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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
Mar 29, 2024, 9:48 AM
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https://wapo.st/3vsq9jT
I saved the link as a gift, so you should be able to read it, though it's technically behind a paywall.
One thing to remember is that vaccines are put through more rigorous testing/approvals than non-vaccine medicines. This is because vaccines are given to people without any illness, whereas in medicines, we expect and tolerate some side effects.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8511593/
Paragraph between tables 1 & 2.
"The death toll from the COVID-19 vaccine is greater than every vaccine in the last 20 years combined"
Source: https://perma.cc/T8SH-C8LE
There is nothing wrong with being a skeptic of ANYTHING. Do research and make an informed decision.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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From your first link:
Apr 19, 2024, 7:56 AM
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After careful review of the reports, there is no enough evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine contributed to those fatalities [16]. Clinical information such as death certificates, autopsy, and medical records establish no causal link to the COVID-19 vaccines according to the CDC. The death of a person following vaccination does not necessarily mean, the vaccine caused health problems and could be coincidental. Research done by the Paul Ehrlich Institute (the body in charge of vaccines in Germany) stated that patients died of their underlying diseases in a coincidental time with vaccination. This came after 10 COVID-19 vaccination deaths were recorded in the country [17]. Early studies conducted by the Norwegian Medicine Agency on reports of 33 deaths in a nursing home following vaccination of residents’ revealed death occurred close to these terminally ill patients at the time of vaccination [17]. It does not imply a causal relation to the vaccine.
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Athletic Dir [1135]
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Re: From your first link:
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:02 AM
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Your civic duty to post life saving tips on a Clemson board as a GTech fan? Thanks buddy.
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Orange Phenom [14755]
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If you want to take every COVID vaccine that the Big Pharma conjures up then go
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:30 AM
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for it. Pump as much of that MRNA vaccine stuff into your body as you want. I won't ridicule you or even criticize you for doing so. In fact, I hope things work out well for you and that you remain COVID free.
But... if you want to employ Government force, public ridicule, or any other scheme of mandatory COVID vaccination - then you can go fug yourself. What's that slogan the left is so fond of??? Oh yeah - MY BODY, MY CHOICE.
Why can't we just get to a place with COVID where those that want to take the vaccines or don't want to take the vaccines can exercise their decision without ridicule, criticism, or derision?
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Oculus Spirit [43161]
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but remember unvaccinated people are infecting vaccinated people
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:58 AM
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that's the way it works or something like that
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
Apr 21, 2024, 9:12 AM
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Why confront them at all?
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Athletic Dir [1135]
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Apr 22, 2024, 9:49 AM
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That's the Leftist playbook. Indoctrination. Kind of funny that the "free thinkers" are anything but. Think of their logic...by not being vaxxed or wearing a mask, you're harming others. Let me pretend to have virtue while shaming you. "Hydroxychloroquine is dangerous" even though it has been taken daily for months or years for over 65 years by nationals working in 3rd world countries. "Ivermectin is a horse de-wormer" is a preposterous lie from the left. It was created as a treatment for parasites in humans that was later found to be effective for animals.
If the left wants to prohibit you from saying something, it's not because it's false but because it hinders their narrative.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Ivermectin & HCQ are not treatments for Covid....
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Apr 22, 2024, 2:37 PM
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It's been shown over and over in studies. Really, so many times, it makes your head spin.
But you guys won't just give it up, because somewhere some left-winger hurt your feelings about something. You're such little snowflakes...
You trumpet the virtues of HCQ & Ivermectin, which don't help treat Covid, while slamming vaccines that do help against Covid.
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Oculus Spirit [43161]
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Studies show that Covid vaccines are 95% effective
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Apr 22, 2024, 2:39 PM
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if you are vaccinated you won't get or spread the disease. The unvaccinated are selfish and will kill grandma.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Against the original variant, they were 95% effective...
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Apr 22, 2024, 3:10 PM
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The virus mutated, and was able to evade the vaccines and still infect people. But the vaccines still slowed the infections, and still were highly effective against severe infections & death.
Unvaxxed had much higher death rates, much higher severe infections, and still strongly higher infection rates.
I don't know why this still is being debated, when the success of the vaccines is obvious.
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Re: Against the original variant, they were 95% effective...
Apr 25, 2024, 7:44 AM
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Just like your kindred spirit Algore. The debate is over!
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Nope, just battling against dis-information....
Apr 25, 2024, 7:00 PM
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The vaccines were extremely successful. I wish more people in the US took them, because vaccine hesitancy or rejection cost a few hundred thousand lives.
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Oculus Spirit [43161]
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yeah we agree how awesome the vaccine was
Apr 25, 2024, 8:34 PM
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see the thing about covid is that it's really heavy and gets trapped in spittle. If you are 6 feet from someone you won't contact the disease because it falls to the ground.
Another way to prevent spread is to put up a 2'x3' piece of plexiglass between you and someone else.
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I hope everyone that stated that as fact
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Aug 18, 2024, 12:50 PM
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burns a slow death. Same with the mask people. Special place in heyall for those that made us miss funerals, birthdays, graduations, family get togethers. Fuvvk them all
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Re: Ivermectin & HCQ are not treatments for Covid....
May 9, 2025, 5:56 PM
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My good friend is a Dr who began using Ivermectin very early to treat Covid. He did not lose one patient that took Ivermectin . I had Covid and a 104 fever. He told me to take 30 Ivermectin. Temp was 99 two hours later and never went back up. Coincidence? Maybe. Worst case scenario I killed a bunch of parasites.
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For the love of God will this thread ever go away?***
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Apr 25, 2024, 8:13 AM
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Athletic Dir [1135]
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Re: For the love of God will this thread ever go away?***
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Apr 26, 2024, 7:15 AM
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Another thing about Covid is that it's really dumb. You can walk to your table in a restaurant with your mask on, and once you sit down and take the mask off that stooge of a virus can't find you. Another is that it will kill you in a heartbeat in church but you're completely safe at Walmart or a liquor store.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Masks are very helpful to reduce the spread....
Apr 26, 2024, 4:48 PM
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unless only a few % of Americans are wearing them.
In Asia, masking was much more accepted, and they had alot better success weathering the early surges until the vaccines came out.
In the US, masks became a faux "freedom" issue for the same morons who think "ElEcsHun WUZ sTolin" in 2020. And it basically destroyed any attempts to weather the storm early and during the ramp-up of the vaccines.
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Re: Masks are very helpful to reduce the spread....
May 9, 2025, 5:58 PM
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Fauchi said don't wear masks. Masks don't work. Then he said wear masks, they work. I chose to believe his first statement.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
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Jun 21, 2024, 8:49 PM
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I am a skeptic of the govt period. When they said the Covid vaccine was "completely safe", my Bravo Sierra meter went off immediately. No vaccine is, nor has ever been "completely safe".
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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If I recall....
Jun 23, 2024, 8:07 PM
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The CDC said the vaccines were safe and effective. It seems they've been proven to be correct. The vaccines have saved millions of lives, have prevented millions of cases of severe covid, and also seem to have protected against long covid. Also, the side effects are things that work themselves out quickly, such as allergic reactions, myocarditis, etc. There is no vaccine that has been shown to have absolutely no side effects. But this vaccine does seem very safe, based on the numbers.
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Re: If I recall....
Jul 22, 2024, 6:23 AM
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I just think it’s time to move on because the debate just needs to end. My family and I chose no vaccine. Many people chose to get the shots. Choices have been made. Move on.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Well, there isn't a "debate" at this point....
Jul 28, 2024, 9:11 AM
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We know the vaccines were safe and effective. The numbers have proven it out. The "debate", if there ever was one, is over.
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Paw Warrior [5016]
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Re: Well, there isn't a "debate" at this point....
Aug 3, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Actually the debate has cooled but the question of should I or should I not take the vaccine goes on for some. The question has long been settled for me and my family in that the vaccine is not for us. If the “debate” is settled for others in that they should take every shot offered then good for them and so be it. That’s what I mean by move on.
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Re: Well, there isn't a "debate" at this point....
Aug 18, 2024, 12:46 PM
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A family member had someone move in to live with her and she belatedly discovered her new roomie hadn't been vaccinated and now she's afraid to be in the same room with her. These people are healthy and in their early 20s. Of course this family member is a big Dem. Wonder how long it'll take, if ever, before they get over their media induced paranoia.
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Paw Warrior [5016]
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Re: Well, there isn't a "debate" at this point....
Aug 18, 2024, 1:58 PM
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That’s truly mental illness. Sad to see someone live with that kind of fear.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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There isn't a debate in the medical community...
Nov 16, 2024, 9:40 AM
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You would have been better protected against mortality risk and severe morbidity risk by getting a covid shot series. That's a known thing at this point, and not controversial except for deep in the fever swamp of MAGA-world.
But I don't see anyone breaking into your house to force you to get a shot either. You don't have to get one if you dont' want to. From a broader societal standpoint, we have moved on.
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Paw Warrior [5016]
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Re: There isn't a debate in the medical community...
Dec 14, 2024, 6:57 AM
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Society has moved on except for a minority still telling us we “would have been better off taking the shots” even though we are just fine now. Some just won’t give it up. Maybe they never will.
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U still believe the CDC?????
Clown World must be a fun place
Again, please confirm u are “up to date”
Bio weapons rolled out December of 2020, second shot within a month. U should be up near dounke figures now
Are u?
If not you are “ vax hesitant”
And of course you are NOT, because if u r a real person and not a DOD/FDA bot, u would likely have “died suddenly” by now or have too many concerns to be posting such proven nonsense
Do u also believe the Fauci/FDA/CDC position that injections were somehow better than “natural immunity?’”
If not, why not?
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Really? I doubt u have any real knowledge of the vaccine industry. (So “safe and effective” we require immunity from liability)
Please confirm u have had all 8 shots to be “up to date” ( tho I admittedly may have lost count since so few would cleanly survive so many)
Otherwise, u too are “vax-hesitant”
Everyone else, please access ICAN network to review the great work done by Aaaron Siri to show FDA has very LITTLE to support ANY real efficacy or SAFETY w regard to any “vaccine” (not a one of the 70 plus on childhood schedule has been truly subjected to double-blind placebo study) Garbage!
And just so we are clear, no one who refused that bio weapon has ANY regrets.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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I've had the primary series of covid shots, and the boosters....
Dec 22, 2024, 7:17 AM
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You're an obvious anti-vaxx kook, since you're referencing an anti-vaxx lawyer who works for RFK, Jr.
The goal of people like Siri, RFK Jr (and apparently you) is to not just denigrate the Covid vaccine - which as you know saved millions of lives - but to cast doubt on ALL vaccines by spreading lies. This will result in an explosion of diseases that were previously thought to be eradicated, because more people will not vaccinate their kids, and we'll lose herd immunity.
To others on this board, make sure to read up on RFK Jr's pernicious lies & insinuations/conspiracies on a number of topics, including vaccines.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/scicheck-factchecking-robert-f-kennedy-jr/
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
Dec 20, 2024, 8:35 PM
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Really? I doubt u have any real knowledge of the vaccine industry. (So “safe and effective” we require immunity from liability)
Please confirm u have had all 8 shots to be “up to date” ( tho I admittedly may have lost count since so few would cleanly survive so many)
Otherwise, u too are “vax-hesitant”
Everyone else, please access ICAN network to review the great work done by Aaaron Siri to show FDA has very LITTLE to support ANY real efficacy or SAFETY w regard to any “vaccine” (not a one of the 70 plus on childhood schedule has been truly subjected to double-blind placebo study) Garbage!
And just so we are clear, no one who refused that bio weapon has ANY regrets.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
Dec 29, 2024, 8:54 AM
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Of all the things still being debated about the shots there is one absolute truth. You nailed that truth in your very last sentence.
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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Except for the hundreds of thousands of vaccine-refusers who died of covid....
Dec 29, 2024, 1:34 PM
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It's hard to poll dead people, to ascertain their level of regret.
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Re: Except for the hundreds of thousands of vaccine-refusers who died of covid....
Dec 29, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Somehow I knew that was coming. You never disappoint.
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Re: Except for the hundreds of thousands of vaccine-refusers who died of covid....
Dec 30, 2024, 3:53 PM
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I do my best.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
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They are so safe, they are the only drug that the manufacturers have to be shielded from liability.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
May 12, 2025, 7:07 PM
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They are so safe, they are the only drug that the manufacturers have to be shielded from liability.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
May 13, 2025, 5:26 AM
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Now that’s a great point!
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Dynasty Maker [3260]
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....badly in need of context....
May 13, 2025, 9:36 PM
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https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/science-history/vaccine-science/common-questions-about-vaccine-liability
Why are vaccine manufacturers shielded from liability?
A 1982 TV news report entitled Vaccine Roulette suggested that the whole-cell pertussis vaccine was the cause of permanent brain injury. Subsequent studies indicated that while the whole-cell vaccine was associated with febrile seizures, it was not associated with long-term brain damage. However, those studies took at least 10 years to exonerate the vaccine.
In the meantime, as vaccine manufacturers were flooded with lawsuits, some decided to stop making vaccines rather than face continued legal pressures. Consequently, production dropped, leading to concerns about vaccine supply and subsequent vaccination rates.
By shielding vaccine manufacturers from liability, Congress assured that future generations would be protected from devastating diseases. A common misconception is that this process completely shields vaccine makers. However, a plaintiff may file a civil court claim against vaccine companies after filing a claim in the VICP if they reject the vaccine court's decision.
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Re: ....badly in need of context....
May 13, 2025, 10:24 PM
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a stra ze neca
Is Latin for
a road to death
Mere coincidence.
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Before vaccines, tetanus killed millions...
May 14, 2025, 11:01 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/global-tetanus-vaccination/impact/index.html
In the 1980s, before widespread use of tetanus vaccine, tetanus caused over 1 million deaths each year, mostly in infants. Vaccines have brought the number of tetanus deaths down dramatically.
Despite the success of vaccination, an estimated 14,000 infants still died of neonatal tetanus in 2019.1 These deaths occurred mainly in countries with low tetanus vaccination rates.
I know we're supposed to question all vaccines now, even ones that have a long history of proven safe and effective use....because MAGA commands it. But geez, guys....
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Re: Before vaccines, tetanus killed millions...
May 15, 2025, 8:54 PM
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I took a DPT jab a couple weeks ago. Doesn't mean I need the 5 million other shots the drug industry now pushing.
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Re: Good article on how to confront vaccine-skeptics....
May 15, 2025, 8:55 PM
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But they refuse to double blind test them.......
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