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At this rate within the next 3-5 years 20-25 college
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Mar 26, 2023, 8:49 PM
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teams that are willing to pay and are capable of paying will dominate all college sports. EX: Miami BB. Their football is following. NC just paid their starting BB center to come back for a sixth season when he could have been drafted in the first round of NBA. Wonder what it took? Unless a major reversal occurs the sport that we once knew is gone.
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Mar 26, 2023, 8:53 PM
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Re: At this rate within the next 3-5 years 20-25 college
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Mar 26, 2023, 8:56 PM
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You are correct.
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Only 1 of the 4 FF teams is even from a P5 conference
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Mar 26, 2023, 9:51 PM
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and yall are somehow using this year as evidence that CBB is now ruined and unfair. Somehow, despite all of these NIL payments, San Diego St and FAU still managed to make the FF.
Heck, the major CBB programs have been buying players for years. The only thing that has changed here is a couple of seats at the table and the fact that it's not more visible so everyone can't turn a blind eye to it and just pretend it's not happening.
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Major college sports teams are Now Semi-Pro but...
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Mar 26, 2023, 11:02 PM
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lesser paid, overall.
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Re: Only 1 of the 4 FF teams is even from a P5 conference
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Mar 27, 2023, 5:47 AM
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and yall are somehow using this year as evidence that CBB is now ruined and unfair. Somehow, despite all of these NIL payments, San Diego St and FAU still managed to make the FF.
Heck, the major CBB programs have been buying players for years. The only thing that has changed here is a couple of seats at the table and the fact that it's not more visible so everyone can't turn a blind eye to it and just pretend it's not happening.
I would say that the main reasons those two schools have even made it to the Final Four is BECAUSE of “one and done” and NIL. If not for the “one and done” rule and NIL, they wouldn’t have a prayer. I think there are two strong correlations that help explain this to be sound logic. First: since 1985 (when NCAAT expanded to 64 teams), a “1 seed” never lost to a 16 seed (1985-2017, 132 opportunities/0% occurrence) but in the last five NCAA Tournaments (2018-2023 *No Tournament in 2020) that’s happened TWICE (2018-2023, 20 opportunities/10% occurrence). Additionally, the ability of lower seeds to achieve greater levels of depth beyond just the opening rounds of the NCAA Tournament has also seemed to have increased dramatically. Would Duke, realistically, have won only one title (2015) and made only two Final Fours (2015 & 2022) had they been able to retain all those players to their third and fourth year levels of eligibility since 2014-2015?
The second example that strongly supports this correlation is that between 1985 and 2005 (2005 was last Tournament before “one and done” began) only ONE team (LSU #11 seed, 1986) seeded lower than 8 made the Final Four. Between 2006-2023, SEVEN (George Mason #11 seed, 2006, VCU #11 seed, 2011, Wichita State #9 seed, 2013, Syracuse #10 seed, 2016, Loyola-Chicago #11 seed, 2018, UCLA #11 seed, 2021, and Florida-Atlantic #9 seed, 2023) teams have done it. I think that kinda speaks for itself.
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Re: Only 1 of the 4 FF teams is even from a P5 conference
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Mar 27, 2023, 7:42 AM
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There is no "one-and-done" rule. The circumstances that create one-and-done players is not the NCAA's doing and there's little that the NCAA can do about it.
The one-and-done effect is a direct result of the NBA Player's Union and the NBA having collectively bargained to create a minimum age limit in the NBA. This minimum age limit generally causes a one year gap between high-school and the NBA, and has the side effect of encouraging kids to fill that gap by accepting a college scholarship and playing for some school.
The NCAA cannot force a kid to not drop out of school to play in the NBA.
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Re: At this rate within the next 3-5 years 20-25 college
Mar 26, 2023, 11:38 PM
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Yes, a part of the college sport as some of us THOUGHT we knew will be gone. But as many have already said, paying players is nothing new. It just now happens to be legal. So, the best players are now being "legally" paid. Does that really change the game? Do we not love watching teams with the best players play each other because we know we are going to see a good played game? The game is still played with the same players. They just happen to now be paid.
There have ALWAYS been schools and programs who have had an advantage in getting the best players. It could have been a tradition of winning. It could have been the best coaches and the best players wanted to play for the best coach. It could have been numerous things that gave schools and teams advantages over other schools and teams. So, the have nots, have always whined about some team having an advantage. We can whine all day long but our disadvantage has always been our program could never attract and keep the best coaches. Until that changes, we can keep on whining about players being bought. If we bought them, we couldn't coach them. And if we couldn't coach them, we couldn't buy them in the first place.
I don't care how much the players are paid in any sport. I can choose to watch or not. Watson is paid a ton of money. Will I quit watching him play because he is paid millions? No. Same for Treavor when he starts making hundreds of millions. Are they paid too much? It's like anything of value. It is only worth what someone is willing to pay. If someone is willing to pay them hundreds of millions, then they are worth it. Same now in college sports. Does our culture place a higher value on entertainment than other things that really benefit us all? Definitely. But as they say, it is what it is.
My oncologist saved my life four years ago. Does he make 50 million a year? Not hardly. Do I think he is worth paying 50 million a year? You better believe it.
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Re: At this rate within the next 3-5 years 20-25 college
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Thanks for finding a silver lining to keeping Brownell. Basketball has always been my favorite sport and March Madness was a holiday. No jabs but honest feelings, since Brownell has been our coach my love for basketball has dwindled. It was the inexplicable losses and the sure to happen disappointments. Keeping Brownell has helped wean me off the sport I love and keeping him for the foreseeable future will allow me not to see how much money and people has destroyed the sport I love.
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