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Paw Master [16465]
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FSU's JUCO players on OL and DL made a big difference in the
Sep 26, 2012, 6:50 PM
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game on Sat night.
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Commissioner [1266]
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Isn't Crawford a JUCO***
Sep 26, 2012, 6:53 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3492]
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No, Crawford went to prep school.***
Sep 26, 2012, 6:54 PM
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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We've only had two JUCO's in the last 10 years, one in 2002
Sep 26, 2012, 9:39 PM
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and one in 2006, both were complete busts.
For every "great" JUCO, there are as many or more busts.
Remember all those 5 star JUCOS Lou kept bringing to SCAR his first 3-4 years? Virtually all were complete busts.
Schools like Miss St., Ole Miss, LSU, and Bama are big on JUCO's. They also are not that well thought of academically.
The only good thing about a JUCO bust, is they are usually gone in two years or less.
Finally, the main reason most schools limit or refrain from JUCOs is the NCAA's tie to grad rates and post season elgibility. JUCO's didn't have the core HS GPA to attend a prep school. Therefore, they are more likely to not be able to complete their degree at the D1 school. Such problems can lead to what happened to UCONN basketball, namely, not being eligible for post season play due to their poor grad rate.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Except UCon didn't have any JuCo's on the B-Ball team
Sep 26, 2012, 9:56 PM
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So that part of your argument sort of falls apart. I'm not talking about a Dennis Erickson, bail you out of prison and put you on the field JuCo roster. I'm talking about maybe 1 or 2 a year to fill holes created by transfers, injuries, and non-qualifiers.
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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Argument is the same, anything that hurts the grad rate
Sep 27, 2012, 8:32 AM
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is unacceptable.
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Re: ARTICLE: Why won't Clemson pursue JUCO recruits to fix D?
Sep 26, 2012, 6:51 PM
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why dont you go count your free shoes . remember to look in your old Dillards bags
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Hall of Famer [22966]
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Thanks for your thoughts on the issue....it certainly
Sep 26, 2012, 7:08 PM
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reflects the opinions of a lot of Clemson fans too. Just to let you know, Clemson does take juco players in other sports (assuming they have the academic scores).
And we're aware Clemson is NOT Stanford, Northwestern or Vanderbilt......however, it sure as #### ain't Florida State either--in anybody's minds.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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In terms of engineering we're well thought of***
Sep 26, 2012, 7:18 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [33818]
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I'm on board with no juco or partial qualifiers***
Sep 26, 2012, 7:18 PM
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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what about qualifiers that can't get into Clemson
Sep 26, 2012, 7:22 PM
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That you Barker?
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Ultimate Tiger [33818]
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BArker has much better seats than i do
Sep 26, 2012, 7:23 PM
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and i'm ok with the academic review board as well if that is what you are implying.
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Why ?
Sep 27, 2012, 11:51 AM
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Doesn't Clemson have JC transfers in its student body ?
We had an offensive line in need of repair. So we repaired it. But my larger question is a why you would categorically rule out a kid who screwd up in high school, for whatever reason, and just like so many other students goes the JC route to move on to a university ? Are there stats showing JC tranfers graduate at a lower rate ? If someone does what they need to do to get into Clemson, why have an across the board philosophy that keeps them out ?
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Re: ARTICLE: Why won't Clemson pursue JUCO recruits to fix D?
Sep 26, 2012, 7:29 PM
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I want the best players who qualify and aren't thugs.
Germans, Jamaicans, Canadians, Brazilians, Russians, Chinese, Junior College, Mormons, Jews, Samoans, Army Veterans, Muslims... I don't care. If they can contribute, suit them up.
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Rival Killer [3014]
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I always thought it was to build a program with 4-5 year
Sep 26, 2012, 7:29 PM
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players. Part of the "doing things the right way" theme.
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But with AE, SW, DH, TB and Morris leaving in a year?***
Sep 26, 2012, 7:31 PM
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Re: But with AE, SW, DH, TB and Morris leaving in a year?***
Sep 26, 2012, 9:08 PM
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Numbnut
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Re: But with AE, SW, DH, TB and Morris leaving in a year?***
Sep 26, 2012, 10:28 PM
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Huh?
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110%er [5249]
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Sammy's a soph
Sep 27, 2012, 11:08 AM
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And Morris is staying at least through our 2014 QB recruit. When was it said he was leaving?
Ellington has to go, RS Senior
TB and Nuk could leave for NFL, but I dunno if I see them both going. Nuk would go before TB.
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You won't have Watkins or Morris past 2013
Sep 27, 2012, 2:39 PM
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That is silly talk.
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Re: ARTICLE: Why won't Clemson pursue JUCO recruits to fix D?
Sep 26, 2012, 7:39 PM
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Heck, Florida State's offensive linemen told the 'Noles third-string defensive tackles that they were tougher in practice than Clemson's starters were in the game.
OUCH!!
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Re: ARTICLE: Why won't Clemson pursue JUCO recruits to fix D?
Sep 26, 2012, 9:11 PM
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barker will not allow us to recruit JuCo guys!! can have FEW for baseball but not football
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Re: ARTICLE: Why won't Clemson pursue JUCO recruits to fix D?
Sep 26, 2012, 10:28 PM
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But do you agree with it?
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Disturbing passage:
Sep 27, 2012, 8:41 AM
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"Heck, Florida State's offensive linemen told the 'Noles third-string defensive tackles that they were tougher in practice than Clemson's starters were in the game."
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Re: Disturbing passage:
Sep 27, 2012, 9:30 AM
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FSU's 3rd string defensive line is comprised of three 5-stars and a four-star. All freshmen.
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110%er [7834]
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FSU's D will be very good for many more years
Sep 27, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Considering the talent they have stacked up.
I think we should take JUCO players if they can do the school work
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