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As Much as we would like to build up Wake Forrest being good average is an at best true description.
Sep 26, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Mostly Scrubs with a decent QB and receiver shouldn’t be challenged well into a game. Should be able to easily win off fundamental basic football.
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The big lesson from Wake is stopping a good QB with capable WR’s.
Sep 26, 2022, 4:14 PM
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The team needs to continue work on improving in this area. The secondary was a liability and has been all season. Having starters out magnified this problem. Luckily the offense seems to have come together and pulled out a victory for the Tigers ! A playoff caliber opponent will exploit this all day long ! It’ll be the West Virginia Orange Bowl, Part Two !
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Re: The big lesson from Wake is stopping a good QB with capable WR’s.
Sep 26, 2022, 4:49 PM
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Thanks for the rational sensible reply.
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Re: This is an example of how much DJ has progressed...
Sep 26, 2022, 11:21 PM
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You are right he played a great game made some nice throws he wouldn’t have last year.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:19 PM
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You either don’t understand the word “average” or you’re willfully choosing to misuse the word to ultimately cast aspersions at our football team. Neither seems appropriate for a Clemson fan.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:29 PM
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I think you have Orange colored glasses if you think for one minute they run rampant on Bama or UGA or most any other decent team ? Average is a accurate description maybe they are a top 35 team but not top 25 and it shows our deficiencies more than their abilities.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:44 PM
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So I’m gonna go with you really don’t understand average. There are 131 teams that in NCAA division football. They are nowhere close to average. If if you think their ranking is overblown they still aren’t average. You’re trying to use a word with a specific meaning as a colloquialism aspersion. Again, it doesn’t make sense to mangle language with the only intent being to insult Clemson.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Once again no matter how much you hope they aren’t Wake Forrest isn’t and will never be a college football power. Good Qb coach and receiver average team. I’m gonna go with you don’t know anything about football other than reading metrics and hopes.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:55 PM
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You used the word “average” and you won’t acknowledge that you’re wrong. Then you say some nonsense about not running loose on Alabama. When is that last time anyone ran loose on Alabama. I think it was a CFP championship game by Clemson. That’s a little more than average - which is the standard you choose to use. Wake Forest is ranked in the top 18% of college football teams. That’s not even close to average. If you’re gonna display the intellect of a coot how about go pull for them too.
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Sep 26, 2022, 11:24 PM
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Week 4 Top 18% ? That’s not a powerful football team it’s average I stand by that and don’t have to pull for your team the coots to be realist. You do t make the terms of fandom son or determine intellectual metrics . Lol
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Sep 27, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Week 4 Top 18% ? That’s not a powerful football team it’s average I stand by that and don’t have to pull for your team the coots to be realist. You do t make the terms of fandom son or determine intellectual metrics . Lol
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Sep 27, 2022, 9:13 AM
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“Week 4 Top 18% ? That’s not a powerful football team it’s average”
The statistician in me is hurting very much right now…
To be fair, I get your point. Wake Forest isn’t a world beater class team. But to be technical, they are better than an average team. Average means they are somewhere between the 60-70th best team in CFB. Even the most critical statistical metrics I’ve seen of WF puts them in the 30-40th bracket.
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Sep 27, 2022, 9:22 AM
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Thanks that just the point I was trying to make and I stand by the fact that wasn’t a team that should be that big a struggle. Glad to have won that game but also realistic about not wanting to go back to days when North Carolina basketball schools with 35k fan attendance for football gives us a headache.
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Please learn the difference between verifiable fact
Sep 27, 2022, 9:50 PM
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and coot stupidity. Thanks.
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Re: Please learn the difference between verifiable fact
Sep 27, 2022, 9:55 PM
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Verifying that Wake will finish in an average team bowl game as an average team. Sorry if you are a conference homer and pull for wake or something .
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Top 30 in wins the last 3 years.
Sep 27, 2022, 9:56 PM
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How 'bout your coots, chicken ####?
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Right you also distorted like a liberal news agency what I said . I said week 4 metrics they wouldn’t finish above average as a team. Not saying they are bad just saying they are very average.
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You make ZERO sense.
Sep 27, 2022, 9:58 PM
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Kinda like most coots like you, ZEROS.
Lol, you dumb boy!
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Re: You make ZERO sense.
Sep 27, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Hey guess what lady you don’t own the board Karen
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Yep, you dumb.
Sep 27, 2022, 10:01 PM
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Re: Yep, you dumb.
Sep 27, 2022, 10:01 PM
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Ya mama
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How would you judge the 2016 nc state team? Clemson beat them in overtime and they only finished the season 7-6. My point being I don’t care if you’re Bama, Georgia, Clemson, or Duke you’re going to have struggling weeks and great weeks during the season. Is Kent state truly only 17 points worst than Georgia. Hel no they’re a 1-3 small school. And is Georgia trash because they only won by 17 this past weekend? Also wake has one of the top offenses in the country. Their qb, receivers and oline are very talented veterans and we had to defend them with true freshman corners. They found our weakness last week and went after it until we drop our safeties back to help.
With all that said wake has a top offense and an average defense but overall their offense makes them a top team. Look at the 2011 clemson team that won the ACC and 10 games. We had a elite offense but a trash defense but we were still a solid team. Anyways GO TIGERS!!!
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You are just wrong. Hartman is an excellent qb and that was a veteran team we beat. Defensive backs obviously did not play well .
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Sep 27, 2022, 8:47 AM
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Don’t try to explain football to idiots. They know more than Dabo so …..
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I'm going to go with you wouldn't recognize a good football team if they were sitting next to a bread box.
Wake Forest in an excellent team, not because they are loaded with highly recruited star players, but because they redshirt just about all of them and develop them over the years ...... much like all good teams used to do. Basically, we had a bunch of sophomores and juniors playing against five and six year veterans. They do not have great depth, but the are a good football team that will give jusabout anyone trouble.
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You seem really dumb. Are you dumb,
Sep 27, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Coot?
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Re: You seem really dumb. Are you dumb,
Sep 27, 2022, 9:58 PM
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Aww you keyboard bullying that’s cute. I can see you are a very weak person as you instantly go into irrelevant insults.
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It was a question, coot.
Sep 27, 2022, 10:00 PM
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Are you dumb.
No need to answer. I've had dogs with higher IQs than you.
Would Wake beat the snot out your coots? Yes or no?
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Nobody said anything about being a power, you just said they weren't good. There's a difference between being good and being elite. And being good is still better than being average.
This is the worst thing about the playoff era, some people act like if you're not good enough to make the playoff you're a bad team.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:45 PM
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I think you have Orange colored glasses if you think for one minute they run rampant on Bama or UGA or most any other decent team ? Average is a accurate description maybe they are a top 35 team but not top 25 and it shows our deficiencies more than their abilities.
They were top 25 last season with a lot back and are a top 25 team this season. Better than top 35.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:53 PM
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You sincerely think that? Lol
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:57 PM
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He offered you two facts and that’s your burning retort.
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Buck buck awwwk!***
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Oh yeah totally. No way we compare with Texas without their starting QB or that well above average Kent State juggernaut that gave UGA such headaches.
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Sep 26, 2022, 11:17 PM
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Or that Furman team which is irrelevant to the topic that Wake Forrest is a average team 7- 8 wins is an average team to me. That’s an 8 win team if it benefits of a favorable schedule
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I think you have Orange colored glasses if you think for one minute they run rampant on Bama or UGA or most any other decent team ? Average is a accurate description maybe they are a top 35 team but not top 25 and it shows our deficiencies more than their abilities.
You’re an idiot! Probably play a Gibson knockoff.
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Sep 27, 2022, 9:32 PM
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Lol
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Is top 25 better than 80% of college football teams?
Sep 27, 2022, 9:36 PM
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Maff checks.
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Re: Is top 25 better than 80% of college football teams?
Sep 27, 2022, 10:01 PM
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Rankings week 4 ? You gonna ride with Wake being a great team? Lol ok
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Well what the heck are you using as a gauge?
Sep 27, 2022, 11:03 PM
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Wake has averaged 9.7 wins per year the last 3 years. That's good for 29th in the country. There are 131 teams in the FBS. Do you need a calculator? It doesn't matter what a coot thinks Wake is, but find another word. "Average" isn't it. How many different must this board tell you you're wrong?
Please try to be less of an ignoramus, coot.
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I think you have Orange colored glasses if you think for one minute they run rampant on Bama or UGA or most any other decent team ? Average is a accurate description maybe they are a top 35 team but not top 25 and it shows our deficiencies more than their abilities.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:37 PM
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Wake forest would beat Kent State .
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:39 PM
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Liberty?
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Yep wake beat Libery as well . Do you enjoy the chicken dancing in a PVC cage with fire extinguishers going off ?
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:56 PM
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Do you?
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Sep 26, 2022, 5:02 PM
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No , I think it is the most ignorant laughable thing in all of college football . Jealousy run in the family ?
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Yes, they beat Liberty.
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Alabama and Ga are definitely a tier ahead at this point in the season no doubt but there is a long way to go.
Wake would drag USUC up and down the field.
Pull for your team if it’s USUC go get with that irrelevant fan base and if you are truly a Clemson fan then pull for your team instead of starting shizz. You sound like a #####.
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Sep 30, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Alabama not top 15
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I also know below average, GT ,Furman, LA TECH all struggles and that includes one that’s so bad the coach got fired!
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Okay, we see your not a Tiger fan but
Sep 26, 2022, 4:54 PM
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a little bird that needs to fly home or a mangy dawg who needs to be spayed.
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Sep 26, 2022, 5:00 PM
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Lol that’s your best answer I’m just realistic I don’t act unrealistic that’s like the coots. I’m sorry we are winning ugly but winning but I refuse to lie to my self that we need 2 OTs to be beat Wake Forrest and still have playoff aspirations. I understand sunshine pumpers but real is real and rah rah is for the cheer leaders .
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Right. So best game for you by the Tigers in
Sep 26, 2022, 5:05 PM
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Last 5 years and why? It should roll off your tongue if you are a Tiger fan.
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Lol all three of those games were blowouts, try again.
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I don't know- a team that went 17-2 at home
Sep 26, 2022, 4:24 PM
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The last several years, the only team that gained 400 yards on BV's D last year, and a team with a singular goal to beat the "Standard in the ACC." Pretty big win for the Tigers on the road.
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Sam Hartman is not average
Sep 26, 2022, 4:27 PM
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And if you think that, you're nuts. He has 85 career TD passes. He has a good chance of passing Boyd's record of 107. Lost in all this griping about the defense is Wake's talent. Wake is a good team. I know it is difficult for some people to believe, but Wake is good.
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Sep 26, 2022, 4:32 PM
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Read up before reply said Hartman not average but the team is average no matter how good we want to feel about ourselves as a team. Just watch them when they play a decent team they are handled like an average team . Just being honest not trying to knock anybody but being a realist .
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In the end, it really doesn't matter what
Sep 26, 2022, 4:42 PM
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Your competition looks like to you, or me, or others. Weak or Strong. All that matters is winning against all your competition to accomplish goals.
But, I bet WF could do some damage beating some other teams in the SEC besides Vandy.
Go Tigers!!!!
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Re: In the end, it really doesn't matter what
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No probably could only beat the gamecocks , Vandy. Maybe Auburn with this coach lol
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Wake would beat Missouri and uof7c***
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Good thing they already beat Vandy 45-25
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Earlier this year.
Could probably put a mess of points on UGAg like Kent State.
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Agreed. The equivalent of a Cliff Ellis coached basketball
Sep 26, 2022, 4:46 PM
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team. Good once every 4 years, but not elite or highly above average.
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Re: Agreed. The equivalent of a Cliff Ellis coached basketball
Sep 26, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Nice to try and help the coot out but he didn’t say “elite” or “highly above average”, he said “average”.
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under Cliff. That would be a huge step up from where we are now, and have been under Brownell. The talent we had was a notch better than what we have grown accustomed to over the last few years, and that kept things interesting, and made you feel like we had a chance.
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Dude!?!?!?
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Such a negative Nelly post! Dude, Wake is a top 10 or 15 team. They won ACC Atlantic division last year, and almost all of those players are back this year - with another year of experience.
Dude, all us to celebrate a big win. Then, on to NC State game with another top 10 or 15 opponent.
Get a pulse. Otherwise, you look like a coot. You definitely post like one.
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4-0- headed to 5-0,all that matters
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You Chickens have been REDUCED to whining about a close Clemson WIN LOL
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Lol, Wake would dismantle your chickens,
Sep 26, 2022, 5:33 PM
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Late to the party we already said they could beat Vandy and USC not many other good teams.
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Late to the party we already said they could beat Vandy and USC not many other good teams.
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LOL, "we".***
Sep 26, 2022, 5:36 PM
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Tiger Titan [50728]
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They are much better than average.
Sep 26, 2022, 5:37 PM
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Come on.
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Re: They are much better than average.
Sep 26, 2022, 11:26 PM
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Wakes a playoff or Top 10 team? Or just a Top 50 college team be a realist.
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Tiger Titan [50728]
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They are easily a top 25 team, possibly top 15.
Sep 27, 2022, 9:54 PM
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Average would be around 65th, so they are much better than average.
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you
Sep 26, 2022, 6:29 PM
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avoid Kent State
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Oculus Spirit [40329]
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Speak for yourself Koooot***
Sep 26, 2022, 11:17 PM
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Hall of Famer [8934]
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Fool
Sep 26, 2022, 11:44 PM
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You are a FOOL. Mostly scrubs? Nope.
And you are clearly not much of a Clemson fan
Most idiotic post of the year.
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Re: Fool
Sep 26, 2022, 11:50 PM
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Why am I not a fan when I don’t pull for an average team that should have been put away early and easy with a good football team. I don’t see anybody wanting a Roster swap with Wake outside of QB1 and WR1. But It makes everyone feel good for letting them take it to 2 OTs then so be it. It was an improvement to win that for sure but Wakes not a team we should be giving props to as a great team. They aren’t . I will revisit this post in early December when they have lost 3-4 games
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All-TigerNet [6089]
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Re: Fool
Sep 27, 2022, 12:58 AM
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I can see Wake losing 2 or 3 games because of their lack of athleticism on defense.
Great thing about all the arguments on here is we’ll find out this week about the Tigers . NCSU is a team in which beat us last year and if the offense is fixed and the defense performance the first 4 games isn’t a sign of issues in which have arisen since last year for some reason, we’ll know Saturday!
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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Didn't your coots almost lose to Charlotte?***
Sep 27, 2022, 12:56 AM
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Re: Didn't your coots almost lose to Charlotte?***
Sep 27, 2022, 7:51 AM
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Not a coot but my tigers almost lost to an average team. And that’s factual. Revisit this post at years in when wakes in the Mayo bowl .
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Freshman [-74]
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Shut up, coot***
Sep 27, 2022, 9:40 PM
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Re: Shut up, coot***
Sep 27, 2022, 9:46 PM
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Watch your mouth lady! I don’t come down to the docks talking to you that way. You are not in control here mam
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Freshman [-74]
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Is that all you can come up with?
Sep 27, 2022, 9:54 PM
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Both the IQ and wit of an idiotic coot = coot.
Wake would demolish your pathetic coots, coot. If Wake is "average" while being a top 25 team, where would that place your coots? How does complete trash sound?
Coots suck balls. Agreed?
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Re: Is that all you can come up with?
Sep 27, 2022, 10:05 PM
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Lol You so Silly . But get on another lady who’s never played football a day in her life and can’t come up with witty relevant stuff thread. You don’t control any narratives
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Freshman [-74]
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Soooo
Sep 27, 2022, 11:12 PM
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Would Wake demolish the coots, yes or no?
There is no "narrative" to control here, coot.
9.7 wins a year for the last 3 years and currently ranked in the top 25 following a year where they also finished top 25.
It's obvious you don't understand what "average" means, and Wake ain't it. To that point, neither are your coots. Weak, laughingstock, putrid.. these are words that describe the coots.
Wake would destroy the coots, correct? You keep running from this question.
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1st Rounder [607]
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Wake is a quality team
Sep 27, 2022, 8:26 PM
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NC State has nothing like the quality players that Wake has.... even at QB
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Recruit [83]
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Re: Wake is a quality team
Sep 27, 2022, 9:39 PM
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I certainly hope you are right, but like Wake they have 2 or 3 good players and we need to make a statement on them similar to how we played Wake last year. The whole football world media included is dying to vote Clemson out of things and dying to vote U Southern Cal etc in the playoffs. Season is underway well enough to be hitting on all cylinders .
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Freshman [-74]
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They'd beat the pi$$ out of the coots though
Sep 27, 2022, 9:35 PM
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Agreed?
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Recruit [83]
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Re: They'd beat the pi$$ out of the coots though
Sep 27, 2022, 9:51 PM
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Are you on the right thred ? Gamecocks aren’t relevant to any of this . Not even a real rival anymore for you to be so fascinated with. Georgia - Bama - Ohio State - winning teams have taken over that. Who gives a crap about a #### 6 win team outside of your same old stupid coot reply, actually remind me of that fan base with irrational crap.
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Freshman [-74]
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Lol, you keep running from it...
Sep 27, 2022, 11:16 PM
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Of course UofSC is "relevant" in this discussion, because you love you aome cox.
Wake would destroy the coots.. yes or no? Just answer the question instead of trying to deflect.
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Orange Blooded [2188]
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Re: Clueless wonder
Oct 2, 2022, 9:19 AM
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I am late to the party, but this Tiger Guitar boy is as dumb as a pile of rocks.
I wonder if this little boy has even followed the game of football and especially this season. Georgia and Bama have looked really below par and especially the Bulldogs the past couple of weeks. Wake has an average defense, but their offense is really good and way above average. Hartman is like those BYU guys and about 28 years old and been there forever and they have outstanding receivers with a really good OL.
If guitar boy was a scout he’d be employed by the NY Jets or completely out of work because he reads as a complete and absolute moron. With 131 d1 teams average would be 60s or 70s and Wake is definitely a top 15 team, ya clueless wonder.
I hate people that claim to know something about football and act like this. He’s not a coot, just another idiot giving his team’s fan base a black eye for being a spoiled titty baby
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