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All-In [26514]
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Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 4:00 PM
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In football and basketball respectively ?
Alabama was involved in some sort of NCAA investigation / probation period from 1989 - 2011. Enter Saban and ... ... some of their players struggle to form coherent sentences, yet they recently have a stellar academic record.
UNC ... what's there to say ? They've been dirty for decades (Wayne Ellington's mansion, J.R. Reids new car, etc)
Do these 2 programs generate so much $$$ for the NCAA, that they have become "too big to fail" ?
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 4:18 PM
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The problem the NCAA has with UNC is that every school has to cheat on academics when it comes to student athletes.
You're taking a population of students who have lower HS GPAs and standardized tests scores than the average student and are expecting graduation rates significantly higher than the average student population.
When that is the performance measure you have to meet it is impossible to meet it without cheating.
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^^^^HAHAHAHAHAHA^^^^
Feb 9, 2016, 4:20 PM
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You're killing me. O, consider the source.
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Legend [15749]
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That's nonsense.
Feb 9, 2016, 4:35 PM
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There's no excuse for cheating, 09. Write it 100 times on the dry erase board.
I don't know about South Carolina, but Clemson has a robust infrastructure for student-athlete academic support. Better than your average students. They also have more oversight (or should) with their coaches, etc. Absolutely their sport is a major drain on their time, but so too is a part-time job for many students who aren't on full scholarship. And at least at Clemson, when you compare graduation rates of students with non-students, I would guess (just a guess) that you're comparing a disproportionate amount of Communications or Sociology majors against a lot of engineers and architects.
It can be done. We do it.
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Re: That's nonsense.
Feb 9, 2016, 4:46 PM
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UNC fans could have made the same exact argument a couple years ago...
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Legend [15749]
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About their program? They could have, but they would have
Feb 9, 2016, 5:10 PM
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been lying. As we now know.
Stay on target. You said that "The problem the NCAA has with UNC is that every school has to cheat on academics when it comes to student athletes." That's garbage. It is EASIER when you cheat. Some schools CHOOSE to cheat. No school HAS to cheat. Many schools do not cheat.
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Re: About their program? They could have, but they would have
Feb 9, 2016, 5:28 PM
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How would have the fans known they were lying? Their argument would have had just as merit as your argument right now.
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There's fudging, there's cheating, and then there's FRAUD
Feb 9, 2016, 5:36 PM
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What you're describing is creating an easy curriculum designed especially to help academically challenged athletics to stay eligible.
If you simply offer less challenging classes for the benefit of athletes, that's "fudging" ...
If you give the athletes the answers to the tests and write their reports for them, that's "cheating" ...
But, if you create totally fake classes that don't even require attendance, that's "fraud" ...
What UNC has done for the past 20 years is outright academic fraud.
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Re: There's fudging, there's cheating, and then there's FRAUD
Feb 9, 2016, 5:53 PM
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I don't disagree that UNC's situation is much more egregious than others.
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 9:46 PM
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Every scholarship athlete has private Tudors available to them and the professors spoon feed the classes to them. Especially football players. I worked out with the Clemson football team during the spring of 04 as a walk in for the upcoming fall and ended up transferring. My roommate was on scholarship and got to go to Vickery hall whenever he needed help. Clemson players go to all of their classes and get help studying when they need it. The fact that you said they all cheat is the absolute flat out DUMBEST thing I have seen on here yet, and shows how low the standards are at usuck (the mist unsuccessful D1 program in history) and the rest of the dumb add secheat.
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 11:14 PM
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Not sure how an English royal family is helping student athletes graduate.
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 4:21 PM
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Not sure where you get your information about UNC basketball but the reason Dean Smith is such a legend is that he did it the right way as does his disciple Roy Williams. The latest "scandal" involved the creation of classes, Roy does not create classes nor was mentioned in the NCAA report
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 4:24 PM
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You really don't think the coaches were involved?
It's this lack of common sense that leads to a lot of ignorant arguments. It's like when a school gets busted for paying one player/recruit and fans argue that was the only player who got paid. You really think if they were willing to pay one player, other players weren't being paid?
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Now that's rich....
Feb 9, 2016, 5:34 PM
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"It's this lack of common sense that leads to a lot of ignorant arguments"
That may be the ALL TIME most hypocritical post you've ever made on TigerNet.
Were you able to actually type it with a straight face?
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Re: The revelations from UNC rocked my opinion of Ole Roy...
Feb 9, 2016, 4:49 PM
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Once again, '09 is totally clueless. What an inaccurate statement . Geez what a DA. USC alum ?
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You do realize that the "classes" started under Dean.
Feb 9, 2016, 4:57 PM
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Just because UNC claims he did it the right does not make it true. Just look at Larry Brown, From the Dean Smith tree, who has gotten the 3 schools he coached at on probation. Roy gets credit for stopping the sham classes but that was only after they were caught and the academic guy he brought with him has been named in the investigation. Wonder how he has been able to skirt the 9 game suspension that Boeheim and Brown had to serve
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 6:48 PM
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Moody so if Dean was so honest why did Matt D say that Dean Smith and Gutheridge told him to not worry about academics they would take care of it. Smith may have done it right in the 70's and 80's but he had to change his ways towards the end.
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 7:21 PM
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This Carolina stuff goes back to the early 90s when Coach K got it really rolling at duke. I always thought they were trying to protect deans legacy until he was gone by fighting this investigation. His "holier than thou" reputation and the "Carolina way" are total bs. These paper classes and crooked faculty were created to benifit basketball-The football team just got busted first.
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its been widely reported (and seemingly acknowledged) that
Feb 9, 2016, 9:10 PM
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Dean Smith and whoever was the unc AD at the time were the ones who "suggested" adding African-American Studies (as a major) to the unc curriculum after the discipline was beginning to get a foothold in legitimate academic circles and being offered at other universities. Obviously, Smith and Swoffie could only throw their support behind the curriculum addition, but certainly Smith's influence on campus was considerable.
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Orange Blooded [3521]
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Yep.***
Feb 9, 2016, 4:56 PM
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 5:50 PM
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> In football and basketball respectively ?
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> Alabama was involved in some sort of NCAA
> investigation / probation period from 1989 - 2011.
> Enter Saban and ... ... some of their
> r players struggle to form coherent sentences, yet
> they recently have a stellar academic record.
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> UNC ... what's there to say ? They've been dirty for
> decades (Wayne Ellington's mansion, J.R. Reids new
> car, etc)
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> Do these 2 programs generate so much $$$ for the
> NCAA, that they have become "too big to fail" ?
Which players at Bama are you referencing?
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CU Guru [1335]
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 7:07 PM
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List all the UNCheat football and basketball players that were declared academically ineligible
for the 20 years after the African American studies system was put in place ????
I will wait .,
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 7:10 PM
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Y'all tell em coot and gump
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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as deliciously ironic as it sounds, money talks....
Feb 9, 2016, 6:56 PM
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easy peasy.
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 7:18 PM
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I do not think Alabama is any worse than any other SEC school. I would venture to say that UGA under its new program leadership will be the worst offender in the SEC. The ACC should deal with UNC.
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The irony is why they needed all that adderal for fake classes that never met.
Feb 9, 2016, 7:22 PM
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Was it just to study the playbook?
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Re: The irony is why they needed all that adderal for fake classes that never met.
Feb 9, 2016, 7:51 PM
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You guys need to look up UA APR numbers and overall academic rating
Some are starting to remind me of notre dame pseudo-elitists back in 2012
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they need to see DJ Fluker's bank account too
Feb 9, 2016, 9:02 PM
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Cuz he admitted to being paid to play after he left for NFL
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Re: they need to see DJ Fluker's bank account too
Feb 9, 2016, 10:15 PM
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And there are a number of folks around here that swear CJ Spiller's Momma and His Baby Momma lived in a Lake House on Hartwell for his final 2 seasons.
One guy I know says they lived 2 doors down from him....who knows the actual truth.
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Re: Are Alabama and UNC untouchable to the NCAA ?
Feb 9, 2016, 11:52 PM
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Yes, yes they are. Both programs bring in tons of money. This is America, money talks-principles walk.
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