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Valley Protector [1478]
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What is the actual problem at the QB position?
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Oct 3, 2025, 11:14 AM
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We have missed on Qbs for at least the last 3 cycles it appears(DJ, Cade, and Vizzina as some are saying). We have had 2 OCs in that time period and might be heading for a 3rd. How are we getting top talent and they just flounder consistently?
Are we missing in evaluations? Are we not developing these guys? Is it the scheme? Is it the OL? I believe it to be a combo of development and scheme. Although, it might be evaluations as we were in it to the end with Lagway and he isnt looking so great.
Somehow Washington State is getting better Quarterback play then we are. They produced Cam Ward and John Mateer. If they can find the talent, Clemson should be able to as well.
No matter what the problem is, it needs to be fixed as practically any team in the country can find a capable QB. What do you think the problem is?
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Ultimate Tiger [35197]
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The generally accepted reason as of Oct 3rd, 2025
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Oct 3, 2025, 11:16 AM
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Is Bannana ball.
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Rival Killer [2999]
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Simple
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Oct 3, 2025, 11:21 AM
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A quarterback talented enough to overcome the coaching and poor play calling. 😬
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Game Changer [1719]
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ChatGPT says
Oct 3, 2025, 11:37 AM
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ChatGPT says only 4 qbs that were 5 stars didn't get drafted. 2 from Clemson, Hunter Johnson and DJ U.
I think the problem is, when we miss, we don't make a change at QB. It took 4 games for Dabo to put the best player we've ever had in the driver's seat.
Lawrence was 46/68 68%, 712 yards, 9 TD and 2 INT in 4 games before he finally started.
Similar story with Watson.
Unfortunately, we may never know anything about CV at this rate.
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Hall of Famer [8272]
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Apparently we do not have a coach at Clemson who can...
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Oct 3, 2025, 11:40 AM
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develop QBs and haven't one for some time. That's Dabo's fault. Not all high school QBs come into college NFL ready like DW4 and TL16. It's the most important position on the team, and we're doing nothing to develop them. Why?????
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Orange Blooded [2557]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
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Oct 3, 2025, 11:51 AM
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It really is player development. Brandon Streeter coached Deshawn Watson, and Trevor Lawrence. He might have failed on DJ because he was totally overwhelmed with being the OC, but after that Cade was been coached by Riley. The tell with Streeter is he sorta proved that you can't be the OC and do the QB coaching well.
I am not saying Riley needs to go, but I think if we were to go back to a coach specifically for QB's that does not have any friend of family relation to anyone at Clemson and is a true QB specialist with a proven record we might turn around on the position.
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Offensive Star [321]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
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Oct 3, 2025, 12:23 PM
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Brandon Streeter also came on staff from Richmond before the Oklahoma bowl game. He worked with Cole Stout for what 3-4 weeks? Kid has the game of his career.
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Head Coach [944]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
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Oct 3, 2025, 12:38 PM
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Keep in mind, evaluation is not an exact science. If you look at recruiting rankings of top QBs just the last 5 years you'll see names all over you've never heard of. That's one thing, but I do agree we have missed on QBs for years. The inability for any to show improvement is a big problem that needs to be addressed.
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Playmaker [354]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
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Oct 3, 2025, 12:45 PM
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The question is, where to begin to even try to explain it. Its hard to look at play calling when you study the game film. So many open receivers and we either drop the ball or simply dont throw it. That would lead to this discussion:
offensive line is porous
QB is indecisive and late in his progressions
receivers are inconsistent
tailbacks are inexperienced
QB has happy feet even when he doesnt have pressure
penalties are inexcusable at times
pre-snap reads are wrong so the play is ineffective
missed blocks are killing momentum
where are the tight ends?
and the list goes on.
Go study the film and its hard to blame play calling as much as everyone wants to. There have been plenty of good calls that just were not executed. When you make the easy play the defense has to adjust and the play calling gets easier. We cant make the easy play! Cade could have big numbers right now and he is not seeing the field. That is perplexing given he should know the plays better than anyone. Is he not reading the defense schemes well? Does he not trust certain players? I thought a comment that was made said more than the statement itself regarding A Williams. Him being out had crippled the offense. Are we a one man show now? No one player makes a team so who steps up and continues the climb? The QB has to instill confidence and his indecision at the line are killing those chances and the direction of the offense. All that said to say that coaching is lacking and that was admitted this week. Players are being paid and not producing. It all points to the same thing.
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CU Guru [1548]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
Oct 3, 2025, 12:47 PM
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To be fair… Washington St didn’t produce Cam Ward.
He was a transfer from Incarnate Word after like 2 seasons there.
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Game Day Hero [4552]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
Oct 3, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Dude won MVP at the Elite 11 in 2021
He has attended camps in the off-season including working with the Manning family
His work ethic is unparalleled by his peers and yet he can't get it going
Make it make sense
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
Oct 3, 2025, 1:27 PM
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Does anyone get hit at Elite 11?
Does anyone get hit attending off-season camps and / or working with the Manning family?
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Game Changer [1931]
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Re: What is the actual problem at the QB position?
Oct 3, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Multifaceted.
With DW and TL we expected them to be great. But there wasn’t a goal of being THE GREATEST. No pressure from the coach of winning it all…
I think Dabo has put a real, and probably unhealthy amount of pressure on DJU and CK. DJU was a bit of a head case due to that and his parents’ divorce. CK is a head case too but aside from the pressure? Idk what his deal is.
This is all coupled with a lack of offensive development / identity. In CK2’s defense, he lacked weapons in ‘23 which probably put him on a bad note. But we have the best weapons around him now in ‘25, he’s come off of a great season on his part, so there’s really no excuse for him playing so bad.
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Alternate theory: I wonder if there’s (and not just clemson but at a lot of schools) a world where guys are getting paid big time to throw games or not make plays. The betting world has really BLOWN up from an underground thing to a massive business in the last 5~ years so I am almost totally certain dudes are making more throwing games than NIL can pay them…but who knows… I have no evidence to support my theory.
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Rival Killer [2913]
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Million dollar QB can't handle the pressure of meeting the expectations $$ bring***
Oct 3, 2025, 1:30 PM
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