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An argument about the portal I don't understand.
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An argument about the portal I don't understand.

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Jan 13, 2022, 11:50 AM

Dislcaimer: I don't like the portal the way it is currently designed. I think it is bad for college football. But, I don't like it for different reasons than the reason I'm trying to explain below. I just don't buy the argument I'm about to repeat.

The argument that I hear an awful lot goes like this:

The portal is bad for football because it takes scholarships away from HS kids. Schools are just going to sign kids through the portal and not recruit HS kids. Every time a school signs a portal guy it reduces the number of spots available for HS by one.

Reason I don't buy it is this: At best the transfer portal is a net zero game. If a kid transfers from school A to school B that reduces a spot for B, but it opens a spot for A.

If 100 kids enter the portal and all 100 sign with another school, it closes 100 spots at the schools who signed them but opens 100 spots at the schools who lost them. Some schools may sign more than they lose while others lose more than they sign. But, it all evens out.

Feel free to poke holes in my logic.

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Jan 13, 2022, 11:56 AM

Sounds correct but we are currently in the red so our take may be a little different.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:05 PM

Agree; the question is how many give up their' academic' opportunity in hand by going to the portal and not coming back out? I'm guessing 90% or higher of portal jumpers could not give a crap about academics.

Maybe I'm too old school, but if you get "paid' you don't play college sports. NFL needs a minor league that is not colleges. YMMV.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:10 PM

I agree. I have been saying this for a while too. Now, 2020 covid year where everyone gets a free year certainly hurt high school kids. Having 4 classes that potentially get a 6th year has and will continue to hurt high school kids for a few years.

I know several kids that were getting looks in the 10th grade. Covid came in their 11th grade (2020)and camps were shut down, games were cancelled and then all the college guys got a free year. Recruiting for that group came to a halt!- Sad for those athletes. They missed out on a lot.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:25 PM

There are plenty of D2 and small D1 schools that will recruit those high school kids.

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Agree on the face of it but this does not account for the

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:14 PM

geography of it. Take SCAR, for instance, who has used the portal 4 or 5 times in recent weeks to fill holes. They filled slots with out of state guys that they may have otherwise filled with instate recruits. I am not sure if OK recruits SC effectively for QB/WR, so while there are still open slots, it may affect local kids in high school negatively.

But you are right about zero sum, and if the SC recruits are quality recruits, someone will take advantage. Heck, maybe a SC quarterback who might have been a walkon instate or signed with a smaller school, gets the opportunity instead to play for a P5 program in another state. Who knows?

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:27 PM

If you know a player in SC as good as Rattler is supposed to be please share with Dabo because we need him.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:16 PM

Many are doing great with the portal, but others are giving up a scholarship and an education. It's a shame. They've just made it too easy for these young men to make a hasty decision.

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Its more of them losing options at certain positions


Jan 13, 2022, 12:21 PM

For example, I think the low 4-star, high 3-star QB and RB are going to find their mid-level P5 offers dry up a little bit due to those schools like Michigan St., UofSC, FSU, etc. signing 6-8 guys from the portal every year. They likely will have to accept an offer they feel is below them to either a low P5 school (Duke, Vandy, Kansas, Oregon St.) or a mid-level group of 5 (like ECU).
So the real high end guys that everyone would want to sign will see no impact. But there have been several anonymous coaches quoted as saying they won't take a QB prospect unless he is a no-doubter. They'd rather grab a guy from the portal who is then locked into the 2nd school and can't transfer again without sitting out a year.
I'd be shocked if linemen see this type of issue just due to the shear number of players at those positions that each team need.

Then you also have schools at the very low level like Texas St. (I think) who don't intend to sign HS players. They only want to mine the portal. So this impacts the guys that are on the fringe of the FBS/FCS line. I think it is this group of player that could be impacted the most in the short term.
For example, if Georgia St. has the option of a low-3/2-star HS player or of signing a transfer 4 star from a P5 school, they are probably going to sign the transfer. The low 3/2-star then has to shift down to Mercer/Furman/Wofford.

The ultimate end game may be to cap the number of transfers that a school can accept and put on scholarship for a 4-year period. If that would be legal. If not, they will have to adjust the APR formula to punish those schools to create a workaround to the legal issues.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:21 PM

I agree. College football and basketball is now bid for players. HS and portal. Basically a NFL and NBA minor pro league. Baseball not affected because best players get drafted then bonuses to go to the minor leagues out if high school and college. Major league baseball pays the tab.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:39 PM

Baseball is definitely affected.

First of all, minor league baseball pay is a joke so a school only has to compete with whatever a player's initial signing bonus would be.

Schools who are willing to pay big NIL for baseball can convince their high school draft picks to ignore the couple hundred thousand signing bonus to come double that in college and get developed to take a shot at an even bigger signing bonus after 3-4 years.

Miss St already has a fund set up to pay their entire baseball roster a set amount per semester they are on the roster. The players are all free to add to that number individually just like anywhere else.

I am sure they are not the only ones.

It won't keep the million dollar babies from signing in the draft but if it keeps their 5-15th round guys from signing straight out of high school it will be a huge boost to their overall talent.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:39 PM

If your argument is correct, it will actually open up more spots for high school kids since everyone who enters the portal will not find a home. ?????

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the flaw in your reasoning is 100 in .. 100 out

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:41 PM

high rated athletes, HS or portal, will find homes no matter what and those seem to be the only ones people care about.


kids can stay in the portal forever. so it just keeps stock piling players w/o burning eligibility. coaches may look at a 3 star kid in the portal (who has experience) over a lower rated HS kid when filling those last spots in their recruiting class. . Could tank walk on scholies too.


Portal has only been messed up for about 2 years so we'll see the impact eventually.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:47 PM

Jumping on board with Gville Tiger. Not a one in-one out especially at some P5 schools who may greatly reduce high school scholarships.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:49 PM

It doesn't matter if a player is in or out of the portal, they only get 5 years from their 1st enrollment in college to play 4 years on the field.

COVID exemption is not included in this as it has created a brief period of 6 years to play 5, but it only has a few seasons left before everyone affected has phased out.

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:57 PM

sit out and still be recruited if he/she never ended up on a team?


I like to believe you are correct about covid.. but history has shown us.. once you give something to some 1 it is very hard to take it back.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:37 PM

This may not completely go along with the discussion, but it is a thing in baseball for high school kids who don't mature as early as others to attempt to take a "gap year" and train to get stronger and be more appealing to college baseball coaches.

I have not dealt with an athlete personally who has done this, but from afar it appears to have mixed results in terms of players finding a place after sitting out of school for year.

I would say that anything more than a year of sitting out would all but eliminate an athlete from consideration to be recruited in the future.

The problem is that once a person enrolls in a college, whether they are on a sports team or not, their eligibility clock starts to tick.

There are 5 calendar years to complete the 4 allowed years of performance once initial enrollment takes place.

The COVID exemption for eligibility stated that all fall and winter athletes who were enrolled in school during the 20-21 school year would not have that year counted against their calendar. The entire year was ignored from an eligibility standpoint.

Spring sports got the same designation for the spring of 2020.

Once all athletes who were enrolled during those seasons have exhausted their eligibility, then every athlete will fall back under the rule of 5 calendar years to play 4 years of collegiate athletics.

It's not so much something that can be taken back or extended unless the NCAA determines that another athletic season is so impacted by COVID that it shouldn't count against the athletes who were trying to compete.

I would imagine that would be highly unlikely as it is not the high profile athletes who are rewarded with that extra year because they move on professionally.

All of these new rules (NIL and the no-wait portal) are designed to benefit the elite athletes that are making headlines and getting the publicity. They are not protecting the average athlete who is just trying to make it through college playing their sport.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:38 PM

I think it will reduce DI FBS offers to HS kids. But it will increase FCS and DII offers. Guys will prove themselves at the lower levels and then move up leaving their spots to be filled by HS kids. I can imagine this really being a thing with linemen. Let them learn and grow stronger for a year or two at Furman or Wofford then snap them up. Much safer than gambling on HS guys who are at least a year away from being strong enough to play.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:42 PM



kids can stay in the portal forever. so it just keeps stock piling players w/o burning eligibility



Your eligibility clock keeps ticking while you are in the portal...

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Jan 13, 2022, 12:46 PM

Right now the portal is taking away scholarships from high school kids, but that is a limited time problem.

Schools are are opting to take 5th and 6th year transfers exercising their COVID year are choosing to take those mature players instead of high school kids.

Without the COVID year, those old guys would be done and there would be more spots for high school kids.

It's the free year that is the culprit and not the portal.

Once the COVID guys pass through college then things should return to normal a little more for high school recruiting.

I think the biggest group hurt by the portal is going to be junior college football players.

When coaches have the option of high school guys, 4 year school transfer guys, and junior college players, the junior college guys are going to get the short end of the stick because they aren't going to be in the program as long as a high school prospect and they won't have seen the competition that the 4 year transfer has seen.

The will be stuck as the second best long term option and second best short term fix as well.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:03 PM

Consider the downside to why kids transfer. Was it education? Was it playing time? Was it because a coach left? SO many of them are only focused on a career in the NFL or the quick satisfaction of NIL contracts.

Now consider the money. At one point a few weeks ago there were 2000 football players in the portal. If you pay them they will come. Some coaches will promise the moon and student athletes are young decision makers who will make mistakes. Sometimes they are not the right fit for an organization and should have the opportunity to go to where they will have a chance to be successful. There are exceptions (like Mario G) who will be fine if they stay the course and trust the process but its hard to convince some people of that. Luring athletes with the chance of making big NIL money has already started. One QB has been offered one million to go to a new school and Texas is now paying 50K for offensive linemen. It's not easy to win a bowl game with 28 missing scholarship athletes and its not simply replacing one when you lose one. HS kids will be affected but not necessarily for the reason you suggest. One QB already got a million to skip his senior year but again then number of athletes getting money is very low. What is wrong with the portal is that it is without limits and less controlled than free agency in the NFL.

If you want to make it work then have some structure and guidelines that enhance the athlete experience, teach fiscal responsibility, doesn't allow for kids to jump ship before the season is over, and rewards commitments. Otherwise the long term cost to the sport will be devastating.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:34 PM

One more time for all you slow learners, Texas is not paying any player and neither is any other school. Sure schools may know about donors or companies that hire players but the money does not come the school.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:23 PM

You are correct and the only schools that will greatly use the portal and the majority of 2nd and 3rd team guys in it are the schools that also cannot recruit better than that.

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Jan 13, 2022, 1:40 PM

The portal has helped FSU, Gamecocks, and several teams we played this year.However I think the extra covid year has really disrupted things. Neither Wake nor Pitt would have won their divisions if not for so many 6 year players this year. I personally will be glad when we get thru those 6 year guys.

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Jan 13, 2022, 4:00 PM

Imagine the mayhem if the portal replaces HS recruiting? Could a Freshman enter the portal straight out of HS?

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Jan 13, 2022, 4:02 PM

How would that be any different than being a HS recruit?

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Jan 13, 2022, 4:07 PM

If a kid commits to the school with a big NIL deal and than transfers does that kid basically take the money and run? Does he have to pay it back? Does the NIL carry to the other school?

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Jan 13, 2022, 4:11 PM

NIL is not tied to the school, it is tied to the player. Asking "does it transfer to another school" is really not the right question.

Whether or not the player sacrifices his existing NIL agreements would be dependent on each individual contract, which is between the player and whomever he signed with.

Some of the NIL offers have already gotten smart enough to say payments are spread out over 3 years and only valid as long as you are enrolled at Wherever University. Or, you must return your free truck if you transfer.

Some others probably don't say that at all. DJU and Bojangles, for example...maybe Bojangles signed him to a lump-sum deal for 1 year of advertising.

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