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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Aug 20, 2025, 8:19 PM
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Rant incoming…. Our conference is garbage, and for at least the last 50 years has treated us like garbage even though we’ve done 90% of the work keeping it relevant in football for the last decade.
Yet for some reason that illudes me, every time someone from the media, another board, or person with an ounce of common sense points out our conference, who puts almost no effort or money into football outside of a few teams, is in fact not great at football, we act like they have come on our campus, smashed our trophy case, and hung their personal banner full of insults off the Oculus!
WHY?!
To name a few offenses coming out of that cesspool of a conference office
-They ran off Danny Ford and set our program back 20 years in the 80s
-They try to make us play games on high school nights
-They lock us into idiotic TV deals
-Make us take them to court to even READ the media rights deal they signed in a closed secure room
-They give a slap on the wrist to UNC for something they would have given our football and basketball teams the death sentence for
-They assign us the most anti Clemson refs and refuse to even acknowledge their egregious failures
If anything, the correct response when someone calls our conference the hot garbage that it is:
1. Yes our conference does su*k, majority of schools put little comparitive funding into football facilities and their program as a whole
2. The conference office is historically anti-Clemson even though we’re the only thing currently preventing the ACC from being effectively a G7 conference
3. Due to the weak in-conference competition as a result of point 1 we intentionally schedule among the toughest OOC schedules in the country every year to keep a respectable SOS and challenge ourselves
4. Thanks to the idiotic leadership we are at a $20m media rights disadvantage to a school like fuc*ing Vanderbilt
5. We’re going to ditch these morons the first chance we get where it won’t bankrupt us, likely 2030
6. Despite all this we’re still more likely than not to go toe to toe with any other school in the country and beat them
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seminoleNET and accNET runs deep in this forum***
Aug 20, 2025, 8:25 PM
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Ring of Honor [23098]
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Harsh but lots of truth in there
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Aug 20, 2025, 8:29 PM
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AD is positioning accordingly for gentlemanly exit when the right offer is on the table.
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Heisman Winner [87645]
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the ACC isn't even hot garbage. More like tepid, but still rank.***
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Aug 20, 2025, 9:08 PM
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Aug 20, 2025, 9:12 PM
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When you learn to look at the conference for all the sports, not just football, you will understand why the ACC is a great conference. Broaden your horizons and you may find some peace.
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Aug 20, 2025, 9:32 PM
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You do realize football pays for all those other sports.
Guess not. It's fans like you that hold us back from being better. You'd be better placed as a coot fan.
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Ultimate Tiger [36574]
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
Aug 20, 2025, 10:34 PM
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trolls can't understand what pays the bills.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54046]
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Given the ACCs success in those sports, football must not be a problem.
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Aug 21, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Since football pays for all of those sports, it must not be the albatross you suggest.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Aug 20, 2025, 10:34 PM
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The collapse of the PAC 12 shows that conference affiliation only matters in regards to football. The rest of the sports are just along for the ride, and in the case of the former PAC12 schools, those rides are now very, very, long
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Aug 20, 2025, 9:29 PM
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You nailed it. Why any Clemson fan would support the ACC is akin to the battered wife syndrome. Afraid to leave and always hoping he will change and treat us better. Never going to happen.
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Paw Master [17592]
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Aug 20, 2025, 10:26 PM
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Great analogy! +1
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The ultimate victim mentality post.
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Aug 20, 2025, 9:39 PM
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HOF material.
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Cootish post with very little truth. They ran off Danny??
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Aug 20, 2025, 9:53 PM
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ACC didn't hand out penalties against UNC. The NCAA did . Our Admin signed off on all TV deals.
There is a lil truth in your speaking of basketball officiating but it's not some preconceived notion by the ACC it's just that star players with star coaches get a few calls, but that's universal in hoops.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Re: Cootish post with very little truth. They ran off Danny??
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Aug 20, 2025, 10:32 PM
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I always know when responses to a post like this are led with some sort of “coot” accusation it means it’s struck the flight of fight nerve. Usually because the poster feels their own views being challenged and they’re contemplating that they may in fact be wrong and don’t like it so they lash out childishly at the person who spoke some truth
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No, it's more that your post has a victim
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Aug 20, 2025, 11:38 PM
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mentality with skewed facts.
The ACC didn't run off Danny.
The ACC didn't hand down penalties to UNC.
The ACC isn't out to get us.
The coot reference was because they left the ACC because of their victim mentality.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Re: No, it's more that your post has a victim
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Aug 21, 2025, 12:42 AM
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Swofford was an eye patch short of a Bond villain, and while the NCAA handed down punishments he certainly had a hand in them. Dont you remember the raucous booing we gave him when we beat VT in Charlotte for our first ACCCG in 20 years? And Phillips is a sniveling puppet who will do absolutely nothing to better our situation, let alone botching the COVID season with ND
and giving away what little leverage we had.
The ACC can go eat a bag of d*cks, we owe them nothing, the sooner we get out the better our program will be
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Paw Master [17392]
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I have a lot of comments but the one that matters is that most people here
Aug 21, 2025, 12:05 AM
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who get upset about ACC-bashing is because it's almost always associated with belittling Clemson and their resume or right to a playoff spot or ranking or accomplishments.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Re: I have a lot of comments but the one that matters is that most people here
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Aug 21, 2025, 12:47 AM
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To be honest it’s about the only legitimate knock on our team. And it’s a fair point. If you outright dismiss it, or worse try to defend this terrible conference, it just takes credibility away from sound arguments that our program is thriving despite being in such a terrible, poor (financially), and poorly run conference.
A conference doesn’t make a team and a conference doesn’t win a championship, only a team does. Conference pride is for teams and fanbases who can’t win anything meaningful on their own, and that’s certainly not club a Clemson belongs to
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Re: I have a lot of comments but the one that matters is that most people here
Aug 21, 2025, 10:36 AM
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To be honest it’s about the only legitimate knock on our team. And it’s a fair point. If you outright dismiss it, or worse try to defend this terrible conference, it just takes credibility away from sound arguments that our program is thriving despite being in such a terrible, poor (financially), and poorly run conference.
A conference doesn’t make a team and a conference doesn’t win a championship, only a team does. Conference pride is for teams and fanbases who can’t win anything meaningful on their own, and that’s certainly not club a Clemson belongs to
If this is how all Clemson fans feel then you need to go to the Big or the B12. You're not of the South and don't feel that you are. A team is a piece of the conference and no team is more important than the conference as a whole. When you hear the fans chanting SEC, SEC they are acknowledging it is a win, foremost, for the conference. Yes, you hear that from Bama, Georgia and anyone else that wins a title. We're brothers over here when it matters
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Re: I have a lot of comments but the one that matters is that most people here
Aug 21, 2025, 11:52 AM
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It’s been a minute since I took geography but I’m pretty sure Boston, MA, Pittsburgh, PA, Syracuse, NY, Stanford and Berkeley, CA are not in the south. And they’re certainly part of our terrible conference.
Our team doesn’t win games for our conference, we don’t win them for Wake Forest or for Louisville. The teams win games for their own brothers on their team, their coaches and trainers, and their school and fans. I’m pretty sure no coach in history has ended a rousing halftime speech with, “Let’s go win this game for our conference!”
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Paw Master [17392]
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So...back to my "Lot of comments"...
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Aug 21, 2025, 12:17 PM
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-They ran off Danny Ford and set our program back 20 years in the 80s
This is a crazy take. The ACC did not "run off Danny Ford". Honestly, even the most angry old timers about that incident blame the Clemson administration for that. You're the first person I've heard say that the ACC is to blame.
-They try to make us play games on high school nights
I mean...when? How often? I doubt you need two hands to count the number of times we've played on a Friday. When was the last time? About a decade ago? Am I forgetting one? And what do you want them to do? Everyone is screaming about how we need to maximize revenue. If that brings in more money, what do you want them to do? Rob a bank?
-They lock us into idiotic TV deals
True, but it's not like this was an attack on Clemson. This was just bad leadership. Everyone in the conference is suffering. It's not an attack on us.
-Make us take them to court to even READ the media rights deal they signed in a closed secure room
This is not a reason for a fan to not like a conference. You're looking for reasons. But even so, is this how it went? I thought Clemson officials were allowed to read it but maybe not take it or something like that? Maybe I'm misremembering but regardless, it's not a fan issue.
-They give a slap on the wrist to UNC for something they would have given our football and basketball teams the death sentence for
Well, yeah. It's better now than it was during the Swofford days and before.
-They assign us the most anti Clemson refs and refuse to even acknowledge their egregious failures
I don't know a program in the ACC that doesn't complain about the refs. There are no refs that I know of that can be described as "Anti-Clemson"...just bad.
The real reason to defend the ACC:
1) We are not going anywhere in the near term.
2) If you look at schools in a broad athletic structure, we are very strong. Non-revenue sports are off the charts.
3) If you look at schools as...dare I say it...schools, we are very strong. Some of the greatest academic institutions in the country.
4) We HAD the premier league in basketball for generations. Not so much anymore, but that was always the case until just recently.
5) No doubt our football is down but I still maintain that we could be on a more competitive footing. Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, UNC, NCSU, GT, Pitt...these schools could all be strong.
I say this over and over again here. I'm not naive. I'm not saying the ACC doesn't have significant warts. But too many people on here let ESPN define us by those warts. So it's "The ACC? What do you want to play Wake Forest and Duke?" But it's never "The SEC? Do you want to play Vanderbilt and Ole Miss?"
Everyone acts like we HAVE to get out...like if we go to the Big Ten things will be great. But it won't. We'll make more money. We'll get talked about like we're a big boy. But you don't play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State every weekend. You play Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, Rutgers, Maryland, Iowa, Illinois. Teams that have just as little star power as any ACC team, but with none of the history, familiarity or geographical alignment of teams up the road. Zero road games unless you buy a flight and a hotel room. Mediocre to terrible Olympic sports. The SEC is admittedly a better cultural and geographic fit, though it's an academic wasteland compared to the ACC.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Re: So...back to my "Lot of comments"...
Aug 21, 2025, 2:10 PM
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I appreciate the thoughtful response.
I agree most ACC member school academics are great, and so are most non revenue sports . My question to that is, so what? Why does it matter what the APR of the school our football, basketball, rowing, badminton, soccer, etc. teams play? How does that directly affect Clemson? This seems more like a country club “keeping up appearances” line of thinking. Besides both the SEC and Big 10 have some very high caliber academic schools if that’s really a concern.
As for non revenue sports, i honestly don’t see them suffering on a move to one of the other conferences (or a new super conference). And at the crux of it is that they are non-revenue.
Football keeps everyone else afloat, and without football there’s not going to be funding for all the other programs. The key issue with the ACC is their incompetence in negotiations and lack of leverage because we have too many institutions that are dead weight on the football field. We are getting left behind to the tune of around $20m per year, that’s not a small number by any stretch of the imagination, and it’s not a gap that’s sustainable for our football team.
Unfortunately college football has turned into big business, and while conference brotherhood or whatever might have been nice before this giant influx of cash to the sport, it’s not a luxury we can afford now. Bemoan it all you want, I agree it suc*s, but it’s the world we’re in and pretending it’s going back isn’t going to make it happen.
The ACC has been outmaneuvered in every conference shake up since landing VT/Miami, and that’s what got us scraping the bottom of the Pac12 and desperately having to add a G5 team.
The ACC is an underfunded, mismanaged sinking ship and we need to be on the next lifeboat out (2030) if we want to stay relevant long term. Until then I’m not going to pretend the conference is anything more than what it is, garbage
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A lot of stuff you are blaming the ACC for is laughable.
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Aug 21, 2025, 8:07 AM
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For example, they did not run Danny Ford off, they do not dictate what member schools decide to spend on football, and they do not dictate “anti-Clemson“ refs for our games.
Some of the conspiracy theories I read here are ludicrous.
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^^ This is a reasonable poast.^^
Aug 21, 2025, 12:53 PM
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Associate AD [1072]
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Aug 21, 2025, 8:17 AM
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Because actively rooting against the conference we are currently in makes even less sense. As long as Clemson is in the ACC, other teams performance also affects our image. So why would you want the rest of the conference to regress? It’s not about rooting for other teams, or joining the conference cult, like SEC fans. It’s about hoping the other schools get their act together. From what it seems, most of us do want out, but that’s not happening for a while. So in the meantime we have to grin and bear it.
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They ran off Danny Ford and set our program back 20 years in the 80s!?!?!***
Aug 21, 2025, 10:10 AM
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National Champion [7737]
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
Aug 21, 2025, 12:26 PM
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Say what?!? The might All Coast Conference reigns supreme.
I am better than Jim Phillips.
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Re: Why do we Circle the Wagons around the ACC?
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Y do U ask?
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Dynasty Maker [3339]
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Because Clemson was a founding member of the conference
Aug 21, 2025, 12:52 PM
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is the most likely reason. If by "we" you mean the BOT. That's the only logical reason I can think of.
If "we" refers to some other group, then I don't know any Clemson fans who circle the wagon around the conference.
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You may have heard Clemson and some has-been Florida school sued
Aug 21, 2025, 2:22 PM
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the ACC recently. It made some of the newspapers.
So I don't think there's a circling of wagons going on. A circling of lawyers, maybe, but not wagons.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Re: You may have heard Clemson and some has-been Florida school sued
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Aug 21, 2025, 3:09 PM
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The circling I’m referring to is by fans and posters on Tnet, trying to say the ACC is a legitimate conference to be feared beyond us at Clemson trying to defend this clown conference when opposing fans call out the ACC for what it is
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Re: You may have heard Clemson and some has-been Florida school sued
Aug 21, 2025, 3:13 PM
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are paid by LSU? Are you a Coot? Are you JK?
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Re: You may have heard Clemson and some has-been Florida school sued
Aug 21, 2025, 3:16 PM
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All Coast Conf resigns supreme!
GO TIGERS!!!
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