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Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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or will it be like the last thirteen?
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 1:29 PM
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With each new post, you solidify the common thinking that you are a coot
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Pipe down Cobbox.
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Jul 23, 2023, 3:43 PM
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Coming from a guy that would argue with a stop sign.
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Re: Pipe down Cobbox.
Jul 23, 2023, 5:48 PM
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Water is wet…
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Re: Pipe down Cobbox.
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Jul 23, 2023, 6:57 PM
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Yes, it is self evident that you are cobbox.
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I don't think either is smart enough to create a scok.***
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Re: Pipe down Cobbox.
Jul 29, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Still better than being a coot my feathered friend
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Re: Pipe down Cobbox.
Jul 29, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Do you use different devices for your various scocks or just log in and out?
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As long as you jerks keep beating this stupid drum
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I am not piping down. What a bunch of losers. You guys are giving the Lunatic Fringe a bad name.
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Re: As long as you jerks keep beating this stupid drum
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Jul 24, 2023, 10:20 AM
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I think you misread this Viz
Jul 24, 2023, 9:41 AM
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Re: I think you misread this Viz
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It was an accidental TD. I’ve been hitting him with extra TUs. But thinks for pointing it out in case I didn’t realize.
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The mods have been saying they are coming up with a deal
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Jul 24, 2023, 9:55 AM
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that will allow donors to change their TU & TD . . . right ? ?
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Oh, he will coach like he has the last 13yrs. He has job security and is gaining momentum, just ask some tnetters.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 2:10 PM
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Last season was one of his better seasons IMO even if the committee didn'th think so, and he has brought in some pretty good talent to play next season with, and we'll just have to wait and see how the selection committee will feel about our Tigers this season coming.
I haven't been a Brownell Pumper for a few years now, but I do believe that he got screwed by the NCAA selection committee this past season!!! Some will say that he was one and done in the NIT tournament, but I'm pretty sure that it was the players intentions to show that they could care less about playing in the NIT after getting screwed and left out the NCAA tournament, and I can't say that I blame them if the way they played in NIT was on purpose bc, they were intentionally ignored by the NCAA selection committee!!!!
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 2:28 PM
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If they played the NIT game at home in front of Clemson fans without a purpose, then I lose more respect for Brownell. No way a Dabo led team would lay down at home. I can agree that the team was disappointed at not making the NCAAT as we all were but that should have been motivation to win the NIT to show the commitee they made a mistake. Maybe I am wired differently than others?
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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I understand why people would think they were unfairly overlooked last season but finishing 3rd in the ACC with our strength of schedule, strength of record, and rpi was a historical outlier. Only our total wins and ACC standing suggested we would make it in. The other metrics - which are what the NCAA committee uses said we weren’t getting in. I left off NET because it is so new that there isn’t much history to go on. But based on its short lifespan, it also said we were out.
Edit to add: part of why I think it is important to really understand that we weren’t screwed is selling that belief is a major reason we’re riding this merry-go -round once again.
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Tommy Bowden v2.0***
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Can’t complain about the NCAAs when you are losing in the 1st Round of the NIT to Morehead State…
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Jul 23, 2023, 2:45 PM
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That said, no one was predicting Clemson in the NCAAs. We were on the outside looking in after the loss to 3 win Louisville.
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Re: Can’t complain about the NCAAs when you are losing
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Jul 23, 2023, 2:54 PM
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Unfortunately our AD went on record that we were “a tourney team” that got screwed, and therefore Brad deserves another swing at the piñata and a four year extension. Basketball is definitely the distant second sport and a lot of sincere fans don’t understand we were never in the hunt without - at minus - making the ACC finals. Brad didn’t just lose to Morehead St to close the season. He went 0-2. He got trounced by 20 by a mid Virginia that would go on to lose to Furman. That was his opportunity to put is only our 2nd ACC final ever. Win that and he becomes the first Clemson coach with a true ACC championship and he’s in the tourney. It was an epic failure but our expectations have been beaten so low everyone just shrugs it off.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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if the way they played in NIT was on purpose bc, they were intentionally ignored by the NCAA selection committee!!!!
That’ll show ‘em! Losing at home in the first round of the NIT as a #1 seed is the perfect way to show those NCAA poopieheads how wrong they were.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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You responded to my post in less than 10 minutes - my first in over 24 hours and first related to Brownell in over 3 days. I'd say "obsession" is a little pot calling the kettle black (is that expression allowed anymore?). Most of us on here, at a minimum, probably have a significantly above average interest in Clemson sports. Unlike you, I'd actually prefer the 2nd biggest one to compete for championships since it is obviously going to keep my attention either way.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 2:03 PM
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“ You responded to my post in less than 10 minutes”, and you think that means what? I just happened to log on and see your post right after you made it, don’t flatter yourself into thinking anyone is tracking your posting activity. Also the fact that you think going 3 days without posting some stupid joke about Brownell is restraint is illustrative of the depth of your obsession. Just for fun go back and look at your post history to see what percentage of your posts in the last few months have been about either Brownell or JK. I haven’t looked so I don’t know, but It’s gotta be very high.
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LOL. Do you ever step back and take a look at yourself?
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 3:27 PM
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Which program is more an area of concern - football or basketball? Should our concern as fans not be proportionate?
Shoot...
If you've seen this board the last 2 years you'd think our FB program was going back to the Hatfield/West/Bowden days.....
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 3:37 PM
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aka The DJU Effect.
It’s been scientifically documented.
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You having a rough day man
Jul 23, 2023, 4:44 PM
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Did they run out of Zima down at the Lil Cricket?
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Re: You having a rough day man
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I’m drinking Colorado cool-aid.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Brad’s little brownie troopers must always instantly leap to defend their impotent leader.
To your original question, there is no reason to believe this season will be any different than the last 13. It is what it is. We are Clemson. Just give Brad his $3 million and be glad that football has a real coach.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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HE. LOST. TO. THE. WORST. COOT. TEAM. IN. 58. YEARS. THIS. SEASON!!!!
And I’m the coot. JHC
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Overall skill of the team apparently plays no factor in the W/L column to you, huh? 4 out if our last 6 years have been very competitive basketball teams. This is the most talented team brownell has had.
Get ready to cry for another year! Th tigers make the tourney this year!
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Judge do me a favor…..shut the f up.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Prior to last season you said the same thing (re: make the tourney or would agree that it’s time to move on). Only one of us is a documented liar on the topic.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 4:32 PM
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No i didn't, liar. Also, I would have been ok with letting brownell go after last year.
I was on record saying the only way brownell would be retained is if we made the tourney, or we had a really good season as a bubble team, and we project to have a good team the following year. Looks like i was spot on as usual.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 4:56 PM
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lol. You’re confusing your scocks.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 6:30 PM
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Lol, you are an insecure loser that projects your own insecurities through crazy accusations.
Have fun crying about brownell for 2+ more years!
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 7:23 PM
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WORSHIPING BROWNELL!!!!
This kind of talk is why nobody takes your seriously. Nobody is worshipping brownell. You seem to worship some sort of anti-brownell cult though.
I hope you enjoy a brownell coached basketball team for the next few years!
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 7:31 PM
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So you openly admit you’d put trolling someone above the welfare of the program?
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 10:33 PM
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You are the only person trolling.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 4:39 PM
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I'll support the team no matter who is coaching. I hope the Tigers win the ACC, and then make a good showing in the NCAA tournament.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 4:57 PM
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I hope he coaches like the past since he is the best coach we have ever had. You have to separate coaching from recruiting to see the true picture, same as baseball that has not won a regional since 2010.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
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Jul 23, 2023, 5:47 PM
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He’s not even close to our best coach and he’s the worst coach in ACC history to serve more than 7 years in the 64 team era and 2nd worst all time to serve more than 7. But keep drinking that kool-aid.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/acc/men/coaches.html
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 5:51 PM
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He certainly has the talent so his coaching ability will reveal itself this season. This year will determine his long range outlook after 14 seasons.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 23, 2023, 7:04 PM
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But what standard should he be held to? I’m fairly certain another early exit from the ACC tourney and an NCAA one-and-done gets him yet another extension - probably a fat one since there is so little time left on his contract. And it shouldn’t be enough.
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Enough already
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Jul 23, 2023, 7:05 PM
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Go back into your deep hole underneath the Lunatic Fringe Clubhouse. You are not cute. You are not funny. But you are extremely irritating and extremely clueless.
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Re: Enough already
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Jul 23, 2023, 7:07 PM
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Please use the data from the following to make a serious rebuttal to my assertions. If you are able to do so, I will never post on the subject again. I will let upvotes and downvotes be the arbiters. I’ll assume you are admitting you are simply a fan boy and have no tangible defense if you fail to reply.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/acc/men/coaches.html
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Re: Enough already
Jul 23, 2023, 10:38 PM
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"Derp brownell is a terrible basketball coach"
Then you proceed to put him on a list comparing him to hall of fame basketball coaches such as coach K and dean smith. WOW! LMAO.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 23, 2023, 11:24 PM
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It’s literally a list of every basketball coach in ACC history. He’s by no means the worst. Just the worst to ever be the retained more than 7 seasons in the 64 team era. 2nd worst for that duration all-time. Try harder.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 8:06 AM
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There are only 18 coaches that meet your criteria.
Included in these 18 coaches that you are comparing to brownell are dean smith, coach K, roy Williams, tony bennett, gary williams, jim larranaga, jim boeheim, and dave odom.
Im not sure this is the burn you think it is. LOL!
Also you have coaches like paul hewitt that meets your criteria. He had losing seasons in 4 out his last 6 years at GT. His record his last 6 years were 94-96.
Also, can you explain how seth greenburg rates better than brownell?
What about cliff ellis? His last 4 years weren't grwat and he got us on probation. Compare that to brownell who has us at our strongest point in year 14.
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Re: Enough already
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So we’ve got a coach arguably better than Seth Greenberg? That’s the endorsement?
Hewitt last 5 seasons - 2 NCAA appearances, 1 victory. Result = fired
Brownell last 5 seasons - 1 NCAA appearances, 0 victories. Result = celebrated by clemmountaineers
In 2 less seasons coached Hewitt made the tourney 5 times (45%) versus Brownell’s 23%. Hewitt made an NCAA tourney final. He made two ACC finals. At the only original ACC program that Clemson has a winning record against. AND THEY FIRED HIM. In a world where Brownell can stay at a P5 school 14 years, Hewitt should be a Hall of Famer.
Brad is an outlier amongst the 18 coaches you’re crying about him being unfairly compared to because other schools don’t retain coaches into a 14th season who aren’t on their way to Hall of Fame caliber careers. You are literally embracing mediocrity even as the proof of it is staring you in the face.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 9:46 AM
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You truly are pathetic. You say brownell was the worst with the criteria you listed.
I look into details and your claim was a lie. I call out the lie and you continue to attack. "So we have a coach better than seth greenburg??? So that is the argument?" No i am saying you are a liar, that exaggerates stats to make brownell as bad as possible. If brownell is so bad, why do you have to exaggerate?
Brownell's last 5 years are significantly better than paul hewitt's. It's almost like their situations are totally unique and different.
You act like its all about the tournament. Do you truly believe hewitt's last season is equal to our last season? If brownell went 13-18 last season he would be fired.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 10:31 AM
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Seth had a higher overall win percentage in his 8 seasons that he coached Virginia Tech while he was in the ACC. Despite having a lower in-conference win %. Which speaks to the erosion of the ACC in the ensuing years(12.3 average ACC SRS Greenberg tenure vs 11.3 Brownell). He also has a winning record against Brad. And his program was also thought to have been “screwed” by the tourney more than once. Since you believe in moral victories I assume you’ll extend the same courtesy to Greenberg. So I didn’t lie and I don’t concede that Brad is better. By arguing the distinctions between Brownell and Greenberg you’ve simply proven that Brad is only, at best, arguably slightly better than a coach any rational person knew should have been moved on from.
How is comparing to Hewitt unfair? He took over a program that was falling apart after Cremins’ about-face from South Carolina. Hadn’t made the tourney in 4 years. They finished 5-11 8th out of 9 teams the season before he took over. Brad took over a team that finished 9-7, 6th of 12. Both teams returned roughly 70% of their offensive production but Hewitt started with 2 top 100 players, Brad had 4 top 100 players on his roster.
It shouldn’t require a 13-18 season to realize it is time to move on. If you aren’t playing for championships after 13 years it is time to move on. When the opportunity to win championships is laid out before you in season 13 and you fail spectacularly, it is time to move on. We got trounced by Virginia. NCAA bid and ACC final on the line. That should have been the final straw.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Ohhh so now we are taking into account win percentage and not just NCAA tourney appearances. Whichever way the stats make brownell the worst is what you go with. Nothing consistent about your approach
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 2:28 PM
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A 14th year head coach should beat Greenberg in all metrics. NCAA tourney is most important to me and success getting to the tourney is bound to correlate to success in other metrics. All you are doing is reinforcing that - at best - Brownell is slightly better than Greenberg. Sad.
Btw - I’ve always taken overall win percentage into account when evaluating Brownell. Because it isn’t good.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 2:59 PM
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The fact of the matter is that brownell isnt the worst on the list that met your criteria despite you saying so. You are a joke!
You said he was a terrible coach and then you put him on a list of 18 coaches to compare to. Half of these coaches are hall of fame coaches. The fact that brownell is on this list to compare negates your entire argument that "brownell is a terrible basketball coach" lmao.
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Re: Enough already
Jul 24, 2023, 5:51 PM
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I put him in the company of those he belongs with. That was the entire point. Sorry if it sails over your head. Should I compare him to all the 6 year coaches. GTFO.
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Criteria: games that matter
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Jul 24, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Brownell is 0'fer. Zero! Zilch! Nada!
What more criteria do the Brad's losers want?
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Re: Criteria: games that matter
Jul 24, 2023, 3:15 PM
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If brownell is 0fer in games that matter, then clemson basketball has never won a game that mattered in clemson basketball history.
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Re: Criteria: games that matter
Jul 24, 2023, 3:50 PM
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Again, because you are either 12 or not actually a Clemson fan, you forget beating Duke to clinch our loan ACC regular season title.
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Brownell last 5 seasons - 1 NCAA appearances, 0 victories.
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Result = celebrated by clemmountaineers - and cobbbox & jk & geech & a VERY few others.
THIS is a great post.
Our doorknob coach WISHES he was Tommy Bowden 2.0 - he isn't close to Tommy Bowden.
Hey Viz - update this - adding first round exits for the last 5 years, please. Both ACC & the NIT (usually - if we made any post-season tourney at all)
The guy is WAY below what we should DEMAND for our basketball program - history makes NO difference.
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Re: Brownell last 5 seasons - 1 NCAA appearances, 0 victories.
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The problem with even trying to compare Brownell at this point is that he is in a league unto himself. The legends have all retired. Most schools are rebuilding. And Brad is still missing the layups like he did in his playing days. The only coaches with longer tenures are Hamilton (21) and Bennett (14). Brownell isn't anywhere close to either of them in accomplishments. Mike Brey has been in the ACC 10 seasons but at Notre Dame for 23 seasons and made the tourney 13 times and has an ACC championship - and I could still see ND fans being ready to move on. Larranaga has been at Miami 12 seasons and also has considerably more to show for it - 6 tourneys, a regular season and conference tourney title, and a Final Four. Clemson has put Brownell in the company of these coaches by refusing to move on but he isn't remotely their calibre - and these aren't even truly elite coaches except maybe Bennett (too soon to say).
The rest of the conference is a mix of question marks and hot seats:
Adrian Autry - Syracuse. Has never coached a collegiate game. Should work out great.
Jeff Capel - Pitt 5 seasons. Who knows. Stallings murdered an elite program. Capel took two steps forward then two steps back. Last year was his only decent season. His career doesn't look especially impressive when factoring in the cheating at Oklahoma.
Hubert Davis - UNC 2 seasons. Great close to first season with Roy's leftovers. Already falling apart. Recruiting way below UNC norm and he struggled during regular season both years.
Steve Forbes - Wake 3 seasons. Wake is clearly satisfied with shoving their share of the ACC money in a mattress.
Earl Grant - BC 2 seasons. I like Earl. But he wasn't even good by CofC standards. I know he dealt with the CAA transition but he was there a while. And it took Pat Kelsey 1 year to blow away Grant's best season. Another school that isn't trying.
Kevin Keatts - NC State 6 years. 2 Tourneys. he stinks. NC state has an idiotic 2 year option deal whenever he makes the NCAA tourney. But that's better than DRad giving Brownell the full extension for making the NIT Semifinal (god we're pathetic).
Kenny Payne - Louisville 1 year. A broken program hired someone with no head coaching experience.
Jon Scheyer - Duke 1 year. Another with no head coaching experience. The recruiting is lights out. Might be able to pull it off.
Mike Young - VT 4 seasons. In those four years he's made the tourney twice and already won an ACC title. At a middling program. Judge Keller scoffed at anyone who thought Mike Young would ever be in Brownell's league. He was right but for all the wrong reasons.
Damon Stoudamire - GT. Has coached a game at GT yet. Sub .500 record with no notable accomplishmets at Pacific. A Paul Johnson sized disaster for another ACC program that just doesn't care anymore.
This is the ACC in 2023. It is not impressive. And Brad is - by accomplishment - middle of this pack. He's already been quickly passed by Mike Young. Duke, UNC, and Syracuse will pass him in short order or replace their coaches quickly. He's able to stay in the middle because no one else is content to sit there. A few programs are obviously just taking themselves out of the game. The rest are trying. Brad gets fat and happy playing the middle.
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Re: Brownell last 5 seasons - 1 NCAA appearances, 0 victories.
Jul 28, 2023, 11:00 PM
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Fire Brad. And maybe Neff after the coming season. If you cant win a first round game in the nit something is wrong with the coach and maybe the ad.
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Re: We went 20 years without a W in the Tourney and you think
Jul 25, 2023, 10:23 AM
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We went 19 seasons without winning an ACC championship in football which I guess means Dabo should never have been expected to do it either.
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Re: Enough already
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Takes one to know one.
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With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation, he needs to go too.
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#FireNeff
Neff Said!
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation, he needs to go too.
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Jul 27, 2023, 12:31 AM
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Brownell could go deep in the NCAA tournament and it would not be enough for the Brownell Bashers. They have already made up their mind that Brownell needs to get fired no matter what Brownell does from now on.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 27, 2023, 10:03 AM
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If Brad could make the tourney on a regular basis, much less make deep runs (lol), none of this would be an issue. For the dullards that haven’t been paying attention - we are where we are because he has been given no such expectations. After his fourth complete season he should have been on the hot seat if not fired. DRad, however, felt that the program had turned a corner and was overlooked for the NCAA tourney. Rather than an extra year or, you know, not firing Brad he saw fit to give him a full extension and massive raise. (23 wins, NIT - sound familiar) For making an NIT semifinal! Brad rewarded that investment by going a whopping 5 games over .500 the next three seasons with 7th, 9th, and 12th place ACC finishes. Miraculously the ACC was strong enough in 2016-17 that we got an NIT invite despite finishing 12th but we lost at home to a crap team (sound familiar). DRad amazingly resisted giving Brad a raise or extension (other than the bonus and auto-raise already in his contract) for losing to Oakland but also didn’t fire him. Setting us up for 2017-18, his one true outlier season. Finished tied for 3rd in a decent NCAA and made the Sweet Sixteen. Even I wouldn’t have fired him after this season. But DRad once again gave him a full extension - essentially a new contract with massive pay increases. It’s almost like he learned nothing from the raise/extension in 2014. What was the reward this time, as Brad become one of the highest paid coaches in what is supposed to be the elite basketball conference? 1 first round NCAA exit surrounded by 8th, 9th, and 10th places finishes in conferences. Last season’s third place finish is nothing like the one in 17-18. This was the worst ACC by strength of record in over 50 years. The worst in the entire 64 team tourney era. The South Carolina team we lost was the worst they have fielded since Frank McGuire’s first season. So, what in that pattern, suggests to you that Brad is gonna make “a deep run” in the tourney and that, if he does he’ll actually repeat it anytime in the ensuing decade? At this point in his tenure he should never get anything more than a one-year extension barring anything other than winning actual championships. It’s insane that anyone would defend the above. - which are entirely facts.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
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Fired after year 4. LMAO. He wouldn't even have a season with all of his own players.
He would have been beholden to the OP leftovers which had a massive dropoff in talent after year 1. We made the tourney in year 1 with a worse team than the 3 that purnell brought to the tourney and actually won a game.
Newsflash: Coach K wouldn't have won with a team that had to start Brian Narcisse in year 2. He would not have won in year 3 when our 2 best veterans were Milton Jennings and Devin Booker
For Brownell to find success in his first 4 years, he would have had to recruit like no other coach in the history of Clemson has recruited. He would have had to recruit 3-4 instant impact guys in his first 2 classes. Not the typical players that we get that take a couple of years to develop.
What a joke you are.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 28, 2023, 7:50 AM
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I love that in an overview of a 13 year tenure you fixate on comments about year 4, fail to address that he repeats the pattern over and over even with his players, and that somehow he has no responsibility for THE BEST RECRUITING CLASS IN CLEMSON HISTORY not working out. You type their names as though they’re some kind of talisman protecting Brad. Is there any point in time where Oliver Purnell leaving him a group of sophomores that Rivals ranks as our best ever isn’t somehow still a drag on Brownell? It’s stupider than the McDaniels elevated his game argument. A Clemson hating coot like you is the only joke in this thread.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
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So sorry for responding directly to a point you made in your post.
1. If you think brownell was responsible for the lack of development of milton jennings, then i dont know what to tell you. Of course you blame brownell for this. Lol
2. Devin booker developed into an all acc player. Even though he was rated way higher than his brother, he was not nearly as good, and that was evident from the start.
3. Noel Johnson was our 3rd highest recruit ever and he transferred after 1 year. He never became a starter at auburn in his entire career.
That class was criminally over-rated and it's ok to admit that. You dont have to take an extreme position every time discussing brownell just to bash him.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 29, 2023, 10:19 PM
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You answer the only point you can even think of a rebuttal to and ignore the others because you have nothing. And even “criminally overrated” would be far better than the empty pantry you pretend he inherited and somehow still hinders him 13 years later. You are a troll who doesn’t have any actual interest in Clemson basketball.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 30, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Lmao.
Maybe i just pick the dumbest point you make to school you on. You never have a rebuttal, you just cry that i didn't write a novel to respond to each one of you extreme and silly points. Brownell posted his worst 2 year record of his tenure in years 2 and 3. Why do you think that is, genius? How about you just accept that in years 2-5 brownell was significantly held back because of talent level and timing of OP departure. Then i will debunk any bs that you spew.
I have never once said or alluded to brownell still being hindered in year 13 by his leftovers. You are simply making stuff up.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 30, 2023, 11:23 AM
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Then why, in an overview of HIS ENTIRE TENURE - is the only thing you have a defense for years 2-4? Which, by the way, I was simply stating actually facts about those seasons. What the hell does it matter going into year 14 what the reasons for what happened then were? I was simply laying the road map of his poor performance and our ADs poor decision making. You are making no meaningful point whatsoever. Pure circular argumentative bs that does nothing to actually support any of the decisions that have surrounded this execrable, interminable tenure. He’s trash and so are his supporters which are, thankfully, down to you and Cobbox and an army of scocks.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 30, 2023, 12:46 PM
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You seem to put just as much stock in his performance from years 2-5 just as much as the last 6 years.
You discredit his ncaa appearance in year 1 because it was purnell's players, but then bash him for years 2 and 3
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 30, 2023, 12:53 PM
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Accidentally posted before i was done with my response.
I like to look at performance since the facility upgrades. This is when we were finally on an even playing field.
Since then we have been to the tourney 2 out of 6 years. We have also hd 2 other bubble teams that were extremely competitive. Thats not amazing, but it isn't bad. Historically it is one of the best 6 year stretches in clemson history. We also should have a strong year this year, and have some good young pieces
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
Jul 30, 2023, 2:39 PM
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We were not bubble teams in the years we finished 8, 9, and 10. And we weren’t a bubble team this year. We would have had to make the ACC final to be a real bubble team and Brad missed the layup - as usual. So more fallacy. In the last 5 years - a full recruiting cycle since his Sweet Sixteen supposedly turned everything around he is 1 of 5 making the tourney and two humiliating home NIT exits. Sounds great - give the man a raise a bonus - that is exactly what we’re doing. You should be so happy.
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Re: With Neff's pathetic handling of this situation
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I don’t discredit his first year because it’s Purnell’s players. It wasn’t commendable, however, that he basically moved backwards by having the bid be to the First Four . That was a step back from the previous 3 seasons. And while he won that game it can’t really be compared to anyone previously since that game had never existed before. So you’re making #### up as usual. And, based on longevity, the last 6 years aren’t very impressive. One Sweet 16 , an undisputed outlier in his record, 8th, 9th, and 10th place finish in conference. No NCAA the year he manages to finish 3rd. A first round exit when he finished 5th. Not exactly the resume of someone commanding a top 30 salary and top 3-4 in the ACC. Please continue to let everyone know that you hate Clemson basketball and want desperately for it to continue to suck.
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Re: Anyone think Brownell will actually coach the upcoming season
Jul 27, 2023, 10:18 AM
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We are making the tournament?
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Jul 29, 2023, 4:26 PM
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to the Lunatic Fringe Clubhouse and stay there. We don't need you.
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Re: Go back
Jul 29, 2023, 10:17 PM
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Get a pulse bro.
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