle in his soul.
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Don't give Musk too much credit
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Jun 3, 2025, 9:55 PM
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his empire is built on a lot of fraud. He just didn't get as much out of helping Trump as he thought he was.
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Oh, I'm not
Jun 3, 2025, 10:02 PM
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I think he's a drugged out megalomaniac billionaire. I ALSO think he has the principle of at least thinking he's the good guy. Whereas I don't think Trumnp gives 2 craps about anything other than his well being.
I"m not arguing Elon is somehow virtuous or a net positive, at all. But I do think canhe has a super-hero style fixation on indulging his savior complex. Whereas, Trump only sees suckers he con to exploit.
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That's a good and fair point
Jun 3, 2025, 10:37 PM
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Elon is actually as rich as Trump pretends so the only thing he really has left to care about is being liked. Whereas Trump is still trying to bribe his way into more money.
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Re: Looks like Musk is a liberal again ;)
Jun 3, 2025, 9:40 PM
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Musk is experiencing the same thing all Pubs have dealt with for our entire lives which is that the bought and paid for GOP love to spend just as much as the lefties. That leaves people who would gladly vote for spending cuts the option of either voting for what they hope to be the lesser of two evils, or checking out of the process entirely.
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This bill is 100 percent Trumps agenda. Defend it.***
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Re: So Trump is a bought and paid for GOP member?***
Jun 4, 2025, 8:34 AM
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Musk is like me. He finds himself without a legitimate political home.
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Jun 3, 2025, 10:16 PM
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The Democrats have done nothing to purge themselves of the far left. The Republicans have fully embraced Donald Trump. There’s nowhere for a traditional Conservative who wants a President with character. That’s my personal dilemma.
Musk has rejected the Democrats for his treatment in California, for their constant beratement of anyone who speaks against their agenda and probably most importantly for what happened to his child. He thought Trump would be the difference. Under Trump, Musk could say what he wanted (save for insulting Trump), regulations would be slashed. He could truly make an impact on cost reduction, which some of you reject for some nefarious agenda but I think he truly wanted to right this ship.
I think the attacks on him personally, on his companies, and Trump’s ridiculousness finally started to wear him down. To take that level of abuse (warranted or not) and then watch it get thrown away must be maddening.
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Re: Musk is like me. He finds himself without a legitimate political home.
Jun 3, 2025, 11:07 PM
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right, when Harris cuddled up to Liz Cheney, I think she purged herself just fine of the far left.
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Is that how it works? They gave a vocal Trump critic a side hug so
Jun 4, 2025, 9:22 AM
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now they're "the moderates"? Did I miss where Harris advocated for any policies that Liz Cheney advocated for aside from "Donald Trump is unfit for office"?
What does it say that the current administration has former Democrats in positions of Secretary of Health and Human Services, Director of National Intelligence, Secretary of Commerce and...oh yeah...President of the United States? Given your criteria for categorizing Democrats, does that make this administration "center-left"?
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Re: Musk is like me. He finds himself without a legitimate political home.
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Musk is just like nearly every billionare. they would trade it all for MORE.
He is all about his money, and companies. He got in and cut all the people investigating him (smart). he would absolutely still be sitting in dumb donalds lap or vice versa if his company had not taken a big hit. he is Mr Burns, and will turn on anyone who hits him in the pocketbook
this will turn out just like nearly every other non elected person that aligned themselves with dumb donald. Im guessing they will be in a tweeting war in no time at all
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Re: Musk is like me. He finds himself without a legitimate political home.
Jun 3, 2025, 11:33 PM
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I used to tell the kids at the office when they would harp on Billionaires, that every single last one of them would give up every penny to be your age again, that your youth is far more valuable than money. It always goes over well
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Predominantly his mockery of western allies and
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Inexplicable affection for dictators. But also his banana republic tactics of granting pardons to supporters, offering access for money, expressing outrage at the idea of due process. Oh, and triple digit tariffs on a whim.
So those are policy takes, but of course now that Republicans are the party of MAGA, you have to add in his character flaws. His childish rants, his transactional nature, his crudeness. His prioritizing loyalty over competency. His administration picks. His lack of respect for the half of the country that does not support him.
Then you have to look at the party as a whole. The immediate issue is their “kiss the ring” stature…that to be a Republican is to kiss up to Donald Trump. Then there is the budget. If once again they take budget cuts and decide to reallocate to pet projects, there is just no hope.
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Re: Predominantly his mockery of western allies and
Jun 4, 2025, 8:41 AM
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It’s silly to think Trump is a conservative. If Rand Paul is correct in stating this bill increases the debt ceiling $5 trillion, no conservative should vote for the bill even though there are good things within the bill.
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How is that the conclusion you draw from my post?
Jun 5, 2025, 6:42 AM
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I agree with border control and slashing government spending. I find his foreign policy deplorable.
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What about his attacks on LGBTQ rights?
Jun 5, 2025, 7:39 AM
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and other civil rights?
And Education?
And feeding kids?
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Why are you looking for an argument?
Jun 5, 2025, 9:22 AM
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What point are you trying to make? Is it about me? Trump? Republicans?
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You claimed you didnt have a modern political party
Jun 5, 2025, 9:30 AM
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But it seems like you fit in with the modern Republican Party on everything but Trump being corrupt.
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Ah. I got ya. Yes, way more than the Democrats. As I said,
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the biggest issues with the Republicans is that they are currently the boot licking party of Trump, and Trump is unfit for office. I suspect that after his term they will hand the reigns to Vance, who is also unfit. So yes, the party has made themselves a cult of personality rather than a party of principle and the personality is unworthy of my support.
But you are correct that I am not upset by many of the policies. Smaller government and controlled borders for sure. If Nikki Haley won the nomination in 2028 I would almost certainly be on board. If Vance does, I almost certainly will sit another Presidential election out…assuming the Democrats elect another terrible candidate.
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I think thats my point Im trying to get across to you
Jun 5, 2025, 11:02 AM
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That it’s amazing how easy Trump took over your party by being mean to brown and gay people with little tax cuts sprinkled in.
Your party is completely willing to turn its head to serious financial fraud by Trump just to make life harder on marginalized groups and the poor.
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Yep.
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“ That it’s amazing how easy Trump took over your party”
Yes I agree with this. That’s why I said I’m a man without a party right now.
The rest of your comments are kind of colored by your politics, and that’s fine. I’m not interested in getting into that debate here. But yeah I agree. I was amazed in 2016 and again in 2024. Some (in my opinion) very strong candidates were tossed aside like rag dolls for this man. To the RNC’s credit, they let the voice of their constituents be heard, unlike the DNC (and despite the fact that they clearly didn’t want Trump either). This IS the Republican Party. It’s what their members want.
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Re: Musk is like me. He finds himself without a legitimate political home.
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I think he naively thought when exposed blatant wasteful snd potentially fraudulent spending by thr hundreds of billions he'd receive a different response than Democrats wanting him imprisoned and congressional Pubs giving him a big yawn. He already knew Dems were insane and unreasonable people but now he's realizing (as many of us already have) that the DC Pubs are just as entrenched at their spot at the taxpayer trough and have no real stomach to actually cut much of anything, regardless of how they campaign. Its like the illegal immigration issue that DC Pubs have ignored (except during election season of course) for 40 years. Now Trumps suddenly come along and done something that could have been done 40 years ago, but make no mistake, the average DC Pub couldn't care less if the borders secure. This sleaziness probably caught Elon off guard and now he's decided to stop tilting at windmills. Can't really blame him.
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"Waste, fraud, and abuse"
Jun 4, 2025, 11:01 AM
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Let's check the scorecard: zero evidence of fraud and abuse so far. But I'm sure indictments are imminent.
Waste? You and Leon are simply defining that as "spending money on things I don't personally like".
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Re: "Waste, fraud, and abuse"
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His teams found a great deal of things no normal person would dispute as wasteful. Just because whatever echo chamber you get your news from has refused to tell you about them doesn't mean they haven't been discovered. And I said potential fraud. Hard to tell the difference between the fed govt being terrible at their job and engaging in legitimately criminal activity since the end result is often very similar.
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Please, share the very obviously wasteful discoveries
Jun 4, 2025, 12:18 PM
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that definitely aren't just things you don't like money being spent on.
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You have no credibility***
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I'm okay with this retort. I'm not sure what "abuse" means in this context
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but I would certainly argue that some of the allocations of funds by USAID or other organizations is an abuse of their allocation. But it doesn't really matter. It's just semantics.
And yeah...I'm okay with "fraud" being in the description but if no one has been arrested, stop telling me that there is fraud.
Now..."waste". Sure...things I don't like. You can always find SOMEONE that likes a certain set of spending, and vice-verse. My personal take is...for an organization that takes my money to pay its bills and spends almost $2 TRILLION more than it currently takes in, I'd call waste just about anything it does that isn't absolutely necessary for the core functioning of US government. You can quibble about this or that (for example, I strongly support our money going to Ukraine, as I think it will be a long-term win for us and our allies), but that's my criteria. So...cut, cut, cut. I do not care...well, I care...it's not that I WANT anyone to lose their jobs, but if you take a job with a company that loses $2 TRILLION a year, you should have your skills and resume up-to-date and you'd better be out there networking.
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I love it
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Glad he came out and said it. Hope he gets people fired up bc this is trash.
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Nah - he just calls it like he sees it. He knew the government was operating
Jun 4, 2025, 9:11 AM
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inefficiently and thought he could help. He sees what he believes it a bloated Bill and he speaks out.
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You hate Musk when he agrees with
Jun 4, 2025, 2:18 PM
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Trump and hate him when he disagrees with Trump.
Yawn.
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Re: Looks like Musk is a liberal again ;)
Jun 4, 2025, 2:19 PM
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Hardly. He is now ultra conservative. Republican spending is too big for him.
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