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Head Coach [927]
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Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 8:43 AM
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On the topic of alcohol sales, “family atmosphere” etc it is importantly to note that Clemson is a secular state school, and it has always been a public universities without any kind of religious affiliation.
People act like Clemson is just like Bob Jones or Liberty in terms of culture and that is simply not true. Our legendary football coach is a devoutly religious man and he instills a lot of his faith in his football program but that in no way makes Clemson a religiously affiliated school!
Alcohol has been a part of campus social life for more than 50 years and drinking in some form or fashion already occurs at most every athletic event.
Clemson is not too pure for the world…Clemson is of the world and it is time we join it with alcohol sales at athletic events!
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Jan 25, 2025, 8:49 AM
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We consume alcohol in the parking lot b/4 and after..
Thus no sales in the stadium are needed especially while the blood runneth Orange.
It is secular as you stated but in the secular way to make $..now to pay for players to play ball.
Seems they are getting paid pretty dang good already in other ways and more $ are coming this year..
So why sell & drink beer in the stadium after 80+ years of not needing to.
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Head Coach [927]
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Re: NOPE
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Jan 25, 2025, 8:57 AM
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LBB are you saying in all your years that you have never seen someone with a flask at DV, Little John or DKS?
I’m sure, I’ve been to a lot fewer games than you but I have seen it at almost everyone. People drink in the stadiums, it is just not sold to them….the school might as well get some of that revenue because people are drinking in the stadiums anyway!
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Re: NOPE
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Jan 25, 2025, 9:02 AM
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This is a lame argument. Most people who sneak liquor into the stadium will continue to do so if beer is sold in the stadium. Either because they don’t want to pay high prices for beer or because they prefer liquor. There will be a lot of people like myself who tend to follow rules and don’t drink inside the stadium who will drink beer in the stadium if it is allowed. I really don’t care if they sell beer or not, but some of the arguments put forth here are just nonsensical.
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Tiger Titan [50790]
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We should sell liquor inside the stadium too.***
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Re: We should sell liquor inside the stadium too.***
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Jan 25, 2025, 9:48 AM
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And a Delta 8 kiosk would be nice.
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Paw Master [16645]
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Re: We should sell liquor inside the stadium too.***
Jan 25, 2025, 11:20 AM
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Good one! 🤣
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Re: NOPE
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Jan 25, 2025, 9:36 AM
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Exactly Rhett. Let’s keep it at beer though… liquor would just be stupid.
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Game Changer [2027]
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Re: NOPE
Jan 26, 2025, 12:53 AM
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Some schools sell liquor in the club seats. They have bars. Some other schools have it to where if you’re in club or higher, you bring your liquor in before the season starts and then a server unlocks your locker and makes your drinks with it and then puts it back in your locker.
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Re: NOPE
Jan 25, 2025, 9:48 AM
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Right on the money, as usual, Rhett. I don't know that I have any philosophical reason for or against, but rather it seems like we have done OK for the past 100 years or so without it. Some change is good, but I see this as neither a change for the worse or better, so why do it. If anything, I would guess it would be for the worse. Honestly, I don't see it having any effect on those who like to get snockered at football games anyway. If it is strictly for more revenue, then I say find another source.
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110%er [3875]
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Re: NOPE
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Jan 25, 2025, 9:07 AM
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Some people will still smuggle in their own because they don't want to pay stadium prices. The Atlanta stadium has plenty of alcohol options, but my daughter came home from that game with tales of Dawgs who had their beverages in ziploc bags to get past security.
I'll confess to doing the same with M&M's, but that doesn't get too messy if the ziploc fails.
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ziplocs were rampant in the student section when
Jan 25, 2025, 6:12 PM
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I was at Clemson in the 80s
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Orange Phenom [15013]
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Re: ziplocs were rampant in the student section when
Jan 25, 2025, 8:16 PM
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I remember the ziplocs
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Standout [209]
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Re: NOPE
Jan 25, 2025, 11:08 AM
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Because responsible grown Clemson men and woman who pay $$$ for tickets would like to have a beer during the game. Clemson values are not left at DV entry. Give Clemson fans credit and let them show the younger generation how to drink responsibly.
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110%er [3699]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 8:55 AM
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Nice speech.
Alcohol is stupid even if you aren’t religious.
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Game Changer [2027]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 26, 2025, 12:54 AM
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How so?
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Game Changer [1649]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Certainly seems like the intelligent thing to do; especially in light of the fact that we know for certain that the consumption of alcohol kills brain cells and causes cancer. Let's do all we can do to shorten the lives of our fans, and position them to be arrested, or killed, for drunk driving as they leave the games. I mean, hey, we've got plenty more fans. We won't miss the few that the alcohol will kill! (Sarcasm much) You must be a Democrat! It's not a matter of moral conviction. It's a matter of common sense and liability! You bring it, and you consume it, and you get killed; Clemson University has no liability. Clemson University provides it, and doesn't "police it" (and there's no way they can), and Clemson University is liable. Why? Go Tigers!
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Head Coach [927]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 9:22 AM
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Link to these mass causality DUI events at other university stadiums that allow alcohol or a lawsuit over such events bankrupting a university?
I think a sensible alcohol liability policy and not over serving would apply…again
if you think drinking is not happening inside stadiums, I would advise against looking too closely at the student section.
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Standout [209]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Totally agree. I’ve been to most ACC schools for football, drank beer in their stadiums and never saw fan bases getting out of hand. I did see security, just like at Clemson games, so I’m not sure why the naysayers think Clemson will be the exception? I say enhance the experience for the paying customer, respect the fan base (we are not in China or Russia) and make the needed $$$.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 7:54 PM
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I was at the Wake game. Two Clemson fans, one older and the other younger, had too much to drink in the stadium. Both fell in the stands. Traveling to bowl and playoff games, I always see some fans that drank too much in the stadium.
Yes, I know people bring it in, but I'd rather it not be sold. With that said, I think it is only a matter of time before it happens and to me, it is simply revenue based.
I go to watch the football game and not to drink. I sit in a great section. Yes, you can call security, but right now, it isn't something that I think about.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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The newly branded Fascist regime can’t help but politicize and attack every viewpoint other than their own as the opposite party, even when it actually isn’t. It’s like they feel self-righteous about everything and emboldened to act like douches to everyone that doesn’t agree with their personal opinions. This country really is going to ####.
And no, I’m not a Democrat either. But I’ve also done the smart thing and left the Republican Party also. They jumped the shark, not me.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 10:05 AM
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About sums up reality. +1
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Standout [209]
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Jan 25, 2025, 10:43 AM
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Sad but true. The hateful rhetoric and attacks against anyone who has a different opinion will continue to divide us and tear our society apart. I am older and remember a time when we where Americans first and party had little importance.
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Rival Killer [3048]
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Tigerthing59 and others...
Jan 25, 2025, 11:07 AM
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Let me guess:
1. You're 60+, caucasian, male, and support Trump blindly, staying true to your "Boomer" programming from the "Greatest" and/or "Silent" generations. It's a comfortable box you live in, and one that enables you to hide from the truth.
2. You succumb to the "Good Old Days Syndrome", which you interpret as the '50s
Ah, the 50s, a time when...
- White males were in such control that women weren't supposed to work and when they did, they made 40% less than males.
- A time when the Good Old Days Syndrome meant pre-Civil War times, e.g. - Daughters of the Confederacy erecting monuments of Civil War leaders.
- A time when schools, busses, neighborhoods, public facilities, and even water fountains were segregated.
- A time when people of color would get beaten and/or arrested if they tried to venture out of their neighborhood.
- A time when smallpox was still around.
- A time when 33,000+ Americans died in the Korean War.
- A time when East Germany was idolizing communism.
- A time when Russians were pining for Stalin (recently revived by Putin, one of the puppet masters for your leader now).
Time to wake up, people.
~ greene
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Dynasty Maker [3161]
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Re: Tigerthing59 and others...
Jan 25, 2025, 11:18 AM
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That’s ok. Don’t keep it all in. Let it out or you’ll strain something.
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Rival Killer [3048]
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Re: Tigerthing59 and others...
Jan 25, 2025, 11:19 AM
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Seeking the truth has set me free. Sorry about your status.
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Dynasty Maker [3161]
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Re: Tigerthing59 and others...
Jan 25, 2025, 11:27 AM
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You don't know me or my status. I'm good, but thank you for your misplaced concern.
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Rival Killer [3048]
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Re: Tigerthing59 and others...
Jan 25, 2025, 11:28 AM
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Okay, cool. Just trying to help. Based on the snarky comment, I made assumptions.
I'm now 100% convinced those assumptions were wrong.
LOL
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Standout [209]
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Re: Tigerthing59 and others...
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I hear you. All true stuff, except my coming of age years were the early 70s when the future seemed brighter for all. Certainly plenty of inequity, but not the visceral attacks and civil rights being walked back by Republicans. The vicious them and us mentality being broadcast by the President. Very, very different times.
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Game Changer [2027]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 11:14 AM
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This is just self-righteous ignorant BS. Go support Bob Jones where they condemn people for having a drink and male and female students can’t hold hands walking across campus.
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Head Coach [927]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 11:19 AM
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That’s my point! A lot of people are acting like Clemson has this quasi-religious atmosphere akin to BYU or Bob Jones etc and that has never been the case with campus and student life! Not that there is anything wrong with those institutions as private religious schools but that is not nor has it ever been Clemson.
Alcohol has always played a role, and you can have a “family atmosphere” with alcohol!
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Alcohol has been a part of campus social life for more than 100 years***
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102960]
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It also sat in the position of being surrouded by...
Jan 25, 2025, 8:57 PM
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the world's best moonshine during the prohibition era. The very best I ever had came from northen GA, West NC, East TN, East KY and WV.
Of course that's all I ever had because I got too drunk to dive to other regions. Thunder Road, baby!
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 10:06 AM
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I don’t care for beer being sold in the athlete’s venues. What bothers me is that the beer garden will be at (above or beside) the visitors bull pen? Is that true? That’s a recipe for bad sportsmanship on Clemsons behalf. Love our coach and team but put on a platform between the scoreboard and centerfield fence.
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Standout [209]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 10:34 AM
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Speak for yourself. My friends and are responsible drinkers and would enjoy beer at games just like at all pro events and most other ACC schools. I’m not sure if you noticed all the drinking at tailgates and at Esso prior to first pitch. If you are so worried about bad behavior remember security is there for your safety.
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Playmaker [390]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 10:50 AM
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I'm with you!!!sell it
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Game Changer [1959]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 10:08 AM
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I’m generally OK with alcohol sales in the stadium, but what does “family atmosphere” have to do with secular vs religiously affiliated?
All ages attend the games - family atmosphere is guaranteed without regard to any religious aspect.
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Head Coach [927]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 10:27 AM
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Some of the best “family atmospheres” that I have taken my young children to are at local breweries during the day time.
They have nice outdoor play areas for kids and in no way does the atmosphere feel vulgar or seedy.
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Standout [209]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 10:21 AM
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It’s great to see Clemson keeping up with the times and enhance the game day experience for a majority of fans who pay a lot of money but are treated like children. I believe the naysayers have an irrational fear of loosing the “family environment” once beer sales start, but if the family environment exists during the tailgate (with most consuming plenty of alcohol). How does it disappear upon entering the stadium? The naysayers don’t give Clemson fans any credit. I believe the alcohol consumption will be moderated with fans not getting “over served” prior to entering DV or having to run out and slam a few at half time. I’m thinking beer sales will actually minimize drunken behavior and of course make a few million sorely needed dollars on top of trusting beer drinkers to act like the Clemson Men and Women we are.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 12:39 PM
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Can we prohibit beer sales to coot fans? Those fools already act in a disgusting manner, add beer and it only gets worse.
Alcohol rules need to ad a clause no sales to those wearing garnet and/or black.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 10:40 AM
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I can remember back in the '60s when I was an undergrad at CU, we were allowed to have
alcohol in the dorms(tin cans) but you could not drink it there!!?? I had a potluck roomie and
everyone on our hall wanted him gone. After xmas break I brought several bottles of bourbon
to my room. The preacher's son moved out the same day! Some do and some dodo.
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Ring of Honor [21128]
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 12:42 PM
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When I attended Clemson, there was literally a bar in my dorm - Johnstone. You could buy beer at Edgars without leaving the building.
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Dynasty Maker [3459]
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Say Goodbye
Jan 25, 2025, 10:45 AM
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to passouts and hello to $8 beers. I have a beverage from time to time. I do not understand the need to get blasted to enjoy a sporting event. I go to the game to watch the game. I do not go to the game to drink.
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Hall of Famer [8386]
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Re: Say Goodbye
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Jan 25, 2025, 10:47 AM
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Then don’t buy a beer. Simple.
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Because its not about him drinking, its about imposing his views on others....
Jan 25, 2025, 8:29 PM
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..don't tread on me, land of the free, and all that jazz.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102960]
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Not many people get blased at Clemson games.
Jan 25, 2025, 9:02 PM
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I don't expect many more than usual to get 'blasted.'
I'm not defending the beer sales at all. I wish we hadn't made that decision.
Just as sure as Dabo held our team in the top rankings for the last few 'down years,' and weathered the storm brought about by the NIL/portal tragedy, I believe, we can make it just fine without beer sales anywhere on campus.
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Game Changer [2027]
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Re: Say Goodbye
Jan 26, 2025, 12:59 AM
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It will be more like $15 for a 16oz can.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 5:27 PM
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I don't really care if people drink... responsibly, but here is why I'm against selling beer in the stadium.
Back in the late 60's or early 70's, my father, mother, and I (around 10yrs old) attended an Atlanta Braves game. Behind us sat 4 men who began drinking immediately. After several innings and several beers, it was one of the men's turn to get up and go get the beer. When he returned, he proceeded to dump all of the beer over himself and on the three of us in front of him and he thought it was very funny. I admire my dad because it took all he had, but he restrained himself from beating the crap out of that guy. Things like this should not happen to people who come out and pay money to enjoy a game. My father never again attended a Braves game. You might be able to see where I can only see the downside to this situation.
Now I'm sure people will say that the vendors will be responsible and not sell to those who have had too many. A drunk can always find someone to get his drink. I know, I've been there.
That's just my opinion.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
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Jan 25, 2025, 8:30 PM
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The original IPTAY emblem had three sets of letters around its circumference. I only remember two of them. WDWE WDWD. These meant When do we eat and when do we drink. So your idea that drinking has been around only 50 years is ludicrous. I started going down to the Red Carpet and the Study Hall in August 1969.
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If you're going to do it, do it right.
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Jan 25, 2025, 9:06 PM
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Sell 6-packs and bags of ice and save people from unnecessarily navigating the steps and clogging the corridors. Keep them in their seats so they can cheer for our team. Just set the price of a six pack $6 more than six individual cans.
I hate public drinking but I'd probably buy a bag of ice and a 6-pack just to boost revenues.
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Re: If you're going to do it, do it right.
Jan 25, 2025, 10:29 PM
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Maybe they just have people walking up and down the isles selling beer?
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 25, 2025, 10:21 PM
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I disagree. I like a drink as much as the next person. But guess what, it does not need to be sold in the stadium. Do we really want to be more like the poultry? More people not only getting loaded up in the parking lots but also in the stadium? Do we really want to get as obnoxious as the poultry? Do we really want to get long lines to the bathrooms? Has anybody else tried to get to a bathroom on in billybrice only to miss nearly a quarter of play? Let's let it go, and get a drink when we get back to the tailgate, and not be like the jerkfaces.
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Re: Clemson is a Secular State School
Jan 26, 2025, 6:41 AM
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Everything is not related to religion. Clemson has a reputation for treating opposing teams and fans graciously. Just last year, recruits and their families talked about the great atmosphere at DKS. I worry about that changing if people get drunk inside the facilities. Hopefully, there will be a limit on how many beers a person can buy.
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1st Rounder [679]
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Clemson College actually only became a university in the sixties
Jan 26, 2025, 10:42 AM
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I'm old enough to remember that but not old enough to remember if chapel was compulsory. Bet it was.
Just saying, part of the history of Clemson is that we adapt to the times as necessary.
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Orange Elite [5235]
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I'll drink to that.
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Jan 26, 2025, 2:51 PM
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I'm what you'd call one of them fundamentalist evangelical Christian types and even I am thankful Clemson's absolutely nothing like Bob Jones.
Never been to Liberty so can't say I know what it's like.
Also, I don't really see major sporting events like Clemson home games as family-friendly. That's naive.
Latest example: everyone around us yelling "f*ck the cacks!" at the Skerlina game. Suuuuuper classy.
Not really complaining. Can't shield our kids from the world forever. Can't seal them off from the drunks and mopes and the seedy types.
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