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Was the portal the biggest reason for Brownells
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Turning the corner? It helped. This is not a negative post or meant to go that way about Brownell. Our basketball history is sad. We recruit against the blue bloods of college basketball and we often would find a diamond. We have had how many 5 stars? Milton Jennings doesn’t count lol. Seriously though, Brownell has made the difference by putting together our teams like a perfect puzzle.
I do think the ACC is the worst it has been in my lifetime. Even if it is, you still cannot diminish what this team has done the last two years. This is the best team I think we have had. I know we had a few over the years, but this one has players that can score and pass. We don’t lose a lot when we sub out our starters. There is still somebody who can score.
Elite 8 again is my early prediction, hope for better than that. Go Tigers!!
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Thats a slippery slope
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Mar 4, 2025, 8:26 AM
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While I think the portal has certainly helped CBB, I also hesitate to admit that publicly. The reason being, it could easily be construed as CBB needed a rules change in order to be an effective leader. This reminds me of when Saban attempted to ban the HUNH because he struggled against it. I’ll just leave it as CBB is a good coach, who I have openly supported through the years, and will continue to support.
Thank you.
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Mar 4, 2025, 8:34 AM
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PJ Hall was given $500K to return for his final season. Joe Girard was given $400 to transfer here. So yes the portal and NIL is the biggest reason for him turning the corner.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:08 AM
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True, now we are on a much more level playing field. Instead of not paying recruits and competing with schools that illegally paid recruits, now we can all pay recruits. We would have had zion if we could have illegally matched duke's offer.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:20 AM
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LOL, funny you mention that. I was thinking about the Zion situation when I made that post.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:50 AM
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It’s not like the other schools couldn’t have given PJ $550k and Girard $400k. The leveling came when schools that wouldn’t cheat now had the ability to match what the cheaters were already doing. Brownell isn’t no Tates Locke
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It was easy to spot b-ball players in their Monte Carlos back in the day***
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Hard to say, the ACC is so freaking bad, how would they stack up vs a legit conf
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The post season this year will be telling.
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Re: Was the portal the biggest reason for Brownells
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Mar 4, 2025, 8:54 AM
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Clemson’s basketball history is not “sad”… let’s be fair here.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:20 AM
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overall it is sad when you look at out conference records--we have had some very good seasons but One regular season championship and NO conference championships is sad---We had some success with various coaches and Brownell is trending upward.
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Mar 4, 2025, 12:54 PM
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Row86. You know I respect you and your posts, but it is sad when the Coots have one more conference championship in football than we do in basketball. I see that trending towards us if we keep momentum and stay near the top. Kids that we recruit will think Clemson is good because that’s the history they know.
Used to make me chuckle when I read football recruits talking about how we been good their whole life. Thank God the Tommy West and Ken Hatfield days were before they were born haha
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Fair enough.
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Okay…if we’re simply looking at trophy cases, then yes ours is kind of coot-esque. lol
But we’ve had some pretty fun times over the years, and I guess I just appreciate that.
I was a kid during the Cliff Ellis years…and then a young adult as we got to Barnes and Purnell. (I’ll leave Shyatt out…yikes)
So it was always just a given that we were punching up at Duke and UNC.
And anytime we could at least be competitive felt good.
I do appreciate the season we’re having now.
And the run last year was fun.
But the fact is…the ACC doesn’t have the same feel as it used to.
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Three years
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Mar 4, 2025, 8:54 AM
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won 24 games two years ago.
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Re: Three years
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It was a good season, but I’m glad we’ve made OOC schedule adjustments to ensure a better resume. We have done a better job at winning the Quad 3/Quad 4 games. Love seeing the positive trajectory.
See how nicely I respnded to that. We don’t have to be miserable and angry, we choose to. 🙂
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Mar 4, 2025, 8:59 AM
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It helped. Getting more money to hire better assistants also played a part in the team's success. Coach(es)/players/support--all are a part of the success.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:17 AM
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Recruiting was improving with Aamir Simms, John Newman III and Hunter Tyson. This felt like the corner was being turned. Win at UNC was big with these guys.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:00 AM
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I think the facilities upgrade helped recruits feel that Clemson was seriously supporting basketball. Everyone could offer NIL. Go tigers!
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:09 AM
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Good post. But I wish we'd get off this kick of using our history as an excuse as to why Brad couldn't win. Same with the other excuses.
We had some darn good teams in the 70s and 80s but the acc was the best we've seen. It wasn't propped up by tv ratings like b1g and sec is now. We would have made some deep runs if we had 68 teams getting in like today.
Seriously, a lot of the good kids were City kids, and Clemson really was in the boonies then. Was isolated and there was no social media. So yes, I think it's more like the perfect storm where all the ingredients have come together. Namely nil and free trading in the portal. If Brad was a super great coach, he would have had us winning in 2012, or 2014 etc.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:25 AM
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We also used to cheat to get recruits. PARTY AT THE Y BARN!!!
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I don't think anyone wants to use history as an excuse.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:45 AM
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But history matters. It certainly isn't the only thing, but if you are known as a bad program, you better have a lot to offer that overshadows that perception.
This is why some of us harped on our outdated facilities, poor basketball funding, mediocre crowd support, etc. for so long. We needed to not only do those things as well as many of our competitors, but do them better than others so that we could show recruits that things are different now.
Lo and behold, look at us now that we have a real commitment by the athletic department to fund basketball better, to continue with facility upgrades, to provide the budget needed for coaches and staff, and to show the world that we aren't just a football school, but also a school that cares about basketball.
Recruits notice these things. It is why Wake Forest can have a really good football coach but isn't going to have an elite program until they can devote more resources to football in order to offset the very real perception that football isn't very important there.
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Good post. But I wish we'd get off this kick of using our history as an excuse as to why Brad couldn't win. Same with the other excuses.
We had some darn good teams in the 70s and 80s but the acc was the best we've seen. It wasn't propped up by tv ratings like b1g and sec is now. We would have made some deep runs if we had 68 teams getting in like today.
he would have had us winning in 2012, or 2014 etc.
Rick Barnes was a super great coach. He was able to mold a really good team out of a slab five. On the other hand, he was never a long term solution as he was looking for a better offer from the jump. CBB is a great coach for stability and building a program but not a quick fix guy. He was a value hire who came in at a time where our facilities were in severe decline. In 2012, the pieces were not in place for a coach like CBB to be successful. Once provided the resources, we are seeing the result.
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:10 AM
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The portal didnt start u til 2018. We went to the sweet 16 in 2016.
We were getting transfers, but the portal didnt exist. Brownell was ahead of the game prior to the portal's inception.
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******2017-2018 season. Editing a post isn't working on my phone.
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I will simply say Lahkin & Jaden Zackery
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:46 AM
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are a couple of instrumental pieces in the success of Clemson basketball in 2024/2025.
The portal, if used effectively, is a great source for improvement. Clemson also has a ton of experience on the floor, and as you can see it makes a difference when guys play together and get to know each other. Lahkin & Zackery have meshed into the system as perfectly has could be expected.
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My only concern with the 1 year rentals is that a miss due to fit/injury/misevaluation could be crippling.
Look at NC State this year.
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Agree, if you miss on portal it cripples that season
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Mar 4, 2025, 10:47 AM
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and can hinder the program in the long run. Prefer the old school recruiting, and maybe now with success we can begin to build a stronger recruiting base for top players.
All depends on how much program can and is willing to spend to get them.
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Allowing transfers instant eligibility now has definitely been a positive
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:56 AM
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development for Brad's roster management. With such high HS recruit turnover this has always been a tool for him - now though we're not having to wait a year, so we've bridged that gap in a way.
I would also say that Brad has simply improved overall in his in-game personnel management and game flow. We're a little quicker on TO's when momentum starts to swing, and he seems more comfortable with substitutions and striking while the iron is hot. Overall I'd say his confidence is much higher these past few years - he seems more assertive and has an extra edge. After the embarrassing BC game performance in last year's ACCT, he was pretty ticked off and was much more curt and deliberate during press outings from there through our Elite 8 run. It was like a dark side got activated (Dark Bradley), a not give a rip attitude that has really helped us turn the corner since.
After listening to last night's interview with the Hunter brothers, I also get a sense that the two of them, their skill and dedication, joy, plus true love of the game, has helped Brownell tap into a better version of himself. Six years with Chase and another 3 with Dillon has had a great impact.
Go Tigers! Go Brad!
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We've also recruited better.
You could say it's improved facilities, but we can also pay players now and success does build upon itself.
Del Jones is much more productive than our typical freshman, Buckner and McIntyre excepted.
I also doubt Lahkin and Zachary come here if we don't make the NCAA tournament.
Players want to get paid but they also want to be somewhere they can win.
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I think it's a combination of things
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1 - CBBs use of the transfer portal and NIL
2 - A renewed commitment by the AD (e.g., increased funding, facility upgrades, etc.)
3 - The steady decline of ACC basketball.
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Agreed, and I would add the following:
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Our success recently isn't simply because we have dominated most of the ACC. It is also because we have shown an ability to beat top programs such as Duke, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, etc.
We aren't a paper tiger, we are a really good program.
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Re: Agreed, and I would add the following:
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I think our scoring is more consistent. One of the things that hurt us was personnel and performance. If certain players needed rest or got into foul trouble, then there was not people who could score. Every player can score now. Exciting to see!
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