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TigerNet Immortal [176660]
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Cottdang, people ain’t even mad and TRDJ
Sep 6, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Running 105 octane race fuel today in his twin-turbo Hellcat-powered industrial grade sunshine pump.
$100 says he already has the final draft written and saved for his first post-loss “the sun still came up this morning” post.
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Yeah, but his sunshine pump is 100% bs.
Sep 6, 2022, 11:45 AM
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I think.
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I’m feeling a 4:1 truth:jest ratio.
Sep 6, 2022, 11:50 AM
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I feel like he’s been training hard in the off-season for this first game, expecting more general fan discontent, so he’s opening up a little more of the playbook than he should be this early in the season.
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Tiger Titan [48503]
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No bs here
Sep 6, 2022, 11:51 AM
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I mean, I don't think we are the greatest team on earth or anything. We are darn good though, and we have a shot at a special season depending on how things progress.
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I'm gonna say it.
Sep 6, 2022, 12:24 PM
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We easily could have the best D in the country, and Cade or not, if Streeter could dial up a little more third quarter and a little less 1st quarter play calling, it might be enough to win it all. It would have been against Georgia last year.
When people say DJ had multiple flaws in his game last season and that Cade looked better in the spring game and last night (yep, just one series, but DJ doesn't make at least two of those throws in that series if you're being honest), it's not insulting Dabo to wonder if he'd be the better starter.
We have 13+ seasons with Dabo. We know he's good. We can know he's good without pretending he's omnipotent and flawless. After a decade with the man and at least two similar QB controversies, a fairly accurate psychological profile can be put together for this current situation that reasonably assumes DJ is getting graded on a generous curve based on loyalty, tenure, effort, and a general willingness for Dabo to root for underdogs in situations where he sees himself. You just understand that's what you're getting with Dabo and if it's a flaw, it's at least an admirable one.
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I think we have something else
Sep 6, 2022, 12:35 PM
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It's got something to do with tenure, etc., but it's also a part of the culture we have. You can't be a guy who gets kids and kids parents to pick you because they trust you if you are also cutting folks loose the minute you see greener grass. The coaches kids, the legacies, the goofy dad vibe all the time, those are part of our culture. The team appears to genuinely run like mostly like a family and I think that's why we don't have as many 5 stars as OSU and Alabama and Georgia and A&M but we beat those guys.
The transfer portal is great, but watch Brian Kelly swing in the wind as all his transfer guys quit to go somewhere else now that they have little to no shot at making the playoff.
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You aren't wrong....I just wrapped that up in the "loyalty"
Sep 6, 2022, 12:37 PM
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catch-all.
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Re: I think we have something else
Sep 6, 2022, 5:51 PM
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Yes sir ... the culture must stand above everything else, for without it we cannot compete in the recruiting / NIL world against the big money CF programs.
We haven't lost yet (this year, and quite frankly didn't lose any games last year) because of DJ.
Last year's losses ... Phomachann just couldn't throw; there isn't one single loss from 2021 where TP could have led us to victory as a replacement for DJU.
We we won last night ... so no loss this year for playing DJU.
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DJ was literally the difference in the UGA game.***
Sep 6, 2022, 5:55 PM
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I find it interesting that "we don't know what we have" with
Sep 6, 2022, 6:02 PM
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Cade to say that he's legit and could replace DJ, with his 4/6 passing effort last night, but we can definitively say that "Phomachann just couldn't throw" with his whopping 11/19 effort in 2021.
I feel like I'm talking to Big Dave socks.
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TRDJ has always been bullish on the Tigers
Sep 6, 2022, 2:07 PM
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way back in 2015 when we played at the Orange Bowl homey dropped some serious coinage on the Tigers and won.
He also somehow got to field level and was sending me pictures from the game
Tharealdonjuan
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Same in 16 but MORE coinage.
Sep 6, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Got paid to go see that natty dub!
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I dunno. It's kinda shocking, but not really....the sheer
Sep 6, 2022, 11:50 AM
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number of whiny peeps within our fan base. I guess in hindsight it's always been that way.
Good handful of folks in here can't seem to find much satisfaction in a grade A ### whupping.
TOLD YOU OUR OFFENSE WAS SHAT. SAW IT WATCHING RERUNS OF THE O&W GAME. WE WON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. START THE 17 YR OLD HE'S WAAAAY BETTER.
For real, we could win every game 102-0 and MFs would find something to beyatch about.
I've been doing this (CU Football) a long time and have learned to appreciate wins while not shoving a pencil in my eye after losses, let alone plugging an eyeball with a yellow #2 after a 31 point road win.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [103803]
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Errybody wanted to see DJ throw more than 1 TD
Sep 6, 2022, 11:54 AM
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We didn't want to see him fumble it. We wanted him to work past his 1st receiving option.
Yeah, he could have had 2 or 3 td throws if the receivers could catch the dang ball.
Butt at the end of the day, the qb is still a liability for greatness and we are all used to greatness.
If Cade is truly significantly better as a lot of us thinks, he'll get his time soon enuff.
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I think you might be a little myopic on the minor discontent
Sep 6, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Even on the mange where idiocy abounds, most seem to be saying D was great, new position coaches did a decent job, and even DJ improved while debating if Cade looked better still.
Overt negativity can always be found but it seems minimal.
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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed
Sep 6, 2022, 11:57 AM
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that we didn't force the entire GT football team, coaching staff, managers, trainers, cheerleaders, and athletic administrators into committing ritual hari kari at halftime. We have to get better about that if we expect to be great.
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More D-Line and punt line shifting might take care of that.***
Sep 6, 2022, 11:59 AM
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Your deal is that you don't want others to vent (like me)
Sep 6, 2022, 12:01 PM
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Or have a differing opinion without going down the "you should coach then" road.
If you are happy with DJ's play great...not everyone is. Including most analysts that do football evaluation for a living.
And yes, I'm glad we won the game and beat the brakes off of GT but I can still be disappointed that Dabo blew smoke up our ### all off-season about how good DJ was in practice and camp.
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Naw, it's not about people venting or having opinions.
Sep 6, 2022, 2:34 PM
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It's not even sane to think the coaches are just lying to you.
Like think about it.
There are let's say 125 people at practice every day (coaches and players). And they are telling you something about how someone is doing compared to last year. Then you watch him play 3.5 quarters of football for the first time in 9+ months. And your hot take is that they have been lying through their teeth.
Hate to break it to you but I can with 100% confidence tell you that there were players that were BETTER in the game than they've been in practice, and there were players that were WORSE in the game than they've been in practice.
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I wouldn't call that a grade A ### whupping
Sep 6, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Score really doesn't reflect how terrible our offense was for 3 quarters. DJ is simply not a playmaker, he'd probably be a serviceable backup but he's going to struggle against deeper/more talented defenses big time. I like how he taunted the defense on that TD run as if they hadn't been wearing his asss out the whole game up until then.
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I DID like that...
Sep 6, 2022, 12:28 PM
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I don't want to see a lot of it, but I was cool with it last night. It seemed like he didn't throw nothing but dimes after that. I really think he just needs to get his confidence back and it looks like he at least made a lot of progress from the beginning to the end of that game.
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He did look better toward the end of the game, but I
Sep 6, 2022, 12:33 PM
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attribute that to GT's d-line being gassed more than anything.
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How many fade routes did he throw past the sideline last
Sep 6, 2022, 12:36 PM
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year? 50? Last night he was dropping them right into the pocket.
If he'd been able to throw to the Swinney kid he'd have had 3-4 more completions too.
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I'd say he showed he is a "playmaker" when
Sep 6, 2022, 12:45 PM
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he avoided a sack by flipping the ball to Ship. It was 3rd down, kept the drive alive, and finished in the end zone.
Again he ain't Deshaun but he ain't a total stick in the mud either.
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No, and he ain't lost to the chickens.
Sep 6, 2022, 1:05 PM
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but he ain't Tajh Boyd either.
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Man, that's just always been our fanbase
Sep 6, 2022, 12:34 AM
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We want heads to roll if we don't cover a spread.
It's a flaw, but better than thinking you're Natty bound the moment you pick up a failed QB transfer like our feathered friends down the road.
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But we did cover the spread and heads still rolling***
Sep 6, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Being as we have several mutual friends,
Sep 6, 2022, 12:39 PM
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Do you find yourself wanting to tell some of them to #### about 99% of the time while not being annoyed by somebody else making the same comment but with better language.
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All the time
Sep 6, 2022, 2:17 PM
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A few of those mutuals can't find any joy in any of our games no matter what the outcome.
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I KNOW ! This right here is a nearly entirely true story
Sep 6, 2022, 12:19 PM
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that happened to me 2 years ago in the Valley.
I was sitting in some of the poshest seats The Valley has to offer that don't have JC embroidered on them - and the dude behind me was a rando die-hard Clemson Family member.
About every third play - us on offense, on defense, didn't matter - this dude would spout out something negative, doomsday, less than encouraging . . . . like:
Watch when we throw this to WRX, he's gonna drop it and we're gonna have to punt.
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Time for LBY to overrun the gap again and us get blown up for big yards.
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Fumbling this punt we are receiving is gonna cost us the game.
After about a quarter of this, I turned around after the latest gnashing of teeth & rending of garments, and smiled & said - We Gonna Be Alright Man - We Got This.
Dude barely even looked at me - his wife jumped in - it's who he is, it's what he does, nothing you are gonna say will change it.
Wow. OK.
I had him killed.
Y'all are welcome. One less hand-wringer.
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Did you 'con soul' the wife...?***
Sep 6, 2022, 2:03 PM
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I get the sentiment butt there is no reason we should be
Sep 6, 2022, 12:26 PM
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playing close to teams like this in the third quarter, we had such an talent mismatch against Tech and also do against most in the ACC.
I also get we've been spoiled by generational talent in TL and DW - but IMO we would have been in the playoffs last year with completely average QB play because our defense was lights out and the offense was completely inept.
Just frustrating that we've recruited at such a high level the past few years and have such a ridiculous talent disparity with most of our rivals, but had a QB who ranked in the 120s (!!) in numerous passing statistics and this is still our best option a year later
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I happen to hold the opinion that DJ isn't as bad as folks
Sep 6, 2022, 12:34 PM
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think.
Is he TL or DW? Of course not.
There are MANY factors that contribute to a QBs success, and drops/injuries/poor OL play haven't done him any favors for most of his CU career.
I didn't love play calling last night either.
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Out of 124 qualifying QBs in all of FBS last year
Sep 6, 2022, 1:07 PM
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117th in YPA, 112th in completion percentage (pretty amazing for as many WR screens as we utilize), 118th in QBR. How many passes did he just completely miss an open WR on a short route because of insanely bad accuracy? 50?
There are certainly things working against him and the WR/OL play and playcalling can make a massive difference but here are some of the schools where the QBs have better stats and I'm going to guess they have less to work with than DJ has with Clemson's roster talent
Kansas North Texas Rutgers New Mexico State UTEP Bowling Green UNLV
BTW - if this is all an elaborate troll job by you and you know how bad he is really is - well played
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Tiger Titan [48503]
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Look, I ain't saying he's Tom Brady.
Sep 6, 2022, 2:21 PM
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Or anything close for that matter. I also ain't saying he is hot garbage.
QBR rankings from last year are fact. No dispute here. IMO last year he:
Played poorly Had tons of stuff on his mind due to parental drama Probably believed too much of the hype around him Had an outrageous number of injuries at WR and OL At times was asked to execute really dumb play calls Played poorly
I don't think the coaches are just LYING to everyone about his improvement. He certainly has talent.
Not a troll job, and I do wonder what it would look like for CK to play a full game. Kid also has talent.
I'm also not ready to bench DJ after a 31 point road win where the true frosh goes 4/6 passing while entertaining the coach's kids.
If I were the coach, I think I'd handle it similarly. In time, make changes if the picture becomes more clear in training or if the job isn't getting gone in games AND it becomes fair to singularly place them on the QB.
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I'M MAD AS #### AND NO GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Sep 6, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Anyone is welcome to disagree with me. Being wrong is a God given right and supported by the Constitution of THIS GREAT NATION! I don't expect everyone to be right and agree with me.
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We look better than last year and we won 10 games last year
Sep 6, 2022, 5:08 PM
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playcalling was fine with some new wrinkles it looked like. There were some mistakes in the first half that kept the offense from scoring (DJ fumble and DJ handling of a bad snap for example) that would have made things less tense going into the 2nd half. DJ actually looked MUCH better on his mechanics and throw accuracy (the throw to Collins for the TD was perfect) than last year. If the WRs learn to catch his stats would have been more impressive and we'd have at least one more TD on the board.
Defense is dominate. Only negatives I saw were that had at least one if not two pick 6s that were just plain dropped and we allowed GT to have a couple of long drives that killed time. But that's very much nitpicking. They looked as advertised.
Biggest worry is lack of explosive plays and playmakers on offense, especially with the WRs. Other than Williams, I saw almost no one that "popped" or has playmaking ability out of the WRs. DJ had some great throws deep down the field that were dropped, need our WRs to help out our QB. While DJ looked much better than last year the offense still looks like it's sputtering and has no rhythm. That's the main difference I saw between DJ and Klubnik. Klubnik's one series had fluidity and rhythm. It's early but so it'll be interesting to see how things develop as we see more of both Qbs in these next few games.
Oh, also our Oline was pretty bad (especially in the first half) and contributed greatly to how bad the offense looked at times in the game. Oline and WRs were my biggest negatives coming out of the game.
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