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Another big hit to college football
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LSU QB commit Bryce Underwood is rumored to have a $10.5 million offer from Michigan per @TheWolverineOn3
If true, college football will die a quicker death than I ever thought. Additionally, no sport has ever survived totally unrestricted free agency(Portal). I guess it was fun while it lasted.
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The facts called.
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Nov 14, 2024, 11:43 AM
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They disagree.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: The facts called.
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Nov 14, 2024, 12:07 PM
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No they don't.
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Yes, they do.
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Nov 14, 2024, 12:42 PM
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I've been hearing those canards about the death of college football and how the sport is ruined since 2019.
Get viewership is up, attendence it up in FBS, the schools are making more money than ever before, and there's more fan interest than before.
That spell "success" by any rational or objective measure.
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Legend [6607]
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IPTAY survey
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You left one thing off of your list. Boosters that pay the bills. I want to see the results of the IPTAY survey because boosters that I have talked to are at the end of their ropes. Currently the team has scholarships that have to be funded. People like to take advantage of cheap seats at games but do not want to join IPTAY. Let’s just see how it all plays out.
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Re: IPTAY survey
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:33 PM
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Now worries Bluff says the status quo is sustainable.
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It is for teams that know how to use it
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and that are willing to do so.
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Re: Yes, they do.
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Nov 14, 2024, 1:01 PM
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Do you type or use a microphone to post?
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Game Changer [1845]
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Re: Yes, they do.
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Let's put a caveat to that. Only 14 college football programs made a net profit from football in 2023 according the NCAA.
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Re: The facts called.
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:31 PM
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You don’t know the facts. Keep pretending like all is well. You are naive and that’s grading on a curve.
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B.S.
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:47 PM
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Funny how you can show zero evidence that I'm wrong.
Go ahead. Try, at least.
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Oculus Spirit [44823]
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Re: B.S.
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Man I could talk to you till I’m blue in the face. We are talking NIL rules and reality. Two different things. You can’t grasp reality. What college kid could possibly get paid legitimately 10.5 mill with your federal laws.
Bluff you may be stupid enough to pay 10.5 mill or think this kid has a real NIL deal but just not wrapping my mind around NIL and that kind of cash.
That’s a bagman collecting 10.5 mill and buying said player. If that’s the law then it needs to be changed.
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Paw Master [16725]
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It will be interesting to see, if and when someone tries to impose some
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limits, what the legal outcome will be.
I'm clearly not a lawyer, but I always argued that the NCAA should have every right to dictate the terms of participation in their league. The amount of money the school made was irrelevant. Just like that scene in The Social Network, where Zuckerberg tells the Wilkevoss twins that if they were the inventors of Facebook...they would have invented Facebook...if schools made money because of the players, then the players could have gone out and played in their own league. But they didn't, because they can't, because at the end of the day, I'm a Clemson fan, not an individual player fan. Because the schools were the ones that created the infrastructure to have the popular sport, and hired the best coaching staffs, built the best training facilities, marketed to get the most fans, etc., etc.
Anyway, I see no way, given the current legal rulings, that the genie can be put in the bottle. And maybe it won't need to. Maybe there is no limit to the support fans will give to mega-millionaire "college" kids. No increase they won't pay to support a team regardless of how strained its connection becomes to other students or to the university. It seems to me that we are determined to find out.
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The NCAA can't have rules that violate federal law
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or federal court rulings.
Their rules against direct athlete pay, NIL, and unrestricted transfers all dud that.
As has been stated here many times, without a federal antitrust exemption, the NCAA isn't going to have any kind of control.
Why are so many TNetters so obsessed with controlling other people, how much money they make, their business deals, and their freedom of movement?
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Just like clockwork
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Living rent free in your head...
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Nov 14, 2024, 12:44 PM
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...just like clockwork.
Surprise me. Post something intelligent, meaningful, or congruent with the facts about the legal situation that the NCAA is in.
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Re: Under the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution
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You can’t argue with that dyuv dfgt…He says 2 things in 50 different threads and does not seem to understand that this BS is not NIL.
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Oculus Spirit [44823]
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Re: Living rent free in your head...
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Why should he post something intelligent? Seeing he is responding to you the basics is fine.
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And your reply is demonstrative
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:41 PM
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If you bring an exploitation hoe.
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Oculus Spirit [44823]
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Re: Just like clockwork
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He gets rock hard for some Neon Deion.
Free education room and board and exposure for future employment in the NFL. No one feels sorry for them and no one held a gun to their head and made them do anything.
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Take an ECON 101 class
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:50 PM
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...so you can (hopefully) learn the concept of fair market value.
..if you can get admitted to a college.
What you're shilling isn't it.
"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."
"The NCAA is not above the law."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
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Oculus Spirit [44823]
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Re: Take an ECON 101 class
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Nov 14, 2024, 5:00 PM
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Fair market value😂😂. BS It’s called a bagman collections. I would apparently run circles around your ECON education.
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Paw Master [16725]
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Obviously I already conceded that. Please read.
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My point is that the ruling doesn't make sense to me. Organizations are allowed to limit your activities as a result of being associated with them. I am not permitted to freelance my services in my spare time as long as I work for my current company. That's the deal. They are limiting my ability to make money AS LONG AS I WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. I am, of course, free to quit and try to make more money on my own, but I don't, because I wouldn't make more money. So I make the deal. That's what college football is. Or was. I fail to understand the difference. But again, I'm not a lawyer.
And I am not the one advocating for controlling anyone. You are. I am for the freedom of all parties. I am for the freedom of the NCAA to say "This is what our organization is. This is what we offer, and this is what we ask...should you want to be a part of it." Players should have the freedom to say "No thanks, I'll pass on being on a college team because I can make more money without being associated with you." YOU are the one that is applauding the federal government telling the NCAA how they will operate. YOU are the one obsessed with controlling other people.
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Please comprehend
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Nov 14, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Organizations can't have rules that violate federal law. Otherwise, the Mafia and drug cartels from South of the border could do anything they wished without any repercussions.
"The NCAA is just above the law".
Supreme Court concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
The NCAA lost that case 9-0 in the Supreme Court.
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Autocorrect fail
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"The NCAA is not above the law"?
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Paw Master [16725]
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It's like talking to a wall.***
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Doesn't matter what you say. He just C&P the same stuff over and over.***
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The control freaks keep proposing things that are illegal
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Nov 14, 2024, 1:25 PM
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under federal law, that violate court decisions, and/or require things that don't exist.
That's appalling and embarrassing to Clemson.
The funny thing is that I get very little fact based pushback. It's always just complaints that I keep using the law and the courts to refute the silky, control freak, "we don't like it" childishness here.
Clemson folks are supposed to be smarter than that.
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Paw Master [16725]
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Very good. My guess is "Just out of college, philosophy major", but that's
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admittedly super-presumptuous on my part.
My only advice for you is, assuming you are young (early to mid 20s?), save some of your posts and read them again in 10-15 years. I think you'll enjoy it.
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Wrong again. Consistently so.
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Your obsession with me is laughable.
No go read some court decisions.
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Re: The control freaks keep proposing things that are illegal
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We wish you were but Clemson and Bluff do not seem to go together, so maybe that’s why you are so naive. I think it is Bluff is a Buff.
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Wrong again, Skippy
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I'm a Clemson alum. I use my great Clemson education and the ability to discern to not limit myself to being a sunshine pumper or to pine for the bad old days of athlete exploitation.
I want Clemson to be deep and experienced. I want the Tigers to win every game. How's that working out for the portal and NIL haters and the Dabo cult?
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Re: Wrong again, Skippy
Nov 14, 2024, 5:05 PM
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You don’t sound anything like an alum. You sound like a pathetic troll. And just because people appreciate the class and integrity of a coach Swinney and the success he has brought Clemson it has nothing to do with a cult. That’s a pathetic term used by liberals because they can’t wrap their mind around those that oppose them.
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It's like too many Clemson folks hate the facts***
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And love to shoot the messenger.
Read some court cases and get back to me.
I'll pop some popcorn and wait.
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That would require several things that don't exist.
Nov 14, 2024, 12:54 PM
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1. The antitrust exemption that Tommy Tuberville couldn't get out of committee in the Senate.
2. Employee status for every college athlete.
3. Workers compensation, health insurance, and other employee benefits for all athletes .
4. The right for college athletes to unionize and strike.
5. A 131 team draft. No more recruiting.
6. Trades in which the athlete has oo say.
Are you ready to see Mafah traded to Oregon for two edge rushers and a backup kicker?
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Game Changer [1730]
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Re: That would require several things that don't exist.
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Not necessarily all that bad, the players would have a union and a CBA with the member schools (of likely a new league organization outside the NCAA).
As part of this you don’t have to allow trades or dictate a draft if it’s agreed within the CBA. On the plus side you could get
-Salary caps
-Minimum contract terms (2+ years)
-Redfined redshirt process (or take Dabo’s 5 years and that’s it approach)
-Fixed offseason FA period
-Earlier signing day
-Real tampering penalties
Etc
I’ve always said this would be the Wild West era of CFB, but eventually the schools and networks would band together to form a new breakaway league because the model of right now is totally unsustainable.
These NIL coffers aren’t endless, eventually people are going to be sick of throwing down $10m for a QB who can drive a Lambo but not lead a drive on the field
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Nope. To be right, you'd have to be in agreement
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with the current legal and legislative situation. You aren't.
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Re: The NCAA can't have rules that violate federal law
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You are again are sputtering BS that is unrelated to what is actual truths.
Nothing wrong with a college football QB making 10.5 mill? What logical explanation in true NIL terms is someone getting that kind of money? I’m sure you might not get that if you were actually doing a tv commercial.
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Re: It will be interesting to see, if and when someone tries to impose some
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Well done!!! Exactly!! The players didn’t build the infrastructure that supports schools athletic programs and they didn’t create lifelong fans of schools and they didn’t toil as a coach for two or three decades. It’s heading for a spectacular implosion and complete lack of interest with all but 3-5 programs who probably will have discontinued the whole student part of the game by then. If ESPN shaped it, it is destined to fail.
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That BarStool Founder guy already said he'd pay whatever to get the best players
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Re: Another big hit to college football
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If we are going to pay players now then when they commit to a school for a dollar amount they should have to sign a contract for at least 2 years. That would lock in the commitment and keep from jumping to the portal every year for another pay day. Also if a school misses and the player sucks then they are still stuck with him for another year. This legally can be done.
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No, it can't.
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The Ohio vs NCAA decisions says it can't.
Athletes have the right to unrestricted transfers just like every other college student
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They can transfe and go to class, they just can't play football***
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Yes, they can.
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The Ohio vs NCAA case says they can.
That's why they are getting immediate practice and playing time now.
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Not if they sign something agreeing that if they leave they cannot compete
Nov 14, 2024, 3:38 PM
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against the school with any other FBS school.
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The NCAA can't force a non compete
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Because transfers under the NCAA.
In other words, the NCAA can't have a rule that a transfer within its umbrella can force a non compete with another entity under the same umbrella.
It's also discriminatory. It would penalize athletes compared to non athletes.
That includes that it would disproportionately penalize athletes. Given that athletes have a much higher proportion of minorities than non athletes, it opens the door for tons more lawsuits based in disparate impact.
Anyone that doesn't like the results of the Sherman Antitrust Act lawsuits is going to hate the likely results of Civil Rights Act lawsuits.
The schools can't force a non compete based on the Ohio vs NCAA decisions that enjoins the NCAA and it's subordinate entities from interfering with, restricting, or punishing unlimited athlete transfers. The sole exception is for academic non qualifiers.
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If the NCAA could legally do that,
Nov 14, 2024, 5:34 PM
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They would already have done it.
The don't try it because it's a born loser in court. They can't afford any more legal costs or monetary penalties after the BILLIONS they owe from the House case settlement and the other cases they have lost.
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Re: No, it can't.
Nov 14, 2024, 4:51 PM
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So are we going by state or federal laws. You talk one in one post and then throw Ohio or Tennessee in there. I could give 2 shizz about Ohio or their laws. I don’t live there.
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Re: No, it can't.
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Ohio vs NCAA is a federal case heard in West Virginia. The ruling in that case stopped the NCAA from interfering with or punishing unlimited athlete transfers. The Ohio State attorney general filed the case.
Several other state attorney generals joined Ohio in the lawsuit.
Tennessee vs NCAA is the case that won the injunction that prevents the NCAA from interfering with or punishing private NIL.
The state AG fined that case. The Virginia AG joined that case. The final ruling has not been decided, but federal judge in that case stated in the injunction that the states were likely to win their case based on the merits.
Ergo, anything current that the NCAA does that violates those rulings is going to get them smacked down and get huge financial decisions against them for contempt of court
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Re: Another big hit to college football
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These things may find a balance point. Like Cleveland probably regrets paying DW4 a huge guaranteed contract, Underwood has to go show the boosters he is worthy of the expense.
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The market will decide, but the NFL isn't pertinent******
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They could pay him 100 million for all I care. I hope he gets all he can. He can easily end up like Alex Smith at his first practice or his first game. And the head coach will still get is yearly multi-million dollar paycheck.
The generation today is not going to settle for a free car, a job for mom or dad, a $100 handshake after each game and all the sorority girls you want.
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It's just a big hit to anything
Nov 14, 2024, 1:26 PM
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Pure free market economics.
The market will decide.
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It's disgusting and shameless.***
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Re: It's disgusting and shameless
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Nov 14, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Like you were every time you changed jobs?
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Hall of Famer [8160]
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Re: Another big hit to college football
Nov 14, 2024, 2:12 PM
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Some fat lsu oil alum has a much lighter wallet now. lol
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CU Medallion [18196]
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nice..at least michigan isnt handcuffing
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Nov 14, 2024, 4:20 PM
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themselves by not taking advantage of tools available to make their team better
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Oculus Spirit [44823]
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Re: nice..at least michigan isnt handcuffing
Nov 14, 2024, 5:12 PM
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You don’t have a clue what Clemson is or isn’t doing. Our players that actually wanted to come to Clemson are receiving monies. We are just not going out and throwing 5 million to the next up and comer. I have heard from a #### good reliable source that Dabo is very loyal to his players and that the players love that about Dabo. So go spout that BS somewhere else or go pull for Colorado. At least you would not have to get on here and whine and #####.
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Varsity [104]
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False Dilemma.
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Nov 14, 2024, 6:21 PM
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Pathetic.
Then you threw in an Appeal to Anonymous Source fallacy.
Whining and bitching here? That's Exactly what you're doing. It's nauseating hypocrisy. 🤮🤮🤮
Clemson folks are supposed to be smarter than that.
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Orange Blooded [2529]
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Re: Another big hit to college football
Nov 14, 2024, 6:27 PM
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No doubt a lot of donors will have buyers remorse when paying incoming freshman $Xmillion.
If the current compensation models were around when DJU came out of school, no doubt he would have gone to a higher bidder. We would have ended up with an alternate QB that would have very likely been much better than DJU.
I like Dabo’s model.
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