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ATTN: Camcgee RE: Alt-Right
Nov 16, 2016, 9:19 PM
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So I read the link you posted earlier about the primer to the Alt Right. I read through it because I hadn't really studied up on this term/group much. They seem like quite a frightening bunch. I'm assuming you're also not a fan of them based on past discussions.
I don't like to throw out the capital N-word, but... do you see similarities? What do you think the establishment GOP is going to do to combat them?
And no, Trump voters, I'm not lumping you all in with the Alt Right people. They seem to be a special breed of people.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9441/actual-conservatives-guide-alt-right-8-things-you-michael-knowles#
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Re: ATTN: Camcgee RE: Alt-Right
Nov 17, 2016, 12:01 AM
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These days Any conservative media is labeled "alt-right". You crybaby libs can't stand anyone who disagrees with your "perfect utopian world view"
Personally I'll take Breitbart over CNN all day every day.
Btw. Participation trophys have destroyed America. But here's yours for backing the wrong horse. ??
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Sorry, I forgot to add a disclaimer here.
Nov 17, 2016, 6:40 AM
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Only intelligent people in this discussion, please. Thanks. Here's a coloring book.
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That really isn't true at all
Nov 17, 2016, 12:33 PM
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The Breitbart people are getting thrown in with the alt-right because Stave Bannon said that Breitbart was the primary outlet for the alt-right. Now, if you actually go look at the articles on Breitbart, they don't really seem to come from the alt-right perspective. So I'm not really sure Bannon knows what the alt-right really is, other than a pawn he's using to present himself and his organization as an important alternative to "Establishment Conservatism." But Breitbart still deserves criticism for trying to whitewash the alt-right and for potentially legitimizing it.
I highly doubt National Review, The Weekly Standard, Fox News, or even The American Conservative are being called "alt-right."
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Re: ATTN: Camcgee RE: Alt-Right
Nov 17, 2016, 5:47 AM
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I think anyone who takes the time to look can find an article to support their hair-brained ideas these days. The alt-right has no place in our governing body and the Trump administration will not have to combat them. We are not at war with them and they do not represent the mass-majority of voters who elected Trump. As a collective whole, however they identify themselves, they can pledge support to whomever they want. I imagine about 150+ years ago they would have aligned themselves with the democratic party.
Also, please recall who the black panthers supported in the last 2 elections. There are extreme groups on both sides of the aisle in this FREE country.
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Yes, but Steve Bannon makes it harder to say that
Nov 17, 2016, 12:47 PM
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People who want to defend Trump should be opposed to the appointment of Bannon. Even though I don't think he's personally racist or anti-Semitic, he's just a poor choice for the administration. And the bigger problem with him is that his stated goal is to tear down the conservative movement. That doesn't seem like who you'd want making strategy for the WH.
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Re: ATTN: Catahoula
Nov 17, 2016, 6:10 AM
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I applaud you for taking time to research the 'Alt right', and also take your post at face value for "meaningful, legitimate discussion and perhaps even compromise".
However, you asking "What the GOP establishment is going to do to combat them" is akin to asking the Democrat establishment what are they going to do to combat the "Trump is not my president rioters and agitators". Both (imo) are disingenuous.
Personally, I think you have to allow people freedom of speech UNTIL it infringes upon others rights, liberties, becomes an unsafe act, or leads to injury, crimes, etc. Unfortunately, as life is not always 'fair' or easy, and there will always be the disenfranchised, the counter cultures, and the 'victims' (at least so they have convinced themselves), and 'we' are going to have to deal with them.
I wish I - or ANYONE - had a solution to offer, but I don't see one. The dynamics and machinations of the human mind are such that defy any universal 'norms', 'explanations', or one solution/approach fits all.
Got off on a tangent there, perhaps, but bottom line: why should GOP be responsible for anyone 'not democrat or left'?
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The reason I bring up the need to combat them...
Nov 17, 2016, 6:39 AM
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Is that it appears they are bent on eliminating other people's freedoms and liberties, and it appears members of their group may start landing key positions in the Trump administration. This is quite different than the random loonies out protesting on the street.
I'm not saying the GOP is responsible for them. I'm saying these people pose a serious threat to them and many other Americans. Since the establishment GOP has the power in Congress now, they're the best suited group to push back.
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Re: The reason I bring up the need to combat them...
Nov 17, 2016, 6:51 AM
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...fair enough.
I mistook your OP as an attempt to juxtapose CA, us other conservative/moderate tnetters and the GOP into authority positions or roles wrt the alt right.
mea culpa
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No, no.
Nov 17, 2016, 7:46 AM
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I mean, I'm sure we have some alt right folks here, but they seem to be more of a fringe group... but a fringe group that may be gaining some real power.
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Maybe he just meant "GOP" as short-hand for conservatives...
Nov 17, 2016, 12:39 PM
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but I do think that the GOP has some responsibility to ideologically combat these people, especially when Trump has plans to hire a guy who's boasted that his website is a home base for the alt-right. Republicans can't just pretend like these people don't exist, and they shouldn't pretend like the alt-right is just the same thing as people like Tea Partiers who opposed GOPers who they didn't think were doing enough to shrink the government.
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I see the "alt-right" as a natural outgrowth of
Nov 17, 2016, 6:42 AM
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dissatisfaction with what they perceive as the do nothing neo-cons and the traitorous RINOs
And like any group of people, they represent a spectrum of ideas and expectations
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^^^^this***
Nov 17, 2016, 6:59 AM
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Yes, but that spectrum ranges from...
Nov 17, 2016, 12:46 PM
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the "biodiversity" types who want to popularize ideas about heredity and politics to straight up neo-Nazis. The problem with the movement is its obsession with race, but the obsession with race is what defines the movement. These are basically European "ultra- right wingers" who most American conservatives wouldn't recognize as being particularly conservative. People shouldn't pretend that this is just another version of the Tea Partiers.
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If you polled Trump voters,
Nov 17, 2016, 7:54 AM
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99.9999999% would have no idea what alt-right is.
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No, not a fan at all
Nov 17, 2016, 12:29 PM
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Whenever I think one of those folks has made some kind of interesting critique of liberalism, they go and ruin it by trying to connect the whole thing to race. I don't really find them scary because they're a small group of internet losers, but the attention they've been getting lately (both from the whitewashed positive perspective of Breitbart and the sometimes politically cynical perspective of much of the rest of the media) threatens to legitimize them.
The centers of traditional conservatism have little time for these people and have already condemned the racist and anti-Semitic stuff they've been saying. I'm not sure many mainstream politicians are even aware of them. So the best thing would be to criticize outlets like Breitbart that are giving them more attention than they deserve, and then to otherwise ignore their white nationalist ideas just as we always have.
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Re: No, not a fan at all
Nov 17, 2016, 1:58 PM
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The centers of traditional conservatism have little time for these people and have already condemned the racist and anti-Semitic stuff they've been saying. I'm not sure many mainstream politicians are even aware of them. So the best thing would be to criticize outlets like Breitbart that are giving them more attention than they deserve, and then to otherwise ignore their white nationalist ideas just as we always have.
I also agree with this issue. Similar to how the media overplayed Trump (and, IMO, contributed to his election), they're giving this alt right contingent way too much attention.
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