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I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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this season.
The problems on defense are holistic and fundamental. There are not one or two things to point to. It's totally bad all over the place for multiple reasons.
The problems on offense largely stem from bad WR's.
Pressure, lack of downfield throws, screens being called.... all of it stems from bad WRs.
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Include Austin in that group!***
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I don't think the OL is the problem. They are under too much
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Sep 5, 2023, 4:54 PM
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pressure thanks to the defense being able to ignore a WR threat.
They opened holes against bigger numbers. We moved the ball down the field. Cade doesn't have a good pocket presence to avoid sacks.
We made more pressure on them with less results because their QB makes way better choices with his feet.
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Re: I don't think the OL is the problem. They are under too much
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Your takes are always so bad.
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I have no idea who you are. If I hurt you I'm sorry. :)***
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I saw Parks being throw all over the place by Duke
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Sep 5, 2023, 8:16 PM
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How is this not Austin's fault? Still I know what you mean. I am not ready to throw Austin under the bus because it seems as though he recruits well.
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Re: I saw Parks being throw all over the place by Duke
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I agree with him its not a technique issue with the OL. Seriously the OL has always historically been weak, this is a S&C issue. Austin has these guys playing hard and mostly with good technique, they just arent getting strong enough while here at Clemson. Unless they(all football players) came in fast or strong as an ox they leave with minimal gains in strength and speed.
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They are great at straining through one rep squats though.***
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Re: I don't think the OL is the problem. They are under too much
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I mean… yes… but Cade and Mafah are responsible for dropping the ball.
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Click the link not the video for the timestamp.***
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Re: Watch the Mafah fumble. The tackle was throwing the guy
Sep 10, 2023, 4:38 PM
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and it just so happened to be where Mafah was due to the way the handoff developed. The DL was basically gap diving (had a great jump) and won inside leverage until the tackle literally threw him back on the outside.... right where Mafah was. https://youtu.be/00oVrRN9cs0?t=1179
That’s a generous assessment of our LT. He was totally passive. Had he simply actively pinched him to the inside, he would have taken the lineman out of the play and it would’ve been a one on one with Mafah versus the linebacker. No fumble.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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Sep 5, 2023, 4:54 PM
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Yeah it has to happen. Defense only getting worse game by game. Fundamentals are regressing. He was covered by offensive ineptitude last year but the spotlight on him too now.
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one can hope that......coupled with a change in.......
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talent acquisition philosophy by Dabo.
I don't think just plugging in a new WR/recruiting coordinator is going to magically change our fortunes..........utilizing all resources to acquire talent is key.
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I agree that even the best WR coach can't fix a lack of
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talent. But I am not confident Dabo will embrace the portal. If he relies on development, then he will have to see that no development is taking place at that position.
We obviously need better WRs immediately. But I don't feel confident predicting what will happen there. But Grisham and Goodwin are confirmed failures in my opinion.
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Re: I agree that even the best WR coach can't fix a lack of
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Austin needs to go as well
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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Hope you’re right but it’s gonna be a long season….
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TCU was more screen heavy than Clemson in 2022.
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I doubt they're going away.
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But they threw it downfield more too. I don't hate screens.
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I just hate if that is all we are capable of.
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Exactly***
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Re: Good, I'm glad you don't hate screens.***
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I hate screens, they block my views...
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Re: Good, I'm glad you don't hate screens.***
Sep 5, 2023, 5:13 PM
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For those of us who have been touched by the "bad screen man" at Clemson since Rob Spence, and perfected by Tony the Tiger...
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At least his screens worked against Duke. lol***
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Re: At least his screens worked against Duke. lol***
Sep 10, 2023, 3:17 PM
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Bazinga! That still hurts
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Its like this....
Sep 5, 2023, 8:22 PM
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..the coaches should be able to recognize that our WRs can't execute a screen or a pass out to the perimeter to our WRs. This way we don't repeat the same mistake 100,000 times a year with the same bad result.
But you know this.
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Because no deep game opens up screens for us.
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And we can't throw it deep because our QB and WR's are not collectively capable of executing one.
And that is recruiting and development.
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Re: Because no deep game opens up screens for us.
Sep 5, 2023, 5:05 PM
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And I would add our receivers don’t block on screens. Everyone else runs the same stuff and looks thousands of times better.
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It is odd to me how bad our WRs are. It doesn't make sense.
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It's not like we are "missing" on all of them. Coaching has to be relevant here.
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Re: It is odd to me how bad our WRs are. It doesn't make sense.
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Agree. Like so bad that it’s hard to believe they were even recruited out of high school. Night and day from just a couple years ago.
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It seems like the product on the field is worse than the
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recruiting. What I mean is we are landing guys that other good programs are offering. Obviously our WR recruiting isn't what it was back in the glory days (like a few years ago) but our "4-star" WR's execute worse than lots of less recruited guys. It's confusing.
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That is because of poor coaching and development.***
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Seems logical enough.***
Sep 11, 2023, 9:45 PM
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Lots of reasons I'm sure including playing a B12 defensive..
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schedule and a lot of 3-3-5, which has become a thing there.
What it appeared to do last night, was open up the midline run game as the screen game is designed to wear out the middle of the defense by forcing them to pursue to the sidelines.
Clemson gashed Duke in the 3rd likely as a result of it, even Elko admitted Clemson was leaning on his boys.
I don't know what the staff will do, it's their job, maybe they go to stacking again or as DHood suggested get the younger players more involved? What I have learned is Garrett Riley's tendencies from his time at TCU and SMU[built off his time at ECU & App St], he's a 50/50 guy that believes in the run and institutes the screen game in support.
The down field game has some work to do[still not throwing deep into 2 or 3 high], but I only commented on the screen game.
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Sep 5, 2023, 8:12 PM
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the pass will save the season
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Sep 5, 2023, 5:08 PM
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I think it needs ti happen now.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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Jeff Scott should have been brought on as WR coach and Grisham filtered out into an obscure role within the program (not recruiting coordinator, smh) by the time the wheels on the bus made it back this morning. But what do I know I'm an idiot.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
Sep 5, 2023, 5:37 PM
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I doubt Dabo does much. He brought in a new OC but has had to adapt to the "Clemson offense". Any additions will probably have their hands tied as well.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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Goodwin isn’t going anywhere.
Our defense wasn’t the problem last night. There were the usual first game coverage busts (not many, but costly as far as field position and time of possession when they did occur). There were a couple of times when P.Woods did not maintain control of his gap; these occasions led to productive runs by Duke. Finally, the tackling wasn’t anything special … especially disappointing from our LBs.
Had it not been for our deep in the red zone offense SNAFUs, we would have beaten Duke by a comfortable (i.e., 9+) point margin.
Grisham? He can’t coach the WRs to run faster or to not get the yips when accurate passes are theirs for the catching.
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The defense gave up 6.6 yards per rush. That's pathetic.
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The defense looked soft and lost. They tackled like crap. They rarely converged on the ball.
I have no idea how anyone could think that performance was anything but awful.
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Re: The defense gave up 6.6 yards per rush. That's pathetic.
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That’s def one thing I noticed last night, and really last year… it’s like guys are there for the tackle and if it’s missed it’s a 5-10 yard gain east after contact… seems like our better defenses just swarmed to the ball and there were always 3-4 guys around the tackle or ball… doesn’t seem like that now. And the fact we can’t get pressure on a qb with the talent on that dl the last two years is if blowing… even when we bring pressure we don’t seem to get to the qb
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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Goodwin I doubt will be let go unless things really fall off the deep end and become even worse. Grisham should've been let go a while ago though.
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I hope youre right!***
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Re: I hope youre right!***
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I do not understand why no one EVER questions the obvious lack on strength and conditioning of these players! All good with fruity drinks. I would like to see strength and not see a player so gassed after a pick six like in the ACC champion ship game. Something is wrong there. Go Tigers! Get tiger strong.
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We did before the natties. Batson was always getting called
Sep 11, 2023, 9:35 AM
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out.... but then we started dominating Bama on the lines and it went away.
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You obviously dont know football
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Defense has not been the issue. Missed some tackles in game one. You just don’t like the fact that he doesn’t jump around and call attention to himself.
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Completely Stupid Orange***
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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It is not the screens. Every team uses them. It is the execution, so if we can't execute them, the what can we do? Stellato and a couple of others did a good job on several of them yesterday. I'm not a huge fan of them, but I know they can work when executed.
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Sep 10, 2023, 7:14 PM
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You must be totally lost every Saturday when watching football. Our defense is very good. You just have no idea what you’re looking at
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He’s supposed to be the “organizational” coach to help guide Wes through the process. I put as much (or more) on his shoulders for the team not having it together. Blame the play calling on Wes out-right.
Wes also needs to account for is how his LBs are playing with poor technique. But I think the holistic cohesiveness falls on Conn.
Too many projects to count. He’d be a great “keep” if he was the only one whilst coaching LBs and helping with game prep (like before).
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Great point. I foolishly omitted Conn in my analysis.***
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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To me, the best case scenario is Jeff Scott returns to coach WR's and becomes our Portal and Recruiting guy. Then we go out and hire an established D Coordinator. And there are some really good ones out there that should be on our radar. And Conn....sigh. He's another "pal" of Dabo's. Not sure what he brings as co-D coordinator.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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Go for the trifecta and get Austin too.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
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I can see Grisham, but Goodwin isn't going anywhere, as for Austin the jury is still out.
We have to get better at the WR position. Either Wesco and Moore are game changers or we need to get a 4th party talking to some current WR's and get them through the portal, something that I believe Dabo will use this coming off season!
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It's too bad it takes years of underachieving
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for Dabo to realize the poor hires/promotions he's made recently.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
Sep 11, 2023, 1:31 PM
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I would get rid of at lease two to four more coaches.
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after***
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Re: I predict Goodwin and Grisham will be fired/reassigned after
Sep 11, 2023, 9:50 PM
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Real genius here!
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Goodwin not so fast... think he gets another year...Grisham, yes!
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Grisham, gotta go. Same situation as Streeter last year over his head. Great Clemson guys but not getting the results. I hope Jeff scott takes his place.
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