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China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:20 AM
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their airspace. Isn't that like a middle schooler screaming "Am not! You are!"?
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:24 AM
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Question: have their been any pics released of the UFOs shot down since the first one?
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:53 AM
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No pics yet but when Biden and his Admin releases them, don't be surprised. It's not China, it's not Russia, it's...
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Trump!
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I KNEW Trump had something to do with it!***
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:32 AM
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:55 AM
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The last object that was flying over Huron was at 20,000 ft. They still did not fly up and take pictures while it was intact before bringing it down I do not understand. also sidewinder is heat seeking missile. The heat is in the payload hanging from the object. The payload is carrying large solar panels collecting heat and energy and motors to fans that direct the object and give off heat. So the sidewinder must hit the payload first that is where the heat is. I do not understand our operation at all.
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:06 AM
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The AIM-9X that was used can also be radar cued. Hth.
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I don't think the octagon had a payload.
Feb 13, 2023, 9:36 AM
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As with this and the cylinders, what was the method of propulsion and where did the energy come from? Apparently some of these objects were stationary when shot down, and they werent hot air devices... how does that work exactly?
Aliens, as ancient astronaut theorists believe.
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:58 AM
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Nope… called divergence from the bigger issues and corruption within our own government. It’s like clock work.
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:00 AM
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Yep. I have always referred to this as a “smokescreen” approach. Look over there! Keeps them from looking at me.
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Communist China owns biden
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:37 AM
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His administration deflects for his owners very well.
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Of course they did.***
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:55 AM
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They are toying with our current admin. Their media is currently laughing at us for what they thought was a big deal made over nothing in shooting down the balloon with a missile.
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The Chinese government are a bunch of hypocrites...
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:04 AM
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If the US flew a spy balloon into PRC air space, they would be screaming at the top of their lungs and claiming that doing so was a violation of their sovereignty and tantamount to an act of war.
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Re: The Chinese government are a bunch of hypocrites...
Feb 13, 2023, 9:10 AM
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Wasn’t a tenet of marxism to always accuse your opposition of doing what you’re doing?
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Re: The Chinese government are a bunch of hypocrites...
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Guarantee: if a US “weather balloon” drifted over any part of China, it would be shot down as soon as the planes could get off the ground. Indeed, China would probably assume we had sent a spy drone and do everything they possibly could to preserve the payload rather than just blast it. But it would be coming down one way or another, and lickety split.
Despite what has been said about imagery from satellites vs balloons (not sure I believe that satellites produce as-good-or-better imagery), satellites cannot effectively measure or intercept a lot of EM/RF signals (where loss is an R^2) effect but that balloon could.
Sending an “innocuous” “weather balloon” through the NORAD airspace would be high up on the list of ways I would use to try to gather radar signals intelligence. A simple small thermite charge in certain pieces of equipment triggered at say 10kft altitude would provide mission deniability. Plus, you’d get the whole benefit of being about to complain about your “civilian weather experiments” being shot down by the warmongering US and play that card for all it’s worth.
Even a huge balloon can have a very low radar cross section, and even virtually zero depending on the material used to make it. The payload for signals intelligence can be made quite small (often coming in a roll-on/roll-off package), and inexpensive (for a nation-state) so that it can be destroyed with on-board munitions if/when needed to obfuscate the purpose of the equipment. Furthermore, by moving with the wind, NORAD radars would tend to ignore the low-speed returns as moving target indicator algorithms tend to skew toward ignoring returns that are too-slow and especially with velocities equal to wind-speed, and so this balloon would tend to not spike any radars scanning for ICBMs and the like.
As for being visible, it leverages the “hiding in plain sight” mechanism. It looks like weather balloon, so people seeing it will either report it as a UFO or as a weather balloon. In the event that it does cause some consternation in the spied-upon nation, the aforementioned munitions will provide a level of cover “The missile they used to shoot down our much-maligned scientific experiment destroyed all the equipment beyond recognition. How dare they claim it was spy equipment!”
And finally, the trajectory the balloon traveled went directly over or very close to a number of US anti-ICBM radars and important military sites. COBRA DANE is on Shemya, Aleutian Islands, Alaska. JBER, Alaska has a number of domestic and foreign threat radars and training operations. AN/FPS-120 PAVE PAWS is in Clear, Alaska. AN/FPQ-16 PARCS is in North Dakota. AN/FPS-85 is at Eglin AFB, Florida. All of these systems had had modernization programs updating them over the last 20-30 years from their cold war configurations, and getting signals-intelligence from them could be important to China.
OTOH, the #### thing could very well have been nothing more than a weather balloon that China lost and was too proud to admit the error. Perhaps they saw the opportunity to let it float just to see what Biden might do.
But I'll repeat what I said before. If the US lost a “weather balloon” that floated over China, it would be destroyed as soon as the planes could launch.
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I think it was a deliberate attempt by the Chinese...
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Feb 13, 2023, 10:01 AM
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to test the NORAD defense system.
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Can we just go ahead and turn China into a parking lot?...***
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:11 AM
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:26 AM
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Given the direction of the jetstream over China, we would have to launch them from Iraq or India or thereabouts.
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
Feb 13, 2023, 10:08 AM
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I think China is itching for a fight and is trying to get us to fire the first volley. That way they will look innocent on the world stage. Sooner or later one of these airships will be manned. If we shoot it down, it is game on.
And by the way, China will probably kick our butts. There are a whole lot of those little a**holes.
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But how will they get them over here? By boat?
Feb 13, 2023, 10:32 AM
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By plane? Either way is pretty vulnerable.
And does India invade China then?
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Re: China accuses US of flying balloons over
Feb 13, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Normal Communist/Leftist propaganda. Accuse the other of what you are doing.
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