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Top TigerNet [31803]
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As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:31 PM
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https://youtu.be/dt0WKVeh_BI
And it had to come from a LSU Fan..
Another fan from another school that is jealous of CDS and Clemson's success..
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Top TigerNet [31803]
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Another note..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:34 PM
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I think African American coaches get plenty of chances on ALL levels of Football HS/NCAA/NFL...
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Paw Warrior [4830]
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Re: Another note..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:42 PM
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And Dabo's staff is well diversified...
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Paw Master [17831]
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Re: Another note..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:56 PM
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The Black opportunists groups will always find something to complain about. Same goes for white opportunists and other races who have special interest groups. Neither one of these minority groups will ever be satisfied. They will want more and more and more.
The majority of Blacks, Whites, Mexican, Asian as well as other ethnic groups IMO get along fine and there is little racism. But hate groups on both sides have complained about this or that to keep trouble stirred up between the majority that say live and let live.
If you look at college football there have been many Black HC’s. Look what Kevin Sumlin was given at Texas A&M, Herman Edwards at one of the big Az schools. There are Many Black HC’s in College Sports, the NFL, MLB and the NBA. There are a lot of Black QB’s, mostly Black RB’a and WR’s in all levels of football so what in the He$$ is this guy whining about.
IMO to some it will never be enough! Use you leverage to show athletes we don’t want politics in sports! Don’t watch the games until they get the message.
I meant to include that Dabo regardless of color his earned everything he receives. He makes money for Clemson therefore covering his salary. His assistant coaches do the same.
Message was edited by: wueagle86®
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Hall of Famer [9002]
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Time for white people to demand more inclusiveness on the field
Dec 18, 2020, 4:48 PM
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Funny, no one likes it when you play the other side of the coin.
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All-In [34487]
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White people aren't as good as black people at football
Dec 18, 2020, 7:51 PM
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That's a fact. Sorry if it hurts your ego. It is what it is. Look at the rosters of the best teams in America and refute me.
Full disclosure: I'm white.
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Clemson Conqueror [11396]
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That's not necessarily true! The vast majority of black kids
Dec 18, 2020, 8:15 PM
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play football or basketball, while many of the white kids are playing baseball, lacrosse, soccer, golf, tennis, ice hockey, to name of few. So, the white kids are spread out over many different sports, more so than the black kids. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just the way it is, and the reason football and basketball are largely dominated by blacks.
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All-In [34487]
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Lol, black people are better athletes than white people.
Dec 18, 2020, 8:18 PM
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I don't know how much evidence you need, but it should be pretty apparent.
I do appreciate your perspective on the topic.
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Orange Blooded [2270]
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Re: White people aren't as good as black people at football
Dec 19, 2020, 10:45 AM
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When were you born? Take a look at the 1972 Miami Dolphins. They are the only team to go undefeated and win the super bowl.
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All-In [34487]
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Aren't you the one always screaming BLOODY MURDER
Dec 18, 2020, 7:50 PM
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about politics on the football forum?
Yet here you are. Offering your predictable soliloquy on the topic.
When someone disagrees with you, you'll be the first to complain and act like the victim.
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: Another note..
Dec 18, 2020, 5:16 PM
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GSC,
I am not going to disagree with you. I have not enough knowledge of those situations to make any meaningful statement.
But I DO think it would be worth investigating. I think that there may be a number of deserving black coaches that have been passed over, at least in part over racial prejudices that still live on in our country. I think it is probably worse in the NFL than in college and I think it is worse at some schools than others. But I do not find it far-fetched that such barriers might exist.
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Top TigerNet [31803]
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Toby... Thanks for your input!!!***
Dec 18, 2020, 6:13 PM
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Scout Team [154]
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: Another note..
Dec 18, 2020, 10:46 PM
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Terrier,
I agree with your post, but I have a question. What is the difference between an unconscious bias and institutional racism ?
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Scout Team [154]
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Re: Another note..
Dec 19, 2020, 9:37 AM
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Tobias, I'm no expert but I see unconscious bias as unintentional whereas institutional racism is intentional. However, I think one could argue unconscious bias and institutional racism are not mutually exclusive.
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Paw Master [16603]
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Here’s the issue with this logic...
Dec 19, 2020, 10:23 AM
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And by “this logic” I mean “here’s an example of how black coaches face a form of bias”...
I didn’t read the article so I am welcome to correction but on the surface it seems to imply that this black coach was deserving of a head coaching job and was passed by because of his race. But do you not think you can come up with hundreds of examples of highly qualified white coaches who never got the opportunity they “deserved”?
Hiring a head coach is more than just a checking of experience boxes. That’s probably why Bud Foster never got a head coaching job.
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:45 PM
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He made the absolute most of the opportunity given to him. He could've tanked during the few games he was interim coach, but he made it work.
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Varsity [114]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:45 PM
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He made the absolute most of the opportunity given to him. He could've tanked during the few games he was interim coach, but he made it work.
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 3:52 PM
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Maybe college football should be cancelled (forever) to avoid oppressing deserving black HC candidates?
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Paw Master [16603]
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Pure ignorance. Why even link it here?
Dec 18, 2020, 4:03 PM
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Lol at the idea that assistant coaches are given head coaching jobs because they are white, or that what happened with Dabo was just because of his color, or the fact that he’s won the conference multiple times in the row, gone to the CFP five times in a row and has two national championships doesn’t negate the idea that they just thought “oh here’s a white guy, let’s let him try”, or that there was universal support for Dabo from the get-go or even for the first few years.
Willful ignorance in an attempt to peddle a false narrative. But I listened to it, so I guess good job to him.
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Orange Beast [6285]
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Re: Pure ignorance. Why even link it here?
Dec 18, 2020, 4:20 PM
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Dabo is a person of color.
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Top TigerNet [30876]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 4:03 PM
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This is a perfect example of racism based on ignorance. You can clearly tell the author here has strong biased opinions against white men in general. His contempt of white men has blinded him in this situation as to WHY Dabo got the job. It had nothing to do with his color and everything to do with his character and the way his players respected him. At that point Coach Bowden had lost the entire locker room. All his players abandoned him. Coach Swinney stepped in mid season and turned the whole team around and it was his performance that got him the job. Not his white priveledge. So because of a lack of knowledge pertaining to WHY coach Swinney got the job the author here reverts to his contempt and blames white priveledge without even trying to understand the specific situation. This attitude and held contempt or hate is mostly learned from a young age by adult figures or authority figures black white brown red yellow or whatever color as children grow up and witness people they respect behaving this way. Until we as a society become better examples to the next generation the cycle of racism will continue.
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Hall of Famer [9063]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 4:05 PM
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An idiot without context of how Dabo got the job. I understand the need for more POC as HCs and Coord’s, but Dabo has only proven that you don’t have to be a coordinator to win as head coach.
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Lol. This is a good example of how stupid these
Dec 18, 2020, 4:06 PM
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People are.
No1..no1 .. black or white would say clemson made a bad choice.
If dabo bombed, yeah sure. Another white guy bombed.
BUT.....Every fan of every school would hire a pokadoted , 2 legged sea turtle if they knew they would win 2 NCs.
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Clemson Conqueror [11743]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 4:34 PM
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Interesting that his is posted on the LSU fan's page the day prior to early signing day.
Just after we got a commitment from an LSU de-commit.
Dabo has had his job for 12 years now, and obviously has excelled at it. NO one thinks Clemson made a poor choice.
Something fishy about this guy and his timing.
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Top TigerNet [31803]
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Just look at how LSU and Clemson are doing after our battle
Dec 18, 2020, 4:38 PM
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In the CFPNC Game..
LSU Will be the Worst Defending National Championship in NCAA history..
Clemson, at worst case scenario, will be playing in a NY6 Bowl...
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Anyone who even remotely suggests...
Dec 18, 2020, 4:50 PM
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that Dabo ever had ANYTHING handed to him, is completely uninformed and full of $#!7.
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National Champion [7985]
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strike while the irons hot logic here...
Dec 18, 2020, 4:57 PM
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DAbo got the job b/c he was the best recruiter on the staff, was named #1 recruiter in the country that year and had been on that list for years prior. Terry Don didnt' want to see him leave and go to Bama (which was the rumor) or another school and see them flourish and us flounder. It was a risky hire but after he beat Spurrier as the interim coupled with the fact that he was such a greater recruiter and motivator..they took a shot. I know that wasn't all of his intangible but that was a huge reason to keep him as interim. Being white...way down the list...white guys are a dime a dozen.
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 5:12 PM
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As a person of intelligence, I am offended by this video.
The Clemson job was a one-off different kettle of fish. The program decided to fire its HC in the middle of the season and they HAD to promote someone from within. So this was hardly a representative hiring situation.
Also, it is rather difficult to question a guy's credentials when he turns a program around and creates a perennial powerhouse. If Dabo had continued to run our program into the ground, then you might be able to claim privilege, but as it stands, this guy has not a leg to stand on.
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National Champion [7708]
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Re: There Has Been Black Coaches...Although Some Very Short Tenures ---
Dec 18, 2020, 5:16 PM
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Lovie Smith got longer than I imagined.
Taggert may have been trying to build whatever at FSU....but I knew they would not have patience. They wanted the rich talent there to speak fast and quick.....it didn't happen...he was gone in barely 2 years.
Everywhere Jim Caldwell went...it turned out to be a short stay. Is he good or is he that bad??
Kevin Sumlin...had a good offense...but didn't have any defense. In Arizona he had a challenge. Even when Rich Rod was there it was a challenge.
It's a challenge either way you look at it......its just that in some cases fate has it where some can get the job done and some can't....and some people or programs don't have or never had patience.
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 5:18 PM
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There are plenty of places to find discrimination, this ain't one of them.
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You don't have to be a person of color
Dec 18, 2020, 5:20 PM
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to be disgusted with that video. That guy likely plays the race card on everything he sees, everywhere he goes.
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 5:28 PM
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Some people filter everything through race. Some filter everything through politics. Both types are miserable. Like all the time.
Don’t be like those people.
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 6:02 PM
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seems his win loss record does all the talking, and to say Dabo had anything handed to him on a platter is beyond laughable.
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Paw Master [16161]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 6:10 PM
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Dabo's upbringing is the antithesis of white privilege. So Clemson wasn't behind Bowden? Not behind West?
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110%er [4031]
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well.. the person who made the video is LSU garbage..
Dec 18, 2020, 6:59 PM
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they've got their hands FULL with that mess down there in the swamps. i would start with the "oh so adorable" scumbag, O.
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110%er [3822]
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Re: well.. the person who made the video is LSU garbage..
Dec 18, 2020, 7:18 PM
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Prior HC experience means what? Ask Muschamp among others. Clemson's best HCs have been assistants on staff. Tony Elliott could be next but may have to wait awhile.
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Hall of Famer [8577]
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Wish people would not speak his name if they know nothing about him and the situation.
Dec 18, 2020, 7:45 PM
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I don't pretend to know all, but Coach Dabo was inexpensive. But the biggest thing.....he had his team behind him. They were All In.....and that is what really mattered the day he got the job.
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All-In [34487]
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I'M OUTRAGED AT THIS NOBODY'S OPINION AND WANT
Dec 18, 2020, 7:48 PM
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TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A POLITICAL POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i am outraged that you are imitating deroberts by using all
Dec 18, 2020, 7:53 PM
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caps.
everybody has to be upset about something these days.
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All-In [34487]
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I haven't seen deroberts around for a while.
Dec 18, 2020, 7:54 PM
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I just wanted to make sure I honored his name by acting incredulous over absolutely nothing. I hope I achieved my goal.
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Orange Phenom [14989]
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Re: I haven't seen deroberts around for a while.
Dec 18, 2020, 7:58 PM
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i am here sleepy joe
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Heisman Winner [85677]
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IT...IS...ALIVE!
Dec 18, 2020, 8:13 PM
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Orange Elite [5238]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 18, 2020, 9:14 PM
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The maker of this video is simply an unintelligent person with an axe to grind.
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Orange Blooded [2238]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 19, 2020, 12:22 AM
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While everyone is entitled to and may voice there opinion, some should just keep it to themselves. Could you imagine if this man isn’t self employed. He’d at best be doing some kind of sensitivity/ racial discrimination training. I’d personally fire him for racism along with the divisive culture he probably spreads at work. I’m surprised at YouTube as well. The man is clearly being racist yet they allow his video to stay up. I wonder why it’s still up allowed to be up???
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Valley Protector [1425]
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 19, 2020, 11:30 AM
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We took a chance on Dabo, and it has worked out wonderfully. If/when he leaves, my choice to replace him would be OC Tony Elliott, a black man with no HC experience.
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Re: As a person of color I'm disgusted with this video..
Dec 19, 2020, 11:41 AM
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This guy talked about people being racist, he should look in the mirror. It is both ways. It’s time to take of your back yard, quit throwing stones. Nobody is perfect. It’s getting old, just try to love one another.
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