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TNET: When a win feels like a loss: Tigers show there is still work to be done

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:01 AM

 
When a win feels like a loss: Tigers show there is still work to be done

It hasn’t been a secret that the Clemson football program has been on a fast track to the College Football Playoff this season, but the defense that showed up Saturday night in Death Valley won’t win any national championships. Full Story »


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Nov 25, 2018, 9:05 AM

Feels like a 3 touchdown win to me. Ho hum.

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Re: TNET: When a win feels like a loss: Tigers show there is still work to be done

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:35 AM

To be totally honest, the players look disinterested in playing this game. Here's a few factors i believed contributed to this lack luster win.

1) 7:00 PM game
2) It was extremely cold
3) Looking ahead to Pittsburgh, it's hard to get pumped up for little brother
4) Tre Lemar was out
5) We played like we knew we were winning
6) Vegas rules, the line was -26, Clemson won by 21, Vegas wins again
5) The coots played out of their mind

This actually would have been a more lopsided game if not for a few plays:
1) Amari Rodgers phantom call
2) The weird defensive penalty on #99 Clelan Ferrell (Never seen that ever...)
3) 2-3 obvious PI calls on USC
4) SEC refs (All i have to say)
5) 2 missed interceptions by Tanner Muse

In my opinion, i would not read too much into this game. Just my two cents.

We'll probably beat Pittsburgh by 50 next Saturday...A win is still a win.

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:39 PM

+1 bc after the clock expires at the end of the 4th Qtr and the team ahead in points is the winner, and I give that anyone who believes a win is win bc it is. As stated last night, I feel like we lost something, not the game, but a lot of respect from it being said that we had the best D in the country, and that feeling now makes me feel kinda empty bc, the best defense never gives up that many yards through the air against your most hated rival unless maybe they were ranked #1 in the country in passing yards, but they wasn't.

They (coots) played against a team that played against a weak Chattanooga team that is in 4th place in the Southern conference, and they won 49-9, and Bentley only threw for 339 yards against Chattanooga in the brice. The very next week he comes into our house, and he throws for 510 yards under a defining crowd noise. Our fan base done their job, and our D didn't, and our front 4 that is said to be the best in college FB couldn't get to Bentley unless he just held onto the ball to long, and that wasn't very often!!!

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:55 PM

List all the excuses you want. Championship caliber teams don’t go to sleep.... usually

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Re: TNET: When a win feels like a loss: Tigers show there is still work to be done

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Nov 25, 2018, 2:16 PM


List all the excuses you want. Championship caliber teams don’t go to sleep.... usually




So should we give our 2016 natty trophy back because we slept on Pitt? Should Bama give back last year’s trophy cause they slept on Auburn? The list is long for championship teams who lost or played down to inferior competition. You may not be aware but bringing your A game every week is difficult.

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Re: Championship caliber teams don't "sleep"

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Nov 26, 2018, 9:48 AM

I am guessing you are referring to all the 15-0 teams over the past several..... Oh, wait... there are none! Every team to win the championship in the playoff era has lost at least one game. 12-0 is not sleeping and beating your in-state rival by 3 TDs is pretty freaking awesome. 70 wins overall... 5 in a row... 12-0... That's State Championship Caliber 100%

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Nov 26, 2018, 2:14 AM

I wonder how many people complaining the loudest had money riding on the game?

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Yep ... worst David Hood piece ever. Sounded a bit like his

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Nov 25, 2018, 3:58 PM

like his "Dabo is not the right choice for Clemson." story way back when he was new with Tiger Net.

Our defense had a bad night against the long pass, but they did hold them out of the EZ twice from inside the 5 yard line when Muschamp made it 4-down territory.

We had a bad game against the Pitt shovel pass a couple of years ago. We fixed that and we'll fix this.

Too much moaning and groaning by fans and pundits.

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Amen brother! I’ve called David Hood our on that many times

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Nov 26, 2018, 1:13 AM

on that same article. Thought I was the only one that remembered! Once he even had a back and forth with me in it and acted like he never wrote such an article. Lol. He wants to act like he’s “All In” now that Dabo has helped make him (I.e., that stupid “confetti in my eyes article), but he’s just a beat writer out for a click on his link. And willing to either make stuff up or use anonymous and outrageous sources to get said clicks. What a shame.

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:17 AM

I'm sorry this is an asinine article. Let me ask a question, which defense do you think is the real one and which one is the outlier? The defense that has played almost all season in the top 5 and top 15 in most if not all the defensive categories or the one game against your bitter in-state rival when emotions are extremely high? The defense that plays sound fundamentally sound almost all season or the one game they looked lost and busted all over? I don't know about y'all but it is hard to play that type of defense week in and week out and yes it was the worst possible time to play that way not because of the yardage and the 35 you gave up but because of who it was. What do they say about rivalry games all the time, you throw the record books out the window because some weird and wacky things can and tend to happen. Thats because of all the emotions dealt with in a rivalry. Not one person on this Earth though Bama would lose to Auburn last year but they did. No one would believe that yesterday was Georgia's first win at home against Georgia Tech in the last 3 games there. Or how about ND beating USC by one touchdown. Like the article mentioned being the #1 defense in Michigan and getting ran out of the house allowing 62 points and a load of yards. Things happen and there is nothing more that the Lamecocks wanted more than to make sure Clemson didn't reel off a 5 game win streak of their own. All I ask is to not over analyse it because it was one game that has more meaning than any other game on the schedule where guys tend to try and do more and where fluke things tend to happen. To me it is a blessing in disguise because it allows Clemson to refocus and realize they have to play better like they have almost all season and not the one outlier everyone is going to freak out about.

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:33 AM

Excellent post.......your comments are the only SANE ones I've read so far.

I'll take the 3 touchdown win and sleep well again tonight.....especially since we Tiger fans no longer have to listen to the 5 in-a-row crap from the SHAMECOCKS. We have removed that phrase from their feeble minds FOREVER! All you whining Clemson fans need to get a grip. SHEEEESH !

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:58 AM

I am glad to see that there are still many that disagree with David Hoods comments on this game. Dabo would certainly not agree with him. I like all of you, agree. This is still a rivalry game it's SC and any and everything can happen. Our defense doesn't need a lot of work. They just need to go back to playing like they have all year. Like the winners they are. I for one have no doubts that they will.

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:13 PM

The defense had a bad game. So what? The narrative of “Clemson can’t compete with the mikes of Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins, or Tua T. With a defensive performance like this” seems to forget one thing: the Clemson offense. What has the OSU or OU defense shown, this entire year, to illustrate they would be able to stop Clemson’s offense either? They haven’t. It was one game, and Clemson gave up 600 yards of offense and 35 points, but they still WON THE GAME by 21. This was the FIRST GAME ALL YEAR in which an opponent scored a TD in the first quarter. Think about that. Think about how hard that is to do. Good grief
The defense had a bad game. The real issue is that some Clemson fans and media seem to think that if Clemson doesn’t win every game 52-3, then something “is definitely wrong.” ??. People seem to forget that we are ONLY FIVE YEARS removed from a FIVE GAME LOSING STREAK to South Carolina, and we are only seven years removed from a 70-33 thrashing in the Orange Bowl. Furthermore, ONLY EIGHT YEARS AGO, Clemson didn’t even have a winning season. Lastly, Clemson is about to play for its FOURTH ACC TITLE IN A ROW. I’m 40 years old. I have faithfully followed Clemson football since 1986-87. The Tigers didn’t win the conference for 20 flipping years. They are about to play for their FOURTH ONE IN FOUR YEARS. Some people have TOTALLY lost perspective. Dabo is right. Calm down, disgruntled folks.

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:56 AM

Great post and spot on. I'll take 21 point win and be happy.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:07 AM

I give you a TU because I believe it could be the blessing in disguise as well. Get their attention to refocusing on technique and proper angles and not playing outside themselves as I saw last night. I was disgusted with our defense but it's still a great win.

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ZONE DEFENSE / SOFT COVERAGE

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:22 AM

I have noticed a pattern within our defense. When we run zone with soft coverage one of a four things happen.

1. The Front Four gets a sack or a tackle for loss because there's a mismatch between our defensive line and the opponent's offensive line.
2. The opponent throws an interception due to the pressure from the front four of our defensive line.
3. The opponent throws an incomplete pass due to the pressure from the front four of our defensive line.
4. The opponent throws a pass for considerable yardage due to having a WR wide open.


We play best out of the nickel package on press cover two or three. We need to get back to playing assignment football. Our secondary needs to cover their man and stick to him like glue. When they do that, the QB cannot throw a pass accurately because no WRs are open. So, either the pocket collapses and the QB gets sacked or is forced to throw it away to prevent a sack.

This was also an issue during the Duke game and the Louisville game. Our secondary has created a pattern of leaving WRs open on an island all by themselves. We've been burned several times by wide open receivers. Something has to be done about this, it has to be corrected or else it won't be us holding up the Oculus Trophy on January 7th, it will be someone else. That's a cold hard fact, and a hard pill to swallow for many. Nonetheless, it is the truth.

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:04 AM

Should have known CP would come through with the correct answers. Kudos to mr dhood for writing a great review/article that’s easy to draw the ire and jump on the bandwagon against it.

But he’s right. It was a complete chit show from our defense. It started up front with uninspired pass rush and losing containment. We tackled poor all night. We let one playmaker beat us.

We lost our leverage with all our DB’s. We were out of position all night and we haven’t learned since cuse and pitt 16 that when tempo is played, we cannot get our D set and the coaches can’t get the plays in on time.

Sorry folks, TD all you want but that’s one thing that sets little nikki saban apart. He won’t allow players to not play fundamentals. Now, in his defense, he’ll jerk you in a minute if you aren’t and has two more waiting to replace you.

We didn’t play team D. Lined up wrong, just blew assignments and dhood is correct. If we want higher goals, we better get it corrected fast. I just hope it was coachspeak all week that Dabo praises what great practice we had... maybe we did and when the lights went on, we stargazed.

What concerns me is muscoot told us all week what our weaknesses were and what he hoped he could do, and he did it. Also said clemson O would have to give them some breaks. Thank the Good Lord we didn’t on O.

Go Tigers!!!!!

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:10 AM

Got a little bit on your chin coach!

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:05 PM

I am no DC, but even w/ my limited football IQ, it seemed like Wallace and Muse were caught multiple times watching Bentley instead of the WR running wide open between them.

In fact most of the deep balls against us to me feel like they have been to a route that cuts in to the middle about that area.

Is that something to do w/ discipline/miscommunication between those two?

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Nov 25, 2018, 3:48 PM

I could not agree more with your assessment. And, I also agree that this is not the first time the problems have been obvious (but not to the extent of last night). It is an accurate and hard look at reality. Either we get this coverage issue fixed or the playoffs are going to be disappointing.

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good pts, Hope it's that simple...


Nov 26, 2018, 3:27 AM

2 things of concern going into the CFP: Half time adjustments didn't correct the problem & the personnel will be far superior to that of USuC

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

D Hood, your articles are almost always excellent. This one missed the mark. The above post is much more to the proper point. Anyone who think last night's game felt like a loss is pretty much a loser.

The offense was awesome and easily could of racked up more points and first downs without bad officiating. I choose bad versus questionable. Even the announcers stated categorically the 2 PI calls were bad. Why don't they mix league officials instead of going with the visiting teams league officials, if that's what they do. Better yet, go to another conference and take out inherent bias.

The D was poorly prepared or just didn't play sound fundamentals all night, except in the goal line stands. My only disappointment was the timid line rush and blitzing calls, and yeah, total missed DB/S assignments; worst I remember in years.

Point is, our Tigers are 5-0 against the gcocks by a convincing 21 point margin. And yes Muschump, we beat 2 SEC teams in 2018 and have for several years.

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:12 AM

Not sure how you can question what dhood is saying. He’s not saying he feels like it is a loss, just using that metaphor for the bigger point of winning the big prise. Yeah it was bad officiating but I really don’t like blaming stuff on the refs. That to me is a loser tude to blame the refs.

The only thing that feels like a loss is the complete chit show from our D. Happened in aTm game and hasn’t been corrected since. We’ve just masked it well with crappy competition we’ve played.

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:46 PM

Never blamed the refs; just stated the obvious. Both calls were bad and if they never happened the score would have been higher. We won by 21. As to our competition, no one in the FBS can claim pristine competition cause scheduling long before changes happen, like the fall of the Noles, and injuries. It's not fair or accurate to say our competition has been crappy, imo.

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Nov 25, 2018, 2:06 PM

Yes, lets not blame the Refs for Clelin Ferrell changing his set spot on the d-line even though it's absolutely a legal move if you do the way the Refs prefers it to be done. And lets not blame the Refs bc Amari ran to close to a defender that he don't touch, and lets not blame the Refs for watching a defender all over Ross with no attempt at looking for the ball. It's not the Refs job to do his job, it's just not his fault.

I just can't agree with your assessment of the Refs in this game my friend, it was just to blatant to who the refs were siding with in the game!!! Conference affiliation shouldn't have had any bearing on how they done their JOB, and I don't feel it was the case in our game bc it was clear from the beginning that the coots were getting away with a ton of should have been called that just wasn't happening, and it was just tooooo Clear, that is what they were doing!!!!

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Nov 25, 2018, 8:36 PM

If you look at what i day, i blame the refs for blowing calls. They were crap. I should have said the refs aren’t something you can control. As Dabo always says you have to overcome that. Fortunate it doesn’t cost us a game...

Ive always respect your and eagles perspective. I also don’t like calling someone an idiot because of a post or opinion.

As for crappy competition, we couldn’t control that either. As for not getting it fixed, we had a problem in the aTm game, the Pitt game 16, and the cuse game 17, anf this game getting defensive signals in quick enough when teams go tempo. That and wearing down teams is why teams go tempo. More accurately, we’ve played teams with quick release qbs poorly if they have a decent oline.

That’s all I was saying about us not correcting that problem. Few teams can. In fact, the only team I can think that does is bama. Their DB’s are on the receivers like glue.... rarely do you ever see busts. DW4 had to play an unbelievable game to beat them. That and our receivers played lights out.

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Nov 25, 2018, 6:14 PM

You’re an idiot. Keep talking so everyone will know it.

“Hasn’t been corrected since.”

Good grief. Pay attention. If you want to talk about a loser attitude, look in the mirror.

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:10 PM

"The D was poorly prepared or just didn't play sound fundamentals all night, except in the goal line stands. My only disappointment was the timid line rush and blitzing calls, and yeah, total missed DB/S assignments; worst I remember in years."


Did you notice the cut blocking scheme they had on the first play w/ their entire OLine falling into the DLine?

Maybe we did not go aggressive because we did not need to and did not want to risk a big DLine injury from those cut blocks scar apparently had been working on.

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:11 PM

Well the finale score says we won, but our D did lose and thank God that our offense was out standing for a change, and TL has a lot to do with that. The bogus PI call against Amari was a TD called back, and the no PI call with the defender hanging all over Justin Ross would have been a TD if the defender hadn't been draped over him almost pulling him to the ground. Just those two plays were 14 points that the Refs just flat out stole, and I think most of us would feel better with the 70 points that we should've had if not for SEC Refs helping out an SEC team if you want to consider the coots as a true SEC team, I don't consider them as that even though they wear the SEC logo patch!!!

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:47 PM

I guess I'm sorry you disagree with Muschump, who by the way has been a coach of two losing SEC teams. By the numbers, the Tigers have been 18-10 against the SEC team of Columbia, if my numbers are right. Not too bad for one ACC team who plays the vaunted SEC (gag). Get real Mussy.

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:11 AM

One bad game is a data point and two bad games starts a trend. Giving up almost a 1000 yards passing in 2 games (SC and TA&M) is concerning. Whether both those teams just played out of their minds because it's a rivalry game or a team looking for a signature win, there is a problem. The Tigers have more talent than Pitt and if they come to play will take care of business next Saturday. If you don't believe the opposition talent will improve exponentially after Pitt, you're sadly mistaken. The final 4 in the CFP will all be playing out of their minds.

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Nov 25, 2018, 6:30 PM

Point made and plus 1. Some folks see last night as an anomaly but as you eloquently put it this isn’t the first time this season. I would imagine the Saban minions are already planning to put his tight ends into the openings we have generously left for them. Those who see this as “whining complaining grousing etc etc” will watch wide eyed as the much better competition (than has been played against so far, and competition capable of closing the game out) coming in the next few games reaps points on the board due to secondary miscues and missteps. Wanting to be better and improve play and execution is Never “whining blah blah blah”....if so BV is guilty of it every game as he holds players to a high standard and isn’t afraid to verbalize it. It’s what makes him a great coach,...yet when a fan does it it is “whining, blah blah blah”.

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:12 AM

Great post, but I have always felt a bit of weakness in our secondary. I am not sure what was going on last night with our Big D, but what I did like was that Venables was quick to replace the weakness. Quick adjustments were required when we have Gamecock wide receivers running down field wide open. I just hope that we have all the weakness figured out...soon....like real soon. It was a bit sad to know that this game was the last Death Valley game for our Seniors. A win is a win...and I will take it. GO TIGERS!!!!

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:53 PM

You have made a #### of a good case, but our secondary has been suspect all season, and for what ever reason the teams we have played really haven't tried to test our secondary. It may have something to do with the difference in playing against duel threat QB'S that want to get in their yards running the ball, and a pocket passer that has to exploit a teams secondary as Bentley done to us, and the way Cole Stoudt done to Oklahoma.

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:19 AM

Defense made adjustments after the half

SoCar 1st TD of the 2nd half came against the 2nd and 3rd team.

Then after the fumble, Coaches decided to put the 1st team back in halfway through the drive. So Car caught them off guard and scored again.

After the 3rd quarter the game wasn't in doubt. The defense tightened up and good guys went up by 28.

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28 point lead with 12 minutes left in game. Everything....

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:44 AM

after that was the usual late game trash. If we don't lay the ball on the ground with a bad exchange to our 4th RB, then we score again and take one away from them. The "what if" game works both ways.

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21-point-5th-win-in-a-row over your rival to cap an

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:44 AM

undefeated season and some bandwagon fan is in the corner pouting. Give your ticket to someone else next time buddy...



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Nov 25, 2018, 1:34 PM

And acevans will be the first to criticize the Tigers if they lose. A reality check and self criticism can fix many problems. No Tiger fans on this site want to see them lose. Grow up.

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Nov 25, 2018, 7:05 PM

can't take step back and gain some perspective from last night you haven't followed Clemson long enough or you're just a miserable person.

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Shocker, another inane thought from acevans****


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Nov 25, 2018, 9:56 AM

This game may have exposed the greatest "weakness" of the Tigers and that is our secondary. Our defensive line and linebackers are stellar but can't cover the whole field! BV has his work cut out for him getting this fixed and I'm not sold that he can or will. If we make it to the playoffs which we should you can bet that this game will be studied and the team(s) playing us will make every attempt to exploit our weakness which is our secondary. I was banking on another national championship but now I'm not so sure...

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Well...bye.***

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:03 AM

Nothing wrong with our secondary. You are as negative as David Hood. Very disappointed in all the doubters.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:41 AM

Over 500 yards from Jake Bentley makes that statement a little questionable. BV called the performance "embarrassing." If you don't think that we have some issues in the secondary then you have your head in the sand, and those of us that admit I aren't being negative. We are being honest. In some ways, it is better for it to show up this week (although it has been somewhat evident all year) so that Venables can make adjustments. However, those of us, who wish that it was anybody else that had exploited things, are not whining. We know that it was a moral victory for the USuC fans whether it was for the team or not. Best is the standard and best is when we are putting the seniors in for curtain calls, not to ensure the outcome.

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Like a loss?

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:08 AM

Hyperbole I guess... but that is a 3 touchdown win with two turnovers on downs inside the 5.

Thank you anyway... but yours truly is enjoying the fifth WIN in a row.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:10 AM

Oh what a time we live in when a W doesn’t leave us satisfied. I came to Clemson in the Pell era and have seen the roller coaster that was Clemson football. The Dabo age has raised expectations never known in years past. It’s always good to have things to keep us humble but for today CELEBRATE another win and just ENJOY. It’s a great time to be a Tiger

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:21 PM

I became a Clemson fan in the Frank Howard era, and I have been through enough ups and downs to last for more than a life time. I am now a Dabo era spoiled to the core fan, and I'm hoping that's the way it will be for the rest of my life, and if Dabo doesn't leave before he retires, my life will be over before that happens!!!

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:10 AM

TNET has gone the way of click bait. Sad times we live in. If yesterday feels like a loss, there are emotional support dog websites that would be better to read than this article.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

The #1 defense in the nation laid an egg against the bucknuts and it's almost like we said "hold my beer".

We have given up too many of these long, over the top throws where the backs gamble and lose. Muse is going to get hammered in the film room for his misses, Simmons, well, has some soul searching to do today. Hopefully BV can step back, look at the broad view and design some better coverage schemes because we will see this again.

Not panicking though. Lord the offense is scary good.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:23 AM

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled about all of the positive metrics however this wasn’t an acceptable performance for our program. Remember, “best is the standard”. BV used words like “embarrassed” , “pathetic” and “disgusting” about the defensive effort. I’m going to defer to BV.

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It felt like a win to me. If it felt like a loss, get off

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:23 AM

the bus.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:30 AM

If Huegel doesn't miss that fg last night we win by 24, same margin of victory UGA beat them by. It’s a good win for us no matter what they say.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:43 AM

I'll go with what Coach Venables said in that what he calls "layups", were not fundamentally sound. Thats why I'm confident that the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented, just trued up a bit.

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:37 PM

I think that is because we had guys in the secondary not going for layups, and instead trying to power dunk it every play.

We had 2 guys watching the QB hungry for an int when they could of dbl covered Deebo instead and maybe forced a sack.

We had a guys trying to get in front of a thrown ball instead of in position to make contact or even wrap up the WR.

We do that against Alabama and they will carve us up hard.

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Thanks for letting us know beforehand this is

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:50 AM

A TRASH article. Maybe TNet staff would like to be based in Cootlombia instead.

Seriously all those years y'all accused TCI of being hack jobs. Now y'all do it. Lol.

GO TIGERS! BV and Dabo got this. They don't need hacks telling them what they need to do to fix it.

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:14 AM

David --- You have just said what most of the football savvy Clemson fans are saying / thinking today***

At the game last night,I turned to a fan behind me and said wow "" tha' guy from Alabama will be licking his chops,when he watches this film"" _________ was really hoping for an adjustment at halftime,but just got more of the same ??

I guess that is what makes a ""championship team"",__ sometimes the offense has to ""cover the defense"" __ other times it's the opposite**

For now,it's on to the ACC Championship and whoop them Panthers !!!! GO TIGERS !!!!

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and by football savvy

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Nov 25, 2018, 11:31 AM

you mean freaking idiots. You know the guy that sits two rows behind you that does nothing but beotch and moan all game long.

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The win felt like a win to me. 5 in a row***

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I like when a win feels like a tie.

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Because everyone is joyous and no one is unhappy.

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:09 PM

You people truly live in an orange-colored world. The fact of the matter is that our secondary and pass defense has been a question mark since the A&M game and it got exposed/thrashed by a very mediocre offense on Saturday night. If that game didn’t give you reason for concern against the likes of Tua or Murray (or even Book or Haskins) then you are delusional. Venables himself called the performance an “embarrassment”.

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Nov 25, 2018, 4:02 PM

You are correct: The secondary has been a question mark since Texas A&M. It blows my mind that there are so many people commenting that think the observation of reality resulting in a criticism translates into being a "bad" fan. It does not; in fact quite the opposite.

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:23 PM

Only Coots feel like a loss today sooo... this is weak...and lazy

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So...Rod Gardner's catch and the last second FG felt like a loss too?

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:37 PM

Asking for a friend

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Nov 25, 2018, 12:58 PM

We won bottom line. We didn’t give up 62 points. Defense will be fine. Pittsburgh won’t challenge us and then hit the break to get ready for whoever.

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:40 PM

the whoever is almost certainly ND.

The only way thats not the case is Bama loses to GA. I doubt thats happening.

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Just stop. Stop with the feels like a loss crap.

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Nov 25, 2018, 1:42 PM

Our instate rivals are excited about losing by 3 touchdowns? And all in a quiver because there QB threw for 500 yds?

If it feels like a loss to you, then maybe you should re-examine your fandom. For me it's on to the ACC Championship

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THIS IS BOLOGNA! SPOILED STINKING BOLOGNA!!


Nov 25, 2018, 4:29 PM

Coots played with a chip and best they have all year!
Lesson learned for us!!
Like Syracuse 2017, Pitt 2016 AND WE WON!!
But we did what Champions do!
Stop pumping up the Crossdressing Chicken mascot worshippers this Moral victory and giving fuel to the rest of haters!! Goodness

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Nov 25, 2018, 4:55 PM

It's great, we won to make it 5 in a row and i hope it goes 10 or more! But the people at the game can see and what they saw and i saw wasn't pretty. I was lucky enough, as well as, unfortunate enough to be in Miami at the Orange bowl when we played WV. Last night the defense gave up more yards than the past Tiger D gave up against WV in the Orange Bowl. That's something to be proud of. We were fortunate that we had the two 4th down stops at the goal line last night preventing the snowball from growing even bigger.

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Nov 25, 2018, 5:38 PM

dumbest article youve written.

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Nov 25, 2018, 5:56 PM

How spoiled have we become?
I lost my voice last night. #### no it didn’t feel like a loss.
SCar came in with a smart plan and worked it to perfection. We’ll be fine.

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Sounds like Dabo has a reply to Mr. Hood!

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Nov 25, 2018, 6:01 PM

"I've been a part of this rivalry for 16 years. I just want to win by one more point. If it gets to a point where it's not enough, it's time for me to move on somewhere else. I won't ever apologize for a 21-point win over an in-state rival. Ever!

"And you people who suggests that it felt like a loss need to check yourself. For all those people out there who want to complain about five wins in a row and to win by three touchdowns? That's shameful. That's a lack of respect for our program and for our coaches and players. I hope you write that.

"We're a 12-0 football team. We have a senior class who has won 52 games. And we've got people complaining? Give me a break. If 12-0 ain't good enough, it's time to seek other places. Make sure you get that."

Mr. Hood



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Nov 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

Hate to see that this is what TNet has become. Feeding clickbait to the emotionally unstable bandwagon-jumpers with articles quoting "anonymous fans".

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Nov 25, 2018, 6:47 PM

Hood's article is spot on and summarizes what the game felt like behind enemy lines. The most complete Clemson team in a generation somehow made the coots look like a top 5 program. Those of us forced to live in the belly of the cootbeast know that you can't give those people anything to harp on, they never shut up. I am sure a Jake Bentley statue is already in the works.

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a top 5 program that go beat by 21 points?

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Nov 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

give me a BREAK! Who did they look like? Michigan maybe?

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Who are all these Clemson fans "feeling a loss?"

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Nov 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

I enjoyed every second of kickin' their little chickenz rear endz.

The crowd was great, the offense was the best it's been all year, and the dirtpecker defense was less than I could have ever hoped for.

What a great night in Death Valley!

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Nov 25, 2018, 7:06 PM

Spot on David.....Glad we won this game but defense sucked......no other way to put it........Jakie B made our guys look foolish and clueless out there all night long......and Bentley is far from the elete QB he looked to be Saturday night thanks to our defense (or lack thereof) ......,defense put pressure on our offense to score every time in what turned out to be a scoring shootout......at least Brent V admitted he was embarrassed because he should be with this sorry performance.....need to get it fixed and fixed fast......Go Tigers!!!!!!!

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you're absolutely wrong

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Nov 25, 2018, 7:58 PM

The defense got exposed on some key plays. They also stopped the chickens on the goal line when they had 6 tries to get in! You must be the #### he's quoting in this article?!

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what a crap article

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Nov 25, 2018, 7:55 PM

you have to quote the one curmudgeon that is unsatisfied with the win so you can get some clicks going. SHAME

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One question to those who think this felt like a loss...

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Nov 25, 2018, 8:06 PM

Which loss did last night feel most like?

- Loss '#4' to USC in Clemson in 2012 when back up QB Dylan Thompson & USC beat us 27-17 in a game that we were certain was going to end Carolina'a (at the time) 3-game freaky win streak against a superior Clemson team?

- Loss '#5' to USC in Columbia in 2013 when something heretofore inconceivable to Clemson fans became a painful reality -- the fifth loss in a row... to Carolina!!?

- Maybe a more more recent loss -- like the 24-6 loss to Alabama in last year's semi-final?

- Or the record-shattering 70-33 embarrassment in the Miami Orange Bowl in 2012 to WV in what was supposed to be a victorious 30th anniversary of our Orange Bowl victory for the 1981 national championship?

- Any of several gut-wrenching losses to FSU in the B. Bowden era; maybe the 'puntrooskie' game of 1988?

- ANY loss -- EVER????

Come on, folks!!! Yes, there was a lot to be constructively critical of from last night's game. And it stinks that Jake from Flop Farm & crew stung us in a way that will, unfortunately, probably stand in the record books for a long time... BUT LAST NIGHT'S WIN DID NOT FEEL LIKE A LOSS!!

Our boys are 12-0, on track to play -- and win -- another national championship. The embarrassment of 5 losses in a row to the Coots is largely avenged, and prospects look pretty good that our streak will continue to 6 and beyond, disembowling the one tiny semblance of current era football superiority to which USC fans could possibly cling.

Let's keep it in perspective, and always -- ALWAYS -- stand tall, Clemson Tigers.

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Nov 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

I get what David is saying - but - man - this feels like a win to me!! I’ve had that empty, horrible feeling too many times following a loss - and this game definitely did not give me that feeling!! What a difference between a win and a real loss! Get the defense fixed and let’s go all the way Tigers!!

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Reckless Article

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Nov 25, 2018, 9:03 PM

The idea that we should dominate 100-0 every game is ridiculous. Instead of writing some artificial piece about an anonymous fan saying this "felt like a loss", please show some professionalism and write the truth. Only a gambler would say this.

We beat our rival and got five in a row. Yes, USC jr made some plays and exposed the slot. Texas A&M did the same. In both cases, Clemson emerged victorious. That's the point of the game and not to cover the spread.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:18 PM

TigerNet should be ashamed to be a promoter of Clemson football. As Dabo emphatically stated, win by 21 and feels like a loss? Shameful TNet. Horrible story line. Come ‘on guys we aren’t the Coots. We are better than that ######.

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Nov 25, 2018, 10:32 PM

Always liked D. Hood, but this article is a bunch of crap. He owes Dabo and the team an apology. Was the D good, no but they won by 21, easy could have 35 if the refs were not blind. Blind refs would have been a better article. Wallace and Simmons had an off game and Lamar was out. Wallace and Simmons are ballers and have always played well, take them over anybody. Muse out of position couple times but always gives his all. BV will get it straight, didn't realized we played Bama next. By the way their back end of the D is not great, just saying. Dabo got this, I'm all in all the time, love this team win or lose. Get all in or get lost. Go Tiger's!

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Nov 26, 2018, 3:36 AM

Terrible.

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Nov 26, 2018, 5:09 AM

The only people this felt like a loss to was the degenerates that bet money on Clemson and gave the 25 points. To them it was a loss. To the rest of us it was 5 straight wins. If I ever complain about a 21 point victory over our rivals, please shoot me.

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Nov 26, 2018, 7:22 AM

Any of you who are unhappy about winning by "only" 3 TD's, please let us know your seat location. My family would be happy to move closer to the field next season!

Yes, there were some serious holes in the defense this week, but if that had to happen, at least it was in a game where the offense could balance out those points quickly. Bottom line is, we are now 12-0 and just starting the really exciting part of the season.

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Nov 26, 2018, 8:34 AM

Anybody who says that felt like a loss does not remember what it feels like to actually lose to the gamecocks. Spoiled, ridiculous statement.

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David Hood doesn’t speak for me. Very poor article.***

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Odd, the phrase “Don’t shoot the messenger” popped into my

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Nov 26, 2018, 9:08 AM

head last week while doing some chores around the house. And I have always agreed with it in the past.

This time however, I disagree with it - and your article davidhood®.

I’m not saying I question that you probably did hear a fan say that the win felt like a loss. I’ve ALWAYS appreciated your past insights and first person accounts and observations of gameday events, the atmosphere, and etc. I’ve commented positively on a few, saying just that, by the way. However, you chose to include the comment or sentiment of one fan, and indeed titled your article with that comment. Then, you proceeded with an article that was ‘your opinion’ on what the team’s performance was, and what it could portend, or lead to, in the future.

And as far as I can tell, your article is what was mentioned by Head Coach Dabo Swinney, that has him upset. I am not aware of other comments he may have heard, although he does seem to mention others. And then another media member asks “if the fanbase is spoiled (sic)...” adding more fuel to the fire. Maybe I am reading extra into his comments, however, Dabo does seem to be attributing that attitude to the ENTIRE Clemson fanbase. Sure, he may have qualified his statement with “If that’s what some of the fanbase believes”, just the same, everyone who loves and lives Clemson sports will take his comments personally.

And while Dabo does not define - and nor will his departure end - MY love and devotion to my Alma Mater, his threat of leaving because of a minority of fans, whether they be disgruntled, spoiled, or even ‘pseudo’ fans DOES bother me. And for the part your article - your opinion - has played in causing Dabo to threaten, even double down on it, to go elsewhere, then you weren’t just a messenger - it was you who are also respondible for the message.

Just my thoughts, my friend. Life - and Clemson - will go on, but I for one, think this was not one of your better efforts or attempts in covering our Clemson Tigers.

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David Hood is simply reporting on a point of view

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Nov 26, 2018, 9:40 AM

from a segment of our fanbase. Certainly a smaller segment, but still is an interesting article delving into that thought process.

Most of you bashing him are stuck on the title of this article being 'felt like a loss', but that is exactly what it will be against Bama (or possibly ND) if the D doesn't get corrected. A FACT that our program is elite now, with MUCH bigger goals that just beating the in-state rival. Not everyone alum grew up in SC so the rivalry is not the main focal point of the season.

His next article will probably be nothing but positive points heading into the Pitt game. Jeeeez! Cut the guy a break. THAT is laziness - just hurling venom at the messenger.

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Nov 26, 2018, 10:00 AM

Careful pk....you speak the truth but the truth is not well received by many. The snow is deep.

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Nov 26, 2018, 2:42 PM

So, dhood can express his opinion, citing comments of one fan out of 80,000 +/-, but I’m being lazy when I express my opinion in direct response to his entire article?

Nice.

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Nov 26, 2018, 10:39 AM

I am very disappointed in Clemson fans who have become spoiled and expect a team who has played their hearts out this year to be perfect every week. This was not a loss, it was a win even with adversity. Our guys had a down night in the backfield but I know these young men will learn from this. Are we going to complain about everything????? Be thankful we did not lose instead of being upset about a 21 point win. Fans, we are 12 & 0 take it and get ready for the next game. Don't bring your team down. How many teams in America can say they are 12 and 0. Only 4 teams that I can think of right now. Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame and UCF. There may be other teams that are smaller colleges but there are very few. Lets be grateful and believe in our guys. I believe in my Tigers!!!

Tigers lets be ready for Pittsburg. Go Tigers, preparation = separation from the next team. Go Tigers BE = BELIEVE & EXECUTE...LETS BRING THE ACC CHAMPIONSHIP HOME TO CLEMSON. Offense, defensive, defensive backs, special teams be ready. Prepare, prepare, prepare!!! Watch those films on Pittsburg. Go Tigers!!!

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Nov 26, 2018, 8:01 PM

I've seen a LOT of chatter about this issue. This is such a moot point. To those thinking of this win as a loss, shame on you. Who told you the Tigers were perfect? That they never make mistakes? That SEC refs know what they are talking about? ####, really Tiger "fans"? For those saying this BS and grading the Tigers on their performance Saturday night, you are NOT fans, you are bandwagon.
Fans are there through thick and thin, we see the tradgedy and the triumphs, but we NEVER, EVER talk #### about our own team! If you say you're All In, that you are Tiger loyal, that your blood runneth orange, then stand behind it or go cheer on a school and a team that doesn't care about talking out of both sides of your mouth. Commit or get the #### out.

I for one want Dabo to know that my family, getting ready to be 5th generation Tiger loyal to Clemson, would never ever say that ANY win was like a loss. They may have not played their best game, but they played hard, they kept their eye on the prize, and ######, they won, by 21, yes 21 POINTS. Not a squeaker, not a hail Mary, 3 FULL TDs.

I do have to say, as an aside, Venebles should not have said he was disgusted and embarrassed by the defense. Those are strong words to use about the work HE does and the buck stops with HIM.

So, anyone reading this, unless you can coach or play it better than the ones currently on the job, you really DO need to check yourselves.

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When a win feels like a loss: Tigers show there is still work to be done

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A ring for the thumb over the SCjr. program is great! The title of your article is circus lemonade.

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