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Asst Coach [880]
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CAN WE SURVIVE IN THIS NIL ERA
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Nov 4, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Dabo had a good "sell" up until NIL. There is a reason why Saban bailed. With no NIL, you could sell culture, family, future, development and environment. With NIL that is all out the window. Does anyone believe that most of the 2019 team would have been playing for us if NIL was available, NO. Trevor, Deshaun, Wilkins, etc would have been out of our reach. The "sell" was good while it lasted but with NIL it's over. Between family and friends whispering in these recruits ears, the top players are going to chase dollars. Why not, there is no guarantee you get to the NFL. When Brent V and Scott left so did our team. Dabo was the conductor, but he didn't play the music, they did. It's not going to be easy to win if you don't have deep pockets. We are coming to the end of the Brent V recruiting classes and we are no longer attracting the 5 star defensive tackles or ends we use to. There is a major talent gap that is growing wider. We will be a good team but as time goes on the "Big Game" wins will stop happening. Miami's success can be explained by excellent recruitment and great use of the portal. They don't care about culture it's SHOW ME THE MONEY. We had 2 weeks to prepare for that disgrace on Saturday. Knowing a loss kills the season, we looked like we were sleep walking. Coaching and players failed at every phase of the game. Top recruits got to witness the beat down. I feel like we are heading back to wandering aimlessly in the dessert of no success for another 30 years. The run was certainly great while it lasted!
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Orange Phenom [14840]
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Re: CAN WE SURVIVE IN THIS NIL ERA
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Nov 4, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Don't think so. Don't think we have the revenue streams (tv money) or the prerequisite, numerous ultra-loaded boosters. Starting not to care. Can't stand what the product has become.
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Varsity [104]
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Not so.
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Nov 4, 2024, 2:35 PM
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Clemson is #17 out of 131 teams in NIL.
The issue isn't how much. It's that Dabo resists paying it up front to get elite take t.
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Orange Blooded [2530]
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Re: Not so.
Nov 5, 2024, 9:15 AM
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So I guess the current players are all making a mint.
Any idea on how it is divied up?
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Varsity [104]
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Not so, again.
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Nov 5, 2024, 11:10 AM
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The issue is that Dabo won't use NIL as a recruiting tool, and he won't use it for transfers at all.
He uses it for "retention".
That's not working for the Tigers, either.
We lost 14 FB transfers after the Gator Bowl.
Now we lost several commits right before the Louisville game.
Regardless if the details, whatever Dabo's doing, it's not working at the salary he's getting.
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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What do you mean, there?
Nov 5, 2024, 10:28 AM
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This is what I was asking about on the other thread ("NIL Question"). When we say "Dabo resists paying it," what exactly do we mean?
To be clear, I'm not implying that you're making a claim of a specific legal/contractual relationship between Dabo/Staff/School on one end, and the player on the other. I understand you don't mean it that way. But if the paradigm is that kids work with some NIL collective rep to siphon various opportunities to them, then in what way are coaches doing anything other than putting the players in touch with various reps and liaisons, and consequently, not really paying nor resisting?
My understanding here (maybe incorrect?) is that these coaches have no such ability to make (accurate) promises or negotiate in earnest, and that is why their promises often constitute biting off more than they can chew, resulting in various kerfuffles like we saw with the QB at UNLV earlier this year, or Florida with that QB last season. Thus, my understanding of Dabo's talk about this is that b/c he doesn't want to make that mis-step, he simpy isn't getting into that with recruits. But does that mean that they aren't still being giving general information about the opportunities via the collective(s) in the event they sign?
Obviously I have no inside baseball or certain knowledge about how these "promises" or "negotiations" go down. I'm not naive about the fact that coaches do often lie, mislead, promise, and generally bite off more than they can chew in order to close the deal. But I don't understand what it means for Dabo can be truly resisting anything in the way of NIL outside of refusing to play that game. But recruits are still made aware of possibilities, right? What am I missing?
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Solid Orange [1307]
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Re: Not so.
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Nov 5, 2024, 10:44 AM
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To say we are 17th means we are not in the top 5 so why do you think we can still be elite when 16 teams can pay more than us. In this list where is SMU their donors paid the tv rights for years. Ours can’t do that.
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Varsity [104]
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Doesn't matter.
Nov 5, 2024, 11:17 AM
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We have the money to compete.
"Elite" isn't restricted to 5 teams.
Oregon and Miami are the only Top 5 team without a loss. Florida, Florida State, and Oklahoma are ahead of us in NIL. That doesn't translate to "elite" for them or anything like it.
Texas A&M is in the top 5 of NIL and they have two losses just like us.
Again, the problem isn't that we don't have the money, it his it isn't used.
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Orange Blooded [2277]
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Re: Doesn't matter.
Nov 5, 2024, 3:29 PM
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Yeah Miami may be top 5, but you and I both have NO idea how much money Miami spent just to even get Cam Ward. So stop. Clemson is not paying any one player to come in and take over when you got kids that have been here for however long. That type of business goes against everything Dabo has said. But let's start paying onesie players and see how long before we are back in those 7-5 seasons again. 17th is a long way from top 5 and you got schools that are back from the dead. SMU is going to be a freaking problem again. That football program was shutdown before when it was illegal. Those Dallas area guys got MONEY to spend. Been a long time since they've had a program and this is going to get worse before it ever gets better.
I was speaking to a friend about this, this weekend, and what was said makes sense. They are going to let this go crazy before they reel it in. Just to show you how bad it can be. Can we weather the storm that is about to happen or will this kill our football program.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Not so.
Nov 5, 2024, 3:36 PM
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So what do you do about the 16 schools ahead of us? Because those are the ones you have to worry about.
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All-Pro [710]
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Re: CAN WE SURVIVE IN THIS NIL ERA
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Nov 4, 2024, 2:03 PM
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No. move on with your life.
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Game Changer [1787]
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Re: CAN WE SURVIVE IN THIS NIL ERA
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Nov 4, 2024, 2:09 PM
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Very telling that you mentioned Saban up front. It's not like Alabama doesn't have the money or would they have trouble getting it. And a fan base that is very very used to being on top.
And yet, he said enough was enough.
That should tell you a great deal about the future of college football.
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Varsity [104]
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Nope. It just tells us about the future of coaches
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Nov 4, 2024, 2:37 PM
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they can't or on't adapt.
Dabo, Mack Brown, and Chip Kelly are the poster boys for that.
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Game Changer [1787]
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Re: Nope. It just tells us about the future of coaches
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Nov 4, 2024, 2:53 PM
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At least Nick had a follow up gig, huh.
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Varsity [104]
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The future of coaches?
Nov 5, 2024, 10:39 AM
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Every team has them. They will always have them. The future is that the ones that can't adapt will be replaced by those that can.
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Solid Orange [1307]
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Re: CAN WE SURVIVE IN THIS NIL ERA
Nov 5, 2024, 10:45 AM
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Bama doesn’t have boosters to compete with the big boys either. Did you mot notice their drop off.
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Varsity [104]
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Rival Killer [2745]
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The University? I'm going to say yes***
Nov 4, 2024, 2:09 PM
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National Champion [8042]
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NIL is not the problem
Nov 4, 2024, 2:09 PM
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but also blame the new things for issues because that how i reason
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Solid Orange [1378]
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Re: NIL is not the problem
Nov 4, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Everyone else unthinkingly does it and there is comfort in a group-think.
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Recruit [-100]
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Steps....
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:11 AM
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We're pretty high up on the NIL boards across colleges......the question(s) is this:
Do we spread NIL dollars around to a shlit load of athletes from other sports that bring in ZERO revenue? YES.
Do we lead with NIL for top-recruits that only care about money or allow it to sway their decision? NO.
Do we follow a coach who fosters faux-moral-standards over the progression of his program? YES.
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Orange Phenom [14617]
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It's also safe to say that fancy facilities and slides are no longer
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:26 AM
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going to persuade recruits to sign on.
Dabo's biggest strengths as HC were always his recruiting and implementing his program vision. I'm afraid that NIL is greatly diminishing his capabilities in both of those areas. The #1 factor now for most recruits is simply going to be money, so putting in a competitive NIL offer is now the starting point in recruiting before anything else really comes into play.
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Varsity [104]
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With no NIL, Saban could win by paying under the table
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Nov 5, 2024, 10:36 AM
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With it, everyone can pay in the open and it cost Bama their competitive advantage.
Saban didn't want to preside over the Bama program decline so he retired.
Saban never lost to Vandy.
DeBoer lost to Vandy his first time out when Bama was #1.
Yes, the portal and NIL can level the playing field.
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Legend [6673]
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Re: CAN WE SURVIVE IN THIS NIL ERA
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Nov 5, 2024, 11:17 AM
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I think we are seeing live results. No matter what we’re doing, it’s clearly not working if the goal is to win games.
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Ultimate Tiger [33789]
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Yes.. Clemson will survive.***
Nov 5, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Top TigerNet [30061]
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I think the better question is...
Nov 5, 2024, 3:39 PM
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.... how quickly will we transition from this unstable, unsustainable system we have now and move to a different, stable and sustainable system?
College football, not just Clemson, cannot survive long term in the current system.
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