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The problem with NIL and paying players.
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May 23, 2024, 7:29 AM
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I think we all agree that as it currently stands, paying players - including NIL - is a problem.
There are reasonable solutions.
There are legal solutions.
Nobody, so far, has found a reasonable legal solution.
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Your solution sounds like a good starting point for discussion.
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May 23, 2024, 9:36 AM
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I have no idea of the details of how it would exactly work out. I certainly have no idea if the courts would rule any or all of your proposal is legal.
But, I think the bottom line is all of this will have to be collectively bargained and the players would have to agree with it.
But, I love the effort you put in. I'm not belittling it at all. Thanks.
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
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May 23, 2024, 7:59 AM
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Why try to reinvent the cereal? Just copy paste what the NFL does. It’s tried and proven. Legal and ressonable. I don’t like where we are, but it’s inevitable where we are going. Let’s just call it like it is.
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It does seem to me
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May 23, 2024, 11:03 AM
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The only manageable path forward I've read is an athletic employment scenario. That will, likely, mimic an NFL'ish structure.
But the programs themselves have been fighting considering athletes as employees as it has a whole slew of expenses and potential liabilities.
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 8:23 AM
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I agree that there are issues with the way NIL is implemented, but why is a problem that the players get paid?
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 8:29 AM
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Blame TV. That’s where them money comes from!
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
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May 23, 2024, 9:28 AM
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Because it's an amateur sport. Crap or get off the pot. We already have professional sports, so watch that if you're for it. But changing my sport to something that already exists isn't right. Just go watch that. This argument reminds me of how people will try to Socialize everything in America to be like other countries, when they should just go there. It's ignoring why they want to be here. Same with Yankees moving south. You want to retire down here for a reason. So quit voting like you did there or you'll turn here into there. People don't connect the dots, they just continually try to "improve" things without realizing that those changes often, even most of the time create a worse product or system.
I played college football. These stupid sob stories you hear are total BS. I was at a smaller college back in 2005
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Can you think of another "amateur sport"...
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May 23, 2024, 11:01 AM
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...that enriches so many people and institutions other than the people actually playing the sport?
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of going back to a truly amateur model for college sports, but just know that doing so requires removing money from the system. That's not going to happen, but even if we could that will mean much less to watch on TV and rarer games between non regional teams.
The money is already in the system. It isn't an amateur sport and hasn't been for decades. You can bemoan that, but pretending it isn't the case seems, to me, to be missing the reality of the situation.
And while I'm not thrilled with the inevitable outcome of paying players (though I do think there is a route to managing this by treating players as employees), it is simply the right thing to do to pay the people who are performing the sport (at the peril of their body and health) when so many other people and institutions are raking in the cash.
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Re: Can you think of another "amateur sport"...
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May 23, 2024, 4:16 PM
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There's only one logical answer to this, bur as always, the time has passed and there's no going back. You should 100% be able to go straight to the NFL from HS. The fact you can't shouldn't hold up in court. Will it work, no. But you can't look at someone and say you don't have a path to earning money yet we won't pay you. But the fix isn't to pay them. It's make your choice. Nfl or amateurism. But get to the root of the issue. What makes college different, and better than the NFL? Love of the game, ties to colleges, student bodies, loyalty, etc. How exactly is this making any of that better? It isn't. That's the point. Have college like college baseball does and farm league NFL if you want. But this is literally exacerbating the problems and people can't see it.
Also, this idea that money exists therefore it should be shared is wild. If my son plays HS foot all does he get a cut of ticket sales? What if they're on TV? How about little league? Inequality does not mean injustice. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to play it. It's all voluntary. As someone who has physically paid the price more than the majority of players do, I think I would know what it's worth and what's deserved. 2 ACLs, Herniated disk, screw in wrist, multiple concussions.
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You are getting to the root of the problem.
May 24, 2024, 8:39 AM
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When baseball, professional level, become popular there was no feeder system. So, major league baseball constructed the minor leagues.
By the time basketball and football become popular at the professional level there was a feeder system - the colleges. From the inception, the NBA and NFL could sign kids out of college and have them ready to go straight to the NBA or NFL. If there was no college football, the NFL would have developed a minor leagues, as would the NBA.
But, their was a gentleman's agreement. The NFL and NBA needed a minor league. The NCAA willingly and eagerly accepted that role. Actually embraced that role. The NBA and NFL have worked together with the NCAA, making rules to assist the other.
NFL has a 3 year wait rule. NBA has a 1 year wait list. That helps the NCAA.
NCAA continually weakens academic requirements. That gives them a much larger pool of athletes to be eligible to play for them. That helps the NFL and NBA.
The NCAA brought this on themselves. They saw the money and they saw the opportunity to grab it. And, they did.
Life is a series of decisions, based on priorities, which lead to consequences. The NCAA made the priority that money was far more important than academics and the role of the university to educate those who desired to be educated.
Now, they are seeing the consequences of that decision.
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The NCAA's "amateurism" model is illegal.
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May 23, 2024, 11:17 AM
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It exploits the athletes at far less than fair market value.
It's past time the courts fixed it.
"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
The NCAA lost that case 9-0
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 8:52 PM
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>Because it's an amateur sport. Crap or get off the pot.
Coaches don't need to be making money either then, if it's so amateur. Silly argument.
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
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May 23, 2024, 9:33 AM
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I don't mind the players receiving some compensation in addition to their scholarship, but what we have right now isn't college football by a long shot. It's completely lawless and there are way too many mercenaries. And the "leadership" are just as greedy as some of the mercenaries.
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There is no regulating body to enforce anything right now. That's the biggest
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May 23, 2024, 10:20 AM
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problem.
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Brett, aIbrarejy disagree with you, and I respect your opinions.
May 23, 2024, 11:05 AM
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That said, there's not a problem.
The model is changing, but those that adapt will thrive in the new one.
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Arrgh. "I rarely"...
May 23, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Too many distractions this AM.
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I figured it out.
May 24, 2024, 8:41 AM
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Sometimes my fingers don't do what my brain tells them to do either.
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Change the word "problem" to "situation" and I think...
May 24, 2024, 8:27 AM
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.... we would be in agreement.
As someone once said, "There are no problems, there are only challenging opportunities."
The model is definitely changing. The changes have to be legal. Most folks agree with that. But there is a wide difference of opinion as to what changes are reasonable.
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 11:24 AM
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NIL is the law. The bigger problem is the transfer portal (most commonly in pursuit of NIL dollars).
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 12:36 PM
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Is that there are lots of schools that do it almost as well as FSWTC!
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
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May 23, 2024, 4:54 PM
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The purpose of NIL has gotten completely our of whack. IT was originally started because of some basketball players form California objected to their NIL being used by video companies to make millions of dollars off of them when they were getting nothing in return. I assume the universities were getting a healthy chunk of cash for using their school name and players, but the players were getting nothing. They should have been compensated.
This is the problem I have with it. First, all players should have the ability to make money either from mowing grass or cleaning gutters, or soda jerking, or roofing houses, etc. as their time permits. Of course, we know the big time schools have their players year round, so when are they supposed to do this. IF you are good enough and a car dealership wants to pay you to be on some of their commercials, that is fine too. What is not fine is for a university booster to pay you five million dollars to basically do nothing but come to that school and play a sport. There should be some reasonable way to determine an athlete's value for the work he performs to earn the money. I am curious what the supposed 13 million dollar contract Raiola had with UF required him to do.
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 4:59 PM
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You mean Rashada. Raiola committed to Georgia and wound up at Nebraska. Rashada committed to Florida and wound up at Georgia, by way of Arizona State.
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Absolutely it's "fair" for an athlete to be paid fair market value...
May 23, 2024, 5:04 PM
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...for whatever the NIL sponsor wants to spend and the market will bear. NIL to come to someone's favorite school? The injunction in the Tennessee/Virginia case says that it's fine and that the NCAA can't interfere in it it regulate it.
The intent doesn't matter. You don't get to tell other people how they spend their money.
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Re: The problem with NIL and paying players.
May 23, 2024, 5:01 PM
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Brett, just don’t watch or participate in the fan experience anymore and the whole thing will come down on its face.
But I love it too much. Go with the flow.
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The problem with NIL and paying players. I Agree
May 23, 2024, 6:50 PM
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Enter the folks who always bring up "well, what about coaches who leave schools. You all don't have a problem with that"!
This simple argument along with the ruling that a person should be allowed to benefit from their name image and likeness is why a good solution hasn't been found.
The part about the coaches isn't a good one in my opinion based off the fact the players aren't professionals yet. If we want to declare them professionals then skip the facade of college and call them professionals.
A kid going to college is supposed to prioritize getting an education. That was always the agreement. My young men who are earning their degree at my school are better at football than your young men are at football! Period. Who cares if the "profesional coach leaves" let's still find out who has the better football players on our campus.
I do not disagree with NIL.
But, it does need some oversight and regulation. Mostly because "THE PLAYER IS EARNING A FREE SCHOLARSHIP FROM X SCHOOL - I DON'T WANT A KID WHO POTENTIALLY SIGNS A DEAL SAYING THEY CHOKE WHEN THEY PLAY x SCHOOL OR Y SITUATION"! Pros have something they sign about fixing games. If it's possible to pay a player. It's possible to pay a player off.
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