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While they are arresting the Michigan parents
Dec 5, 2021, 1:10 PM
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guess they'll be rounding up the parents of all the gang-bangers out there.
They may have to convert all the K&W cafeterias into holding cells.
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Read up on the enabling scum they are
Dec 5, 2021, 1:13 PM
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I’m not for arresting parents for the actions of a child but in this case they are guilty too. Pure scum that enabled his actions.
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Re: Read up on the enabling scum they are
Dec 5, 2021, 1:21 PM
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Yep…they obviously had their suspicions and could have stopped the whole thing.
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I don't really know enough details to have formed an opinion
Dec 5, 2021, 3:13 PM
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yet as to the parents' culpability here, so not defending them, nor saying they are guilty of enabling him. I am curious as to what exactly they knew, and what they could have done differently.
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Agree. And clem has a point. If we arrest parents because
Dec 5, 2021, 3:51 PM
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they are lax about weapons in the house, or because of 'signs' they ignored - and maybe we should indeed arrest them - the jails are going to be full of inner city parents. Or do we hold accountable only middle class parents? The holier-than-thous might want to be careful on this one.
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I mean, it's one thing if they knew their son was thinking
Dec 5, 2021, 7:43 PM
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about killing people, then just said "Here, here's a gun. It's yours. Do with it as you please", or if they knew he was considering killing people, then when he was caught searching the internet for ammo while at school to carry out the deed they said "just don't get caught", then of course they are responsible. On the other hand, if they knew their son had emotional problems, but not necessarily homicidal thoughts, and they bought him a gun with the intention of teaching him proper gun safety and only letting him handle it when they were with him, then that's a different thing altogether. Then there are a whole range of possibilities in between. Maybe more details are known, but if not, it's impossible to say too much about his parents, much less that they are responsible.
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CPS was called on them more than once
Dec 5, 2021, 8:01 PM
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they would go to bars when he was like 10 and leave him home alone.
They told him to “learn to not get caught” searching for ammo at school.
They are culpable.
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Hold on just a dang minute ...
Dec 5, 2021, 8:48 PM
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I had not heard that they left him alone when he was 10 to go to bars, but let's say that's true. Let's follow the logic:
1. Parents leave 10 year old child alone to go to bar.
2. Years later child goes on a killing spree.
3. Therefore, parents resonsible.
Give me a break. Probably not good parents, but not responsible for murder.
How exactly does the parents telling him not to get caught searching the internet at school for ammo make them responsible? Think about it - if they knew he was thinking about killing people, then yes, it should have set off all kinds of alarm bells. But, if they didn't know he was contemplating something like that (I'm not saying they didn't - I don't know), but thought he was just harmlessly goofing off on the internet (and yes, lot's of perfectly normal teens who legally and safely shoot guns look at guns and ammo on the internet) they may have not thought much of it. Yes, I would have scolded my kids for browsing the internet while at school when they should have been doing school stuff, absolutely, but if you don't think hundreds of thousands of school kids aren't doing that every day ...
Like I said, I have no idea if these parents were good parents or bad parents, based on what I know so far, or based on anything you have presented. It's easy to judge. They may be terrible parents, and they may share blame in this. I'm just pointing out that it's easy to rush to judgement based on a very incomplete picture, and it's really easy and convenient to point the finger at parents for kids that go off the rails.
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He was drawing guns and dead people
Dec 5, 2021, 9:26 PM
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At school. The teachers were concerned. The parents had JUST bought him a gun. They knew he was troubled and he was troubled due to their lack of parenting. He also killed 4 people due to their lack of parenting and getting him counseling. Gross negligent manslaughter is made for this situation.
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How many parents / spouses / children of serial killers are
Dec 5, 2021, 9:40 PM
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in the lockup because of what they knew ?
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Re: How many parents / spouses / children of serial killers are
Dec 5, 2021, 9:42 PM
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More should be….that is the point. Want to take steps to avoid this, start holding the right people accountable. Had that gun been locked up and that boy had counseling, we wouldn’t even be talking about Oxford MI.
Their gross negligence is unavoidable in this situation.
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You make great points. My point is that if we consistently
Dec 5, 2021, 11:00 PM
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and equitably apply that principle, we are going to have a sh**load of inner city parents in jail, and the mantra of 'mass incarceration' will start again.
I had a friend sentenced last week to 3 years for drug distribution. He should have been sentenced, and he will be a poster child for the workings of 2-for-1 days if he works while in jail, etc. Should be out in a little over a year. He has lessons to learn, but he has learned that one, I can tell you. But if he had merely broken into a Cartier store in San Fransisicao and made off with whatever he could put in a pillowcase, he would be fine. The misapplication of law is tearing us apart, creating distrust from which we will not recover.
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Not necessarily - that's the problem. Some serial killers
Dec 6, 2021, 12:20 AM
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spent time in counseling to no avail. There are a lot of bad kids out there whose parents did everything the right way, and did everything they possibly could, but their kid still went off the rails. It happens all of the time.
You are basically telling me that the parents knew that this kid has suicidal or homicidal tendencies and should not have had access to a gun, but that they knowingly gave him free access to that gun anyway, or failed to secure the gun to prevent him from accessing it. If all of that is true, you probably have a point; I'm not sure it is.
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And the morning of had a meeting with teachers and admin
Dec 6, 2021, 9:53 AM
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who were concerned about him drawing and claiming he was going to kill people and the parents DEMANDED they put him back in class immediately.
Shortly after he started shooting people.
Admin should also be liable for not searching him.
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Re: Read up on the enabling scum they are
Dec 5, 2021, 5:50 PM
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I've always been in favor of holding parents accountable at least until the kid is 18. It's an old conservative ideology called accountability. In the halcyon days when I voted for Reagan, Thurmond, and the like, it meant something to Republicans.
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Re: While they are arresting the Michigan parents
Dec 5, 2021, 2:14 PM
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I do love me some K & W Cafeteria!
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Re: While they are arresting the Michigan parents
Dec 5, 2021, 8:00 PM
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They wouldn’t find a whole lot of fathers
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