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At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 5, 2023, 9:57 PM
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Even Notre Dame is using the portal. It comes off as just plain stubbornness to prove a point that makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 5, 2023, 10:09 PM
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The way I see it is that the portal is being used by Clemson players but not by Dabo. If a Clemson player enters the portal, then Dabo should use the portal to fill a needed position. Portal for thee but not for me is pretty dumb.
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 5, 2023, 10:28 PM
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It's bigger than that with Dabo. He firmly believes that he knows more: More than Saban, more than Smart, more than Day, Harbaugh, Riley, Smith at Oregon State, Sark, Norvell,####, even Deion. Add that to the fact that he has surrounded himself with inexperienced coaches that are former players who salivate like Pavlov's dog at his every utterance - and you have the classic maniacal despot that can't be challenged. He's wrong, he knows he's wrong but to admit it is to admit weakness.
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This sounds like a few posters on TNET too.
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Sep 5, 2023, 10:29 PM
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Maybe one in the same?
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 6, 2023, 6:14 AM
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Walk on and guys who haven't done squat since they have been here.
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If thats the issue, then we need to recruit better and/or develop better.
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:20 AM
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If we routinely find ourselves stuck with players who aren’t difference makers, that suggests a problem with talent evaluation, a problem with player development, or both.
If Dabo insists on not using the portal, we better be REALLY good at recruiting and REALLY good at developing players.
How’s that working out for us these last few years?
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It should be a mindset of bringing in the best player that helps the team
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Sep 5, 2023, 10:31 PM
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Who cares where they came from? There’s no evidence that this refusing to optimize the portal opportunities is working. The exact opposite actually. I can’t think of even a single program, in all major college sports, that has Dabo’s attitude towards the portal. It’s just bizarre.
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He wants the Clemson team to be
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Sep 5, 2023, 10:44 PM
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composed of Clemson men.
I will stand by this to the end.
All y’all who can’t understand this…
You must not be Clemson men. There’s no way you are.
Jump all the way off the bandwagon already and just go cheer for a stupid NFL team.
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Im ok with that and Im a Clemson man.
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Sep 5, 2023, 10:49 PM
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So can we slash ticket prices and IPTAY level requirements and pay him like the leader of the Clemson man finishing school instead of a championship contending top CFB coach?
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Re: Im ok with that and Im a Clemson man.
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:21 AM
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Nailed it. I could easily live with that as a program standard, but when you combine with the amount of money we are investing in the coaching staff, then it falls apart. Time to pick a lane, pay Dabo less and use that money in places with higher cultural or financial ROI. Or he needs to adapt roster management strategies to be more competitive.
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Can we win that way though? Thats the question!
Sep 5, 2023, 10:50 PM
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You only really need 5-7 hammers at various places to really move the needle at this level.
If Duke and ND can/are doing it? Than what the heck?!?!
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
Sep 5, 2023, 11:10 PM
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The goal seems to be that we will strengthen our high school recruiting by not taking transfers. The issue is that teams can not avoid the down year by getting transfers. Thus, giving them an advantage. It is awful. The transfer rule is just as responsible as the NIL in the downward spiral of college football. I don’t mind the NIL if used the way it was intended. Which we all knew would not be the case. It is not good for the game as a whole. And my goodness the tampering that is going on.
Imagine the NFL with no tampering rules and annual free agency for every player. This is college football. Rules are going to have to be put in place.
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The goal is to strengthen high school recruiting
Sep 6, 2023, 8:50 AM
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The most important aspect of high school recruiting is winning. And winning on the level we have won creates a recruiting juggernaut. But it will be hard to keep winning at that level when strictly following the old rules that everyone else is now free of. I appreciate how Dabo views the commitment, but I think he’s gonna have to find some kind of balanced approach on this.
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The type of guy Dabo wants on our team are rarely found...
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Sep 6, 2023, 5:10 AM
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in the portal. I agree with him. That's not to say there are now or never will be any but as of yet the pickings have been slim.
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Re: The type of guy Dabo wants on our team are rarely found...
Sep 6, 2023, 8:53 AM
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How does anyone truly know that?
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 6, 2023, 5:48 AM
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Funny to think that 'not " using the portal cost us the game at Duke. That was just an unprepared poorly coached team.
GO TIGERS!!!
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Bingo. God awful coaching is getting us beat, not talent***
Sep 6, 2023, 7:37 AM
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
Sep 6, 2023, 7:49 AM
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Funny to think that 'not " using the portal cost us the game at Duke. That was just an unprepared poorly coached team.
GO TIGERS!!!
And what were the reasons for losing to GA, UofSuCk, Notre Dame, Ohio State, LSU?
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We shouldve beaten Duke easily based on our talent level relative to theirs.
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Sep 6, 2023, 10:34 AM
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That’s 100% a coaching issue.
But I do think some portal additions could’ve possibly helped us overcome bad coaching. Those portal additions also seem necessary to get us back to elite status as a program.
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 6, 2023, 7:49 AM
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I agree that we could probably delve into the portal and get rid of some of the space holders on the team, but the problem here is not lack of talent. We have 56 former blue chip (4-5 star) recruits, compared to Duke's TWO. The problem doesn't lie in talent acquisition at all. I fear the main problem lies in the development of said blue chip recruits. Nobody gets better when they come to Clemson anymore. Dabo definitely needs to do some soul searching about portal usage, but I believe that this programs biggest weakness is in the position coaches and developmental staff.
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
Sep 6, 2023, 7:54 AM
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Did anyone of you geniuses ever consider that Dabo's "no portal" rule just MIGHT breed a tad bit of complacency amongst the players? It's like having a unionized government job.
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Thats a pretty out-there take
Sep 6, 2023, 8:26 AM
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There are still back-ups and younger guys poised to take your starting spot if youre not hacking it. If youre suggesting our entire roster is full of lazy, self-absorbed bums....well....yikes.
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Re: Thats a pretty out-there take
Sep 6, 2023, 8:50 AM
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Clemson isn't run like a pro team or even like any other top tier program in the country. Dabo rewards loyalty, to a fault. If you really think 18-22 year olds don't realize this and they don't try to manipulate the process and "find the angles" let's swap stories about college, fraternities and "bankrolled" tests and shared notes and textbooks.
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Re: Thats a pretty out-there take
Sep 6, 2023, 9:18 AM
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Kelly Bryant?
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This reminds me a little of when coach K decided for a while
Sep 6, 2023, 8:09 AM
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that he wasn't going to recruit 1-and-done players anymore. I remember Greg Paulus starting for Duke at PG for a year or two. Those were a couple of the worst Duke teams of my lifetime.
He did eventually win a title when those guys were SRs (Scheyer, Singler), but the preceeding years when he was trying to coach up those guys while at a massive talent disadvantage compared to UNC, Kansas, etc were pretty rough. We whipped them a couple times with Booker and company.
Then in 2011 he abandoned that experiment and brought in Kyrie Irving.
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its too late now... that would've been a conversation over
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:12 AM
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the summer. TCU had an NFL caliber WR looking to transfer when Riley left TCU. IT seemed like if we ever were going to do it then that would have been the best time to pull the trigger. And i thought they were.
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Re: At this point I dont get what Dabo is trying to prove with the portal thing
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:18 AM
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Dabo knows he is untouchable at Clemson. With what he's accomplished, he will be the coach as long as HE wants to be. The guy at F$U doesn't have that status. He is doing whatever it takes to WIN NOW.
Dabo is loyal to a fault to the high school players he has signed. Unless you get in trouble, he won't cut you based on ability. Some of these other coaches have no problem cleaning out the bottom of the roster for a better player.
For Dabo's way to work, the loyalty has to work both ways and it doesn't anymore. With the rule changes, kids can leave now whenever they want, and they have. The other problem is some of the hires Dabo has made like the DC are just weird.
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Whatever point he thinks he's making, he's not
Sep 6, 2023, 8:20 AM
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Hes just proving us all right.
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If as you suggest, Dabo is trying to prove a point
Sep 6, 2023, 8:25 AM
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About the portal, it’s a point he’ll never prove. At least not at the level of success he’s reached in the past. The genie is out, the ncaa allowed college football to become a Wild West of just do whatever you want.
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All In Portal Proposal
Sep 6, 2023, 8:42 AM
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It would work this way:
At the end of EACH SEASON, ALL PLAYERS (including incoming freshmen) on ALL TEAMS are AUTOMATICALLY entered into the portal.
Portal schedules a Portal Draft Day (PDD) in the same manner as NFL Fantasy League.
No teams have “locks” on returning players.
NOW, this LEVELS the playing field for everyone. Hey, the players and fans wanted this, so let’s go “ALL IN” with the portal.
Every season is a team roster rebuilding effort anyway. Think of the SAVINGS in recruiting cost, time, & effort.
A true FREE-FOR-ALL for EVERYONE.
Plus, the PDD would be a MASSIVE ANNUAL MEDIA EVENT that the fans would ABSOLUTELY LOVE.
Think of the success of NFL Fantasy League.
In the spirit of Kaffee (Tom Cruise) in ”A Few Good Men”, this portal proposal just takes us all EXACTLY where we want to be…
Yeah, I know you think I am just being sarcastic here, but seriously, there is some merit worth considering here.
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